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User currently offlineF.pier From Italy, joined Aug 2000, 1524 posts, RR: 9
Posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 20352 times:

In Mashhad an airplane in burning. Atl least 60 casualties

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User currently offlineBa757gla From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 20352 times:

any aircraft details?

User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2597 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 20323 times:

Terrible news. Thoughts with all involved and families.

airevents.de are over there on a tour at the moment to fly the Saha B707 and a few other classics. Lets hope they are safe. Lets also hope from an enthusiasts' pont of view that we have also not lost another Saha B707.


User currently offlineYirina77 From Czech Republic, joined Aug 2006, 632 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 20243 times:

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 2):
Lets also hope from an enthusiasts' pont of view that we have also not lost another Saha B707.

I hope so. I have fly with B 707 Saha EP-SHE 4 months before crashed...
No news on Irna yet about accident..



One day can make your life; one day can ruin your life. All life is four or five big days that change everything...
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 20174 times:

The plane (which is still unknown) was flying Bandar Abbas in Southern Iran.

At least 60 people have lost their lifes, and up to 80 people managed to escape!

Are there direct flights from BadarAbbas to Mashhad, I thought all were via the capital Tehran?

Rob!   

[Edited 2006-09-01 14:00:23]

User currently offlineYirina77 From Czech Republic, joined Aug 2006, 632 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 20174 times:

Czech news say 80 rescued pax...


One day can make your life; one day can ruin your life. All life is four or five big days that change everything...
User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3247 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 20099 times:

BBC picked it up.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5305750.stm

Tony



Nikon: we don't want more pixels, we want better pixels.
User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4353 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 20099 times:

http://www.airevents.de/product_info.php?products_id=63
Oh !! Airevents is planning the 707 flight to Masshad today ! Let's all hope they are not involved. Two friends of mine joined the tour, and some airliners.net members. I didn't go because I went to Iran on my own already and flew the 707.



nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5260 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 20017 times:

IRNA :

Iran-Plane-Crash
Plane crash in Mashhad in northeastern Razavi Khorassan Province on Friday left 80 dead.

State TV said on Friday that the Russian-made Tupolev, on route from the southern port city of Bandar Abbas (Hormuzgan Province) to Mashhad, caught fire upon landing as its tyre burst into flames.

Some of the passengers, said to be 140, however, survived the incident, according to the TV report.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7088 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 19931 times:

Spiegel Online reports it is a Tupolev and that about 80 people got out safe - that is at least some good news.

[Edited 2006-09-01 14:07:03]


It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2597 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 19931 times:

It was a Tupolev arriving in Mashad from Bandar Abbas - I guess that means the guys on the airevents.de trip are safe.

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4353 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 19931 times:

Airevents flies the 707 today Tehran-Masshad and the Tu-154 out tomorrow to Shiraz instead, hope they didn't change the schedule. I can imagine this can spoil the trip but could have been worse for them.
RIP to the people on board.



nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9676 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 19753 times:

Accoridng to the OAG there is a flight on day 5 with T54 , carrier is B9 which is Iran Air Tours


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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5260 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 19671 times:

Flight most likely was B9 945:

BND Bandar Abbas B9 945 Iran Air Tours 10:45 AM 12:45 PM Unknown


User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 19488 times:

The CNN link...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/09/01/iran.plane.ap/index.html



Crye me a river
User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 19488 times:

Confirmed, Tupolev-154.. it scares me when i see how much incidenst involving TU-154 are appearing lately..

Since iran air tours only operates one Tu-154 (if i remember correctly) this should be the plane:



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Photo © Shary(Shahram)



[Edited 2006-09-01 14:29:16]

User currently offlineLPLAspotter From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 19380 times:

you corrected the picture before my comment hit the thread. You have better luck than I do. Thanks for the pic.

LPLAspotter

[Edited 2006-09-01 14:33:39]


Nuke the Gay Wales for Christ
User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6365 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 19325 times:

Yikes, the rule of threes seems to hit again...bless the families of those lost, this is horrible news! But thankfully a good number of the people were able to escape, that's at least some good news in all of this! That TU-154 sure is a work horse, and it always surprises me when an accident is in that type of a/c.

User currently offlineDeC From Greece, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 19157 times:

Woah, what's wrong with August every year?  Sad


DEC
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17118 posts, RR: 66
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 19034 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 15):
Confirmed, Tupolev-154.. it scares me when i see how much incidenst involving TU-154 are appearing lately..



Quoting SW733 (Reply 17):
That TU-154 sure is a work horse, and it always surprises me when an accident is in that type of a/c.

NOTE: These comments are in general and not specific to this accident.

