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CZM: The SXM Of Mexico?  
User currently offlineTony Lu From China, joined Sep 2000, 534 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Came across this pic:

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Why aren't there any pictures of approaches to CZM? Mexicana used to fly their 727 there, and that would look great landing at CZM. How low do the jets go? I'm assuming not as low as SXM, but judging from the pic, CZM is the closet thing to SXM I've seen. What planes fly to CZM these days? And Is that a public beach on the end too?

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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

Well I read somewhere that AE was going to have ATR-72 service from MIA to CZM.

Hope thats helps  Smile



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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3243 posts, RR: 45
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

American and Continental both fly there using the 737.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 2):
American and Continental both fly there using the 737.

I'm sure Frontier, Sun Country, and US also fly there. Unfortunately Cancun stills the show.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7502 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

Northwest also serves CZM seasonally.


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7523 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

I believe MX does MEX-CZM with A320's.


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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

I'm not sure but I think the planes land lower at ACE then they do at CZM.


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I've been to both SXM and ACE and the planes definitely land lower at SXM. Can't think of any were else were they land so low, except for maybe JSI.


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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3243 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 3):
Unfortunately Cancun stills the show.

Unfortunately?! Whadda ya mean unfortunately? Viva Cancun!

Quite honestly, though, If CZM grew to the size of CUN, it would completely ruin what CZM has going for it, the privacy. As long as CZM stays small, it's doing what it should be doing.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24631 posts, RR: 86
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2293 times:
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Quoting Juventus (Reply 3):
I'm sure Frontier, Sun Country, and US also fly there.

Frontier has Saturday service DEN-CZM until November 17:

http://www.frontierairlines.com:80/f...tes-timetables/mexico-timetable.do

Then it becomes 3 x weekly - Wednesday, Saturday, Sunday - all with A319.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineMason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 748 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

In your photo of the runway 11 approach at CZM, the runway looks much closer to the beach then it is. I would guess aircraft cross that beach no lower than 500 feet. This is the case with MANY airports near water, perimeter roads, etc. What makes SXM unique is often, aircraft cross the beach at less than 100 feet. I know of few airports where heavies cross the threshold this low. The threshold is essentially on the beach at SXM, whereas at CZM, it looks like about .25 miles to the displaced threshold. Still, neat to watch approaches from any beach.

User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

It is absolutely a shame that Aerocaribe (now Click Mexicana) have stopped flying the air shuttle CUN-CZM. During a time they had up to 10 flights a day on each way and it was exciting to enjoy the slow and low approaches to runway 11.

For those who visit the area, go to Playa del Carmen's airstrip (the town on mainland from which the ferry boats depart to Cozumel) and pay the little extra for the air ride to Cozumel. AeroSaab offers the service during day time, the flight is a bit shorter than 10 minutes (another record for you) and the experience and sightseeing are absolutely glorious.

These are some of the carriers that operate in CZM:

AeroMexico (charter flights)
American
Continental
Frontier
Mexicana/Click Mexicana
Northwest
Sun Country
USAirways

RM  Smile



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User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

That house you see at the end/beginning of the runway belongs to the President of Mexico, I believe. His wife usually spends time there and there is a gunboat offshore to keep things sweet. I also think that there is an air force base on the left hand side of the picture. So taking pics or loitering at the end of this runway may be problematic?

User currently offlineSJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

I was just in Cancun and Playa del Carmen. the airstrip in Playa was pretty funny looking. the road that we drove on went right past it. One airline had 4 what i thought were LET 410's. 2 were seriously missing parts and damaged on one side of the road, and the other two looked ok on the other side of the road where the runway was. There were a jumble of messed up planes and flyable planes also.


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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5197 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

It could be, problem is, we DON'T HAVE HEAVIES.... I'll probably be back by December 06... I'll try to do some SXM shots!!!

g77 APM



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 1):
Well I read somewhere that AE was going to have ATR-72 service from MIA to CZM.

Starts 16Dec06.



a.
User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1774 times:

Whats up with the airport on your way to Chitzinitza. The taxi driver said it was not very old but never used cause of Politics. I hope someone can give us some more info

User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1686 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 13):
It could be, problem is, we DON'T HAVE HEAVIES....

First Choice fly there with B767-300's, fortnightly from Manchester (from Gatwick next summer).

Judging by that picture at the top, I'm sure there are many airports with lower or similar approaches over a beach, especially given that Cozumel has a displaced threshold, so aircraft will approach higher than at say, SXM, where there isn't one.


User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 16):
Cozumel has a displaced threshold, so aircraft will approach higher than at say, SXM, where there isn't one.

Reason for the displaced threshold are the large and very tall cruise ships in the bay. I wonder what kind of special design do they have according to the criteria of ICAO's PANS OPS or FAA's TERPS.

RMarin  Smile



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User currently offlineBelizexp From Belize, joined Dec 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1526 times:

Quoting Fly727 (Reply 10):
These are some of the carriers that operate in CZM:

Don't forget Delta too.



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