This is the reason people don't understand our position. People type before they think things through. It is painfully obvious that there are a lot of people out there who truly don't know the whole story. If they did we would have a lot more backing of our situation.
How long do think it will take for TVNWZ to rear his head to attack me??? Oh well if it makes him feel better..
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6953 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3484 times:
Quoting NWDC10 (Reply 1): But the future doesn't look too bright for the airline industry. Very serious here. Robert NWDC10
Uh? The future of the airline industry is bright, not only in the US but all over the World. More people than ever are flying that number will only continue to rise. Don't generalize the overall state of the airline industry base on a few mismanaged airlines and their greedy unions. You will find very well managed airlines all over the World that are profitable even with oil at $70 a barrel.
MattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 11 Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3462 times:
Quoting 1rocco (Reply 15): This is the reason people don't understand our position.
I believe I actually read that comment on here, that the imposition of TA1 had something to do with the profit. Obviously, my mistake.
Quoting 1rocco (Reply 15): It is painfully obvious that there are a lot of people out there who truly don't know the whole story. If they did we would have a lot more backing of our situation.
Here's what the public see: The NWAFAs have been through two contract negotiations and two unions in the past few months. We see absolutely no progress and a union membership that can't get its act together. We see a union group calling for a strike that would most likely lead to their employers liquidation and the termination of thousands of their fellow employees who have taken cuts.
We don't care about your situation. All we want to know is that our flight from DTW to AVL will be there for us and available. We see a union (NOT corporate) endangering that. We are unsympathetic because most of us have seen cutbacks, layoffs, outsourcing and pinks slips up the ying yang in the past few years. We've all taken our shots, had more work piled on for less pay and have endured it too. Some of us have remained on those jobs, others have left. If you don't like it, quit and go elsewhere. You are not chained to your job. We don't care for your sabre-rattling, nor do we care that junior FAs qualify for foodstamps. We don't see you as essential. We don't see you as highly qualified. We just expect you to be there when we're thirsty or hungry or need a blanket and pillow. Yours is not a glamourous job and we do not hold your position in high regard. You're a McEmployee at FL350. Being an FA is not a career anymore. Again, if you don't like it, go elsewhere - we just want to get home.
Aviation is proof that given, the will, we have the capacity to achieve the impossible.
ASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 911 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3148 times:
Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 19): This is not going to sit well with the F/A's but, what they gave up is what helped get that profit
NO, it didn't. That profit was profit for JULY - TA1 was implemented in AUGUST. How hard is that to figure out. Now, if you're talking about the previous cuts, perhaps. FA's aren't against cuts, they are against the magnitude of the cuts that management is imposing.
Floridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1988 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3113 times:
Quoting MattRB (Reply 11): The FA's had their chance. They rejected the contracts put forth and got the harsh deal they could've avoided. Part of that profit is because of that contract that was imposed.
Wow! Nothing like caring only about numbers and not people. That's a little harsh considering this is their livelihood we're talking about. You don't see Doug Steenland lining up to let the EMPLOYEES take a whack at his pay.
UsAirways16bwi From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1003 posts, RR: 4 Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3039 times:
Hmm... sounds familiar...anyone recognize this?... Anyway..... NW (even though ive never flown NW) is a very good airline, judging by what i hear from people who have flown them several times. Of course every airline will get negative reactions from some people, but for the most part, the reactions i hear are good. US was in way worse shape a while ago, yet they recently had a huge profit, opened new routes, and ordered more planes. Of course i was very happy to see my airline rise up, almost, from the grave. I think NW can and will pull through.
there are a few thgings i think NW should do. First off, do they have any aircraft on order? If they do, maybe postponing the orders until they get things straight. Also, adding frequencies to most profitable routes, and pulling planes off less profitable ones might help more. And i know the whole DC-9 issue is kindof a contraversy, but they have worked their tailcones off for NW for many years, and i believe they can continue that for a while. Ordering new planes to replace them would be nice, but i dont think they are in the shape to be doing all that yet. I mean, CR9s in NW colors would looke cool as hell, but its just a little too soon. Yea they posted a profit, but you never know, things could go downhill again. If that be the case, downsizing at MEM a little could be a viable option. MSP and DTW would do just fine, for the time being. These are just a few things that could help them out.
Once again, a few of my suggestions might sound somewhat familiar..*cough* USairways.*cough* But hey, if it worked for US, it wouldnt hurt to try the same thing.
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6953 posts, RR: 7 Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2976 times:
Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 21): Wow! Nothing like caring only about numbers and not people. That's a little harsh considering this is their livelihood we're talking about.
Who cares. We have all gone through the same thing in our careers at one point or another. My own company is currently outsourcing 10,000 IT jobs to India. As MattRB says, the flying public doesn't give a rat's ass about the flight attendant's problems. We just want to get home, for the cheapest price.