The reasons for the Tu-154 seeming to be accident prone are not really related to the aircraft itself, but:
- Many frames flown by second tier airlines with less than perfect operational and maintenance procedures.
- Many frames flown in airspace with less than perfect operational procedures.
- Many frames operated at airports with less than perfect operational procedures.
- There are quite a few Tu-154s about.

Quoting DeC (Reply 19):
Woah, what's wrong with August every year?

Statistical fluke. That's all.

Also it's September today.

[Edited 2006-09-01 15:01:45]

[Edited 2006-09-01 15:02:57]

[Edited 2006-09-01 15:08:46]


"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1845 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 18879 times:

Quoting DeC (Reply 18):
Woah, what's wrong with August every year?

I was thinking the same thing... esp after last summer's tragedies  Sad



Someday the sun will shine down on me in some faraway place - Mahalia Jackson
User currently offlineBoeingOnFinal From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 18752 times:

I just saw a report on BBC, And the registration shows that it is this very aircraft that caught fire:


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Photo © Shary(Shahram)




norwegianpilot.blogspot.com
User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7754 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18605 times:

Boeingonfinal

As confirmed on the CNN link.


User currently offlineJoffie From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 814 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18553 times:

EP-MCF Seems to be the plane. The picture has been posted above

CNN now has an image of the jet sitting on the runway.


User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18553 times:

Ohh, this is such a shame!

I have a picture of the aircraft crashed, thanks to BBC:



I think this is a tragic coincidence. Nothing more, just a coincidence and terrible shame that 2 crash within 2 weeks of each other.

Thanks
Mike

EDIT: Just seen the news, apparently 80 dead and 60 escaped. Such a shame. RIP  Sad

[Edited 2006-09-01 15:32:12]

