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User currently offlineRobbie86 From Sweden, joined May 2006, 526 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2637 times:

Madrid, September 1st, 2006.

From the 29th of October Spanair will be starting five new routes in the domestic market, connecting the city of Madrid with Granada, San Sebastián and Almería, as well as Barcelona with Valencia and Granada.

The launch of this expansion plan, designed and directed at the business sector, will allow the Company to move from controlling 25% of the market to 40% in three years, reducing prices on these routes by around 50% and contributing to market growth of more than 75%.

With these new destinations, Spanair will carry over 400,000 extra passengers in 2007, offering a multi-frequency product with exceptional return flight times.

MADRID-GRANADA: First departure time from MAD (07.00)/6 flights daily
BARCELONA-GRANADA: First departure time from BCN (10.00)/4 flights daily
MADRID-ALMERÍA: First departure time from MAD (07.00)/6 flights daily
BARCELONA-VALENCIA: First departure time from BCN (07.15)/6 flights daily
MADRID-SAN SEBASTIÁN: First departure time from MAD (01.15)/4 flights daily


source: sasgroup.net


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User currently offlineAutoThrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

How want they archieve this with their existing fleet? Will they buy new planes for their expansion plans ?


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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3505 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 1):
How want they archieve this with their existing fleet? Will they buy new planes for their expansion plans ?

Perhaps they will get some drops from SAS fleet like it happened before?


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4914 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

With Easyjet expected to start internal Spanish flights, and possibly FR in the future, plus expansion by other Spanish airlines such as Vueling, its certainly going to get very crowded in the Spanish domestic market


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User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 573 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

On the Madrid-Granada, Madrid-Almeria and Madrid-San Sebatian routes we had an Iberia and/or Air Nostrum monopoly, probably Spanair will succeed with these new flights (using MD82 aircraft).

On the Barcelona-Granada and Barcelona-Valencia routes Vueling is the additional carrier (besides Iberia/Air Nostrum) with a daily flight. These new Spanair flights from Barcelona will be operated with Aebal's Boeing 717.


User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

Are 4 717's from Aebal enough for all those flights they operate for Spanair?

User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2067 times:

This is the tipical day next winter (mid week) Spanair domestic departures from MAD:

La Coruna 4 daily
Alicante 4 daily
Almeria 3 daily
Asturias 3 daily
Barcelona 26 daily
Bilbao 8 daily
Fuerteventura 1 daily
Las Palmas 5 daily
Lanzarote 1 daily
Granada 3 daily
La Palma 1 daily
Ibiza 2 daily
Jerez 4 daily
Malaga 7 daily
Menorca 1 daily
Palma De Mallorca 6 daily
San Sebastia 2 daily
Santiago Compostela 2 daily
Tenerife Sur 1 daily
Tenerife Norte 4 daily
Valencia 6 daily
Vigo 3 daily


User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2067 times:

And this is the tipical day next winter (mid week) Spanair domestic departures from BCN:

La Coruna 2 daily
Alicante 4 daily
Asturias 2 daily
Bilbao 4 daily
Las Palmas 1 daily
Granada 2 daily
Ibiza 2 daily
Malaga 5 daily
Madrid 26 daily
Menorca 1 daily
Palma De Majorca 7 daily
Santiago Compostela 1 daily
Siviglia 4 daily
Tenerife Norte 1 daily
Valencia 3 daily
Vigo 2 daily


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 3):
its certainly going to get very crowded in the Spanish domestic market

It already is. Spanair, Air Europa, Vueling, Iberia and Air Nostrum are all pretty busy on the domestic flights, and then you have Hapagfly, Air Berlin, Flightline, Iberworld, Futura, Air Madrid and Air Plus Comet operating various different domestic flights. Many of which offer pretty decent fares. Also, Spain has a reasonably good inter-city rail network, which airlines have to compete with. I believe the MAD-BCN route already has around 80 flights in each direction per day.


User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 45
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the MD-80 was too big to fly into San Sebastian?


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User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

San Sebastian runway:

04/22
1754 x 45 meters


User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2015 times:

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 9):
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the MD-80 was too big to fly into San Sebastian?

They could fly there with the Fokker 100 they wet leased from GirJet.