25 RJ100 : According to a German forum the airevent-group is safe and now sitting in Tehran. All flights in Iran currently cancelled. Regards, RJ100
26 Starlionblue : This is such a classic. With practically no information the authorities make a massive kneejerk decision.
27 Djw030468 : From Baghdad.... Just watched the news from BBC West (BBCw) on satellite. One of the possible causes cited by BBC was the embargo placed on 'critical
28 Starlionblue : Another classic from a news organization. Engage brain before speaking...
29 Post contains links Yirina77 : My friend took picture of this plane when he was in Iran few months ago: http://www.planes.cz/foto1.asp?mode=detail&id=KTFPPCIC&jazyk=cz
30 Post contains images Cumulus : Quote from BBC:- "Iran has a terrible record of airline safety, our correspondent says. One reason for this is US sanctions which prevent the Iranian
31 MEA-707 : I can follow their logics... due to the embargo they can't get newer Airbuses or Boeings and are forced to continue with clapped out Tu-154Ms instead.
32 Post contains links and images Cumulus : And I'm sure our Soviet friends would be delighted to supply them spare parts. View Large View MediumPhoto © Mark Hitzert What's this then? Look
33 MEA-707 : Many of the Iranian A-310s are grounded already due to spares issues. But of course the sanctions are just a factor, not the reason for a crash. A go
34 Post contains links and images David L : Yeah, what RJ100 said: Sunseeker, do you know what caused all the accidents involving the Tu-154? Here are almost 30, hardly any of which could be at
35 Starrion : With some journalists it is always the USA's fault when something bad happens. Russian aircraft are not inherently bad. 727's and 732's have been lost
36 Starlionblue : Southwest, Ryanair and Delta are still flying plenty of 732s (at least they were recently). There are loads of 727s still flying. NW flies a large am
37 Irobertson : Then it should scare you to fly Airbus A320s and 737s too, since they've all been involved in as many or more incidents lately. Just not all fatal. S
38 Starlionblue : NOTE: Not comments about this crash specifically, but about the situation in general. Davil L makes a good point as always. However, if they don't ha
39 Dogfighter2111 : Hey, Actually Southwest and Ryanair no longer have B737-200's. The last FR B732 flight was late last year where as the last SWA B732 flight was Janua
40 Starlionblue : I wasn't sure. Good info though.
41 Afay1 : As an aside, August is considered to be a highly unlucky month in Russian culture due to a wide variety of historical misfortunes that have occurred d
42 MeanGreen : Russian aircraft aren't shitty. Look at how old they are and the fact that some of the airlines they fly for aren't exactly doing a bunch of preventat
43 AirTranTUS : I think its been the past week: Comair 191 Cirrus in IND Glider/Hawker 800 Collision US Airways at MIA and PIT Iran Air at Mashhad
44 David L : I agree up to a point but when I was collating the causes of the 28 most recent accidents, it occurred to me that not many were caused by faulty main
45 Post contains links and images B52murph : Not only who maintains them, but the crews that fly them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this waaay too step an AoA for an A300 T/O? View Large V
46 Semsem : At least they cannot use the excuse of spare parts boycotts as an excuse in this case.
47 MIAMIx707 : Have the "news" said what exactly happened? Looks like the aircraft has burn damage but great to hear at least some survived. Was this a regular domes
48 Starlionblue : First of all, it's a statistical fluke. Secondly, TODAY IS 1 SEPTEMBER! [Edited 2006-09-01 17:34:48][Edited 2006-09-01 17:37:05]
49 Post contains links DeC : Video here: down and left of the page: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/09/01/iran.plane.ap/index.html
50 Post contains images David L : Maybe not. Some time zones in the USA are a few days behind us.
51 SeeTheWorld : It was September 1 in Iran. I think that was the point.
52 F22KA : BRAVO bbc!!! keep eating kaka... Based on bbc's "unbiased" reporting, the "amrikans" are manufacturing Tupolevs nowadays. I think it would have been m
53 Mnik101 : Correction all flights into and out of Mashad (sit of the accident) are cancelled.
54 FlyEmirates : 01-SEP-2006 Tupolev 154 EP-MCF Iran Air Tour 80 Mashad A1 12-FEB-2002 Tupolev 154 EP-MBS Iran Air Tours 119 near Sarab-e Do Rah A1 26-MAR-1996 Tupolev
55 Ned Kelly : You are quite correct in your statement. However we must take into account that there are legal minimums for parts on aircraft and we should bare in
56 Post contains links Bennett123 : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5305750.stm The death toll is now 29. Judging from the picture, the fuselage is burnt right through. Apar
57 D950 : So you can get black market plutonium, but no spare aircraft parts, right??
58 SFO2SVO : TheSunseeker, from CNN: The most recent Iranian civil aviation disaster involved a Kish airlines Fokker-50 plane any comments? But that's not what's
59 Post contains images Amax1977 : Four crashes of Iran Air Tour in 13 years. All Tu154!   [Edited 2006-09-01 20:13:52]
60 Starlionblue : Agreed. Also in many countries the legal minimum is way above and beyond what makes it safe to fly. In some countries the legal minimum may be pretty
61 SeeTheWorld : Am I missing something, but that looks like four crashes in 13 years.
62 Post contains images MCIGuy : Gee, I wonder why. Are you freakin' kidding me?!
63 David L : 01-SEP-2006 Tupolev 154 EP-MCF Iran Air Tour 80 Mashad A1 Iran Air Tours 131 near Tehran Cause unknown From Aviation-safety.net: 12-FEB-2002 Tupolev
64 Afay1 : My point about the dread which Russians greet the month of August was relative. I KNOW today is the 1st and was in Iran too; however, it being the fir
65 777fan : Kudos to the British Bullcrap Conglomerate for their insightful reporting. Can you really because I can't seem to follow yours! Not to mention AQ's e
66 Goomba : I just had my previous post pulled with a lovely email to accompnay it stating that it was a "low quality" post. I simply stated that many Russian air
67 Post contains links and images Don81603 : http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/09/01/iran.plane.ap/index.html From CNN. RIP to those who perished
68 PanHAM : I have just been reading about the topic in airliners.de- At is amazing that people who write in such a forum blame US sanctions for the crash of a Ru
69 David L : Once again, the BBC site did not say that. Why don't you read the thread before asking questions that have already been discussed several times?
70 Post contains links Bennett123 : http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/u...nbram=1&nbwm=1&nol_storyid=5305948 I have just watched the video. The plane has lost it's radome and is on it's