User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 573 posts, RR: 39
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Quoting 717fan (Reply 5):
Are 4 717's from Aebal enough for all those flights they operate for Spanair?

The 4 Aebal's Boeing 717 are based in Barcelona and used for these destinations, including the new winter destinations (ex BCN):

Alicante, Granada, Malaga, Menorca, Palma de Mallorca, Santiago de Compostela, Sevilla, Tenerife Norte, Valencia and Zurich.


User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1873 times:
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Quoting Capital146 (Reply 9):
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the MD-80 was too big to fly into San Sebastian?

Iberia used to fly there, in the past, with 727 equipment. I don't think is too big...

Quoting Robbie86 (Thread starter):
MADRID-GRANADA: First departure time from MAD (07.00)/6 flights daily
BARCELONA-GRANADA: First departure time from BCN (10.00)/4 flights daily
MADRID-ALMERÍA: First departure time from MAD (07.00)/6 flights daily
BARCELONA-VALENCIA: First departure time from BCN (07.15)/6 flights daily
MADRID-SAN SEBASTIÁN: First departure time from MAD (01.15)/4 flights daily

Great mistake of Spanair...

- Granada is served by Iberia, Vueling an now Spanair.
- Valencia... only far 350 Kms. Served six times daily with high-speed trains, with DH3's, CRJ's and AT7's and one M87 operated by Iberia and its partner Air Nostrum and now Spanair...



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User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 573 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1837 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 13):
- Granada is served by Iberia, Vueling an now Spanair.
- Valencia... only far 350 Kms. Served six times daily with high-speed trains, with DH3's, CRJ's and AT7's and one M87 operated by Iberia and its partner Air Nostrum and now Spanair...

That's for the Barcelona routes. Yes I thought the same, especially regarding the BCN-VLC flights, with the Euromed high-speed trains between both cities and the Air Nostrum service as strong competitors.

And I'm wondering if there's enough demand on the Barcelona-Granada route.

On the other hand, there's a lack of competence on the new Madrid routes, and there are no high-speed trains for Almeria, San Sebastian and Granada. As I said above, these will probably succeed.


User currently offlineBBADXB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1800 times:

I really loved Spanair when I flew them last February for the first time. Cabin crew were extremely nice and corteous, just like the ground staff, and the cockpit crew allowed me into the flight deck after the aircraft landed in BCN and pax got off. I really appreciated it and wish them lots and lots of luck.

I think that there is room enough for all the airlines in Spain. Remember that Spain is after all one of the few euro economies that is in a boom mode  Smile

When you want, we'll fly! spanair  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1772 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 13):
Iberia used to fly there, in the past, with 727 equipment. I don't think is too big...

Iberia currently flies a daily A319 flight to San Sebastian so I don't think an MD-82 would be much of a problem.



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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1708 times:

When will the expand more outside of Spain? How is their Malabo and Dublin routes going?

User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1697 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 17):
When will the expand more outside of Spain?

They operate a lot of charter flights to destinations outside of Spain, dominantly the UK, Ireland and Germany. I believe they also have many scheduled flights to Scandinavia.


User currently offlineSukhoi From Sweden, joined May 2006, 373 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1668 times:

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 18):
I believe they also have many scheduled flights to Scandinavia.

Spanair flies from Alicante, Barcelona, Malaga, Madrid and Palma de Mallorca to Copenhagen and Stockholm.


User currently offlineThowman From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 363 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1617 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 16):
Iberia currently flies a daily A319 flight to San Sebastian so I don't think an MD-82 would be much of a problem.

Currently an A319 operates the morning flight and an MD82 the evening return flight to Madrid. The rest are ATRs and Dash 8. I have flown out of there on an MD82, so it's certainly permitted.


User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1320 times:

I have heard a rumor that Aebal wants more 717's (ex Jetstar and OA possible) to expand its operations...but I believe when I see it....(this subject was rumored quiet a lot of times in the past years, but lets hope that this time it will be true)

User currently offlineAerodog From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1119 times:

Quoting BBADXB (Reply 15):
I really loved Spanair when I flew them last February for the first time.

I felt the same way after my first Spanair flight in April.


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