71 F9Animal : Amazing that the UN embargos are already being blamed on the crash. While the embargo thing is rough, I would be cautious to point fingers without kn
72 Post contains links 777fan : You ought to address that with Djw030468 and BBC's website. Fair use excerpt (link for those that still don't believe me: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/
73 Post contains images David L : The BBC did not cite that "as one of the possible causes" of this accident as was incorrectly stated above. That's a matter of opinion.
74 Post contains images 777fan : Oops, you're right. The BBC correspondant actually went a step further by implying that Iran's spotty aviation safety record in general is actually t
75 Post contains images David L : I'm not disputing the comments about that point, just the one that was made above.
76 Aleksandar : First of all, I'm sorry that so many people died in a crash that looks very avoidable. I know very little about training in Iran, but it looks to me l
77 RIXrat : While stationed in the Soviet Union back in the 70s as a foreign correspondent, I had many flights on Aeroflot, ranging from the TU104 to the TU144. A
78 Post contains images Starlionblue : And here is my answer again NOTE: These comments are in general and not specific to this accident. The reasons for the Tu-154 (and other Russian Airl
79 Bennett123 : This could explain the damage to the rear fuselage, (if he hit hard) but IMO not the fire in the forward cabin. I think that people are getting fixate
80 Katekebo : If you flair few hundred meters from the ground in ANY airplane - you die. I think you are confusing the term. Flair is performed in the very last ph
81 Post contains images TheSunseeker : I'm sorry to only reply now. I wish I was here some hours ago to have the discussion. However, I had a great day away from my laptop No I dont. Russia
82 XXXX10 : Apologies for being off topic but any chance of a trip report on the TU144?
83 Post contains images David L : Not quite. How reliable does an aircraft have to be to keep flying after it's involved an a midair collision, hit by a missile or flown into a mounta
84 Post contains images Starlionblue : Not quite. You are comparing apples and oranges. To be certified at all, aircraft have to follow very stringent guidelines in design and construction
85 Post contains images David L : Spooky!
86 RIXrat : XXXX10, I've mentioned the TU144 flight from Moscow to Alma Ata a few times on this forum, but never detailed it in a trip report because it was long
87 F9Animal : Oh yes, and poor training on maintenance. The problem starts somewhere, and sadly it usually points back to proper training. If the airline had a QA
88 A300605R : The TU 154 can't be held rensponsible for this crash. Topography at Khoramabad is really bad to fly a non-prec. Count the number of crashes in the Hi
89 Post contains links Aussie_ : I flew on EP-MCF earlier this year. The plane appeared in excellent condition (though paintwork a bit dirty) and to be honest, there was nothing in th
90 Post contains images Scotland1979 : Oh boy, not again... I can't imagine how the passengers felt when they thought they were relieved and safe after their aircraft landing and they ended
91 Scotland1979 : The reg. is EP-MCF and there is the only one photo in database
92 M404 : No matter what the actual cause could be (pothole in rnwy?) the point is that so called local news media (but not all) will ascribe to the sanction th
93 Cumulus : If he refused he probably be shot...........!
94 Post contains images TheSunseeker : Similar technology? To me it does. Of course every plane (Boeing or Airbus or Russian...) can crash but I believe you take a higher risc when boardin
95 Gary2880 : And? So? You think they should be? LOL. Such a shame that another 154 had to be lost. I know someone in Iran at the moment who has been waiting years
96 Post contains images David L : That was my whole point! I suspect you haven't read the whole thread. I don't agree. The 225 is a giant designed for specialised tasks. The Tu-154 is
97 HAWK21M : Whats the position of Iran Civil Aviation With regards to Importing new Airframes. regds MEL
98 Starlionblue : I will echo David L (again). If the aircraft is a rustbucket that is the operator's fault, not the manufacturer's. There are plenty of rustbucket 737
99 TheSunseeker : Starlionblue, I never blamed the type of aircraft for THIS crash in Iran. In some not too clever words (thats why my post was deleted) I gave some in
100 Post contains images David L : Let me know if that happens. I'll gladly take your ticket. How many Tu-154 accidents can you find where the aircraft was at fault?
101 Post contains images TheSunseeker : Deal, Mr David L
102 Post contains images HAWK21M : Maintenance determines Safety to an extent,not the Type of aircraft. regds MEL
103 A300 : I flew on this very aircraft in July this year from MHD-DXB!
104 Concentriq : I actually heard 1 week for every 3 weeks of ops, however, it is still wayyyy to long to spend in maintenace. But as many here said, it is mission sp
105 Post contains images A300605R : Wanted to point that out once more...
106 Post contains images David L : Ah, OK.
107 Qantas787 : What you have to realize is when you are on a Tu-154 all the reasons that have been spoken about on this thread come into being. i.e. all the bad mai
108 Starlionblue : Yes and no. Sure, the correlation tends to be Tu-154 = second rate airline but that is not always the case. What about an airline that flies both the
109 Post contains images David L : No, I would not. I would think that of an aircraft that has a record of being responsible for crashes but the evidence clearly indicates that it is n
110 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : RIP to all those involved and their families. Dave
111 Mnik101 : Just out of curiosity, how much does a Tu-154 go for on the open market?
112 HAWK21M : True. These are tried & tested Machines. regds MEL
113 Airevents : Good evening everybody, I am glad to report that the airevents tour went smooth and none of us was onboard the aircraft that crashed. We were waiting
114 KaiGywer : As echoed by others above me. Would I fly a Tu-154? Oh yeah. I wanna do it, but fares are usually expensive on OSL-SVO and back, which is the most li
115 Mnik101 : Well if they could get the planes the would be able to maintain them. Remember, prior to 79 IR was the 2nd safest airline in the world, 2nd only to Q
116 Starlionblue : That is by no means a given. Air safety starts with people, not parts. If the people in charge let an unsafe plane fly, no amount of embargo lifting
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