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JAL Likely To Order The 747-8?  
User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3761 posts, RR: 12
Posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10271 times:
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Hi everyone,
I know there have been already threads about launching customer for the 747-8 in pax version. I don't know if JAL will be, but don't you think that they are likely to order the 747-8 in pax version? I wouldn't be surprised if they do. JAL is and always was the largest 747 operator in the world, with BA (which we talked about already), and was also an early customer for the 747 when launched almost 40 years ago. With already the 787 on order, I woudn't be surprised at all if they choose the 747-8 over the A380, Boeing might give JAL a good deal. I think JAL wants to go all Boeing. I'm sure there is a market for the 747-8 in the Pacific Rim.

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium


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User currently offlineVTBDflyer From Thailand, joined Aug 2006, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10227 times:

I think its a possibility that they would be a launch customer. But they are having some trouble with some of their long haul routes. I think they have canceled some double routes, that were doing very poorly. So on that note, they would need to focus on high density long haul routes.
I would love to see JL with the 747-8.

VTBDflyer

[Edited 2006-09-02 15:54:36]


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8341 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10148 times:
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Jal is replacing some 744 with 773ER's. I think they will eventually have to order 747-8 or less likely A380. I do think with the slot situation at NRT they need bigger airplanes then the 773ER. I know NRT has opened a second runway but its limited for use to smaller airplanes. I think a big bird will be needed to Hawaii, LAX, LHR, JFK, CDG, SFO, HKG & Peking. This airplane will be bigger then the 773ER. From a competitive angle, all the airlines offering A380 and 747-8 at NRT with the latest gizmos will effect JAL .

User currently offlineAvatordon From United States of America, joined May 2006, 239 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10123 times:

When the 4th runway opens at HND, there will be additional slots open for domestic and international (that is, near-Asia) flying. JAL is is gearing up to focus on frequency rather than operating one or two large aircraft in a market. We've been told that eventually the 777 will replace the 747 aircraft to the U.S.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10086 times:

JAL needs something bigger than the B 777 for many routes. So I would say yes. And I doubt USA-Japan will go all B 777

User currently offlineAvatordon From United States of America, joined May 2006, 239 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9894 times:

What routes would you say need 747 versus 777?

User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9759 times:

JL will not order the B747-800, but will go indeed for frequency increasement with smaller aircraft to get better loads. B744 will mainly be replaced by 773ER and 772ER. Most European routes all go to B772ER/773ER. Also US will mainly become served by 777's. When the 787's will be delivered to JL, they will mainly fly to Asian destinations. A large sum of 744's will be converted to all cargo freighters at Taeco/XMN.


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9743 times:

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 6):
JL will not order the B747-800

Well, it doesn't have to be only for PAX, however I still think that given the current slot restrictions, JL might buy the 747-8I. If they don't buy it, they might have to wait until the second runway has finally been extended at NRT for them to increase frequencies.


User currently offlineCslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9731 times:

Here's the deal, JL will order the 747-8I. Due the the near- and long-term economic situation in Japan and the poor fiscal condition of the JAL Group we will not see JL operate the 747-8I until the middle of the next decade when they will replace retiring 747-4s. JL still flies a lot of early 1980s vintage aircraft including the 747-2 and 747-3. Until the JAL Group retires all of the 747-2s and 747-3s, I highly doubt that JL will order any 747-8Is.


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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9715 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 7):
Well, it doesn't have to be only for PAX, however I still think that given the current slot restrictions, JL might buy the 747-8I. If they don't buy it, they might have to wait until the second runway has finally been extended at NRT for them to increase frequencies.

B747-800 Cargo for JL, also a big No. JL just made the choice to convert a bunch of their own pax 744's to converted freighter over the coming years. At the moment, the second one is having conversion and will be re-delivered in Dec-06.
Construction works for the extended 2nd runway 16L-34R are going on already. JL will wait. HND will become international too from next year, and a couple of important flights (like BJS, HKG, HNL, ORD) are most likely to move to HND. The slots of this flight become free to use for any other JL flight out of NRT, so they can expand in 2 ways then.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8341 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9539 times:
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Jal does have some 743's but it does have many 777 too. 773ER or 747-8 will replace the 744's.

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8671 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9531 times:

I guessing both the 748 and 773ER.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineAdria From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9454 times:

Well JAL would order just about anything as long it is a Boeing. So if they don't order the 748 than this aircraft really is inferior.

User currently offlineAvatordon From United States of America, joined May 2006, 239 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9420 times:

Adria - think I might make you a respected user for that one!

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9330 times:

Quoting Adria (Reply 12):
Well JAL would order just about anything as long it is a Boeing. So if they don't order the 748 than this aircraft really is inferior.

that's right, JL must purchase every single Boeing product on the market and if doesn't get the JL seal of approval, its an inferiour product........what a brilliant comment... sarcastic 



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User currently offlineAvatordon From United States of America, joined May 2006, 239 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9286 times:

Maybe JAL is one of Boeing's largest customers and has great respect for the end product and a solid working relationship with Boeing. It has been known to happen...  Big grin

User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9286 times:

Increased competition from outside Tokyo has lead JL to think about offering non-stops from those stations. The need for everyone in Japan to go through NRT to get an international flight is starting to disappear. Frequency to points are on JL's list of things to do. The 747-8 could be seen but it is low on the list I think. Look for JL to start more non-stop from KIX, NGO and even from FUK or CTS.


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User currently offlineAdria From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9222 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
that's right, JL must purchase every single Boeing product on the market and if doesn't get the JL seal of approval, its an inferiour product........what a brilliant comment...

well since you didn't get my point (or your hobby is to twist around comments) ...JAL is a true Boeing airline ( the 783 is just for them) so when an airline like that doesn't order the aircraft that would probably suit their needs (in terms of capacity) than there is something wrong with the aircraft...so now you have some more words to twist around


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8830 times:

Routes like NRT-LAX, NRT-YVR, NRT-HKG, NRT-SYD, NRT-LHR etc are full from time to time.

Anyway the B 747-400s will remain in the fleet for a long time to come and will not be replaced anytime soon.

What about the B 747 classics? How many years do they plan to keep them? Another 3-5 years?


User currently offlineDon From Japan, joined Jun 2003, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days ago) and read 8745 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 18):
What about the B 747 classics? How many years do they plan to keep them? Another 3-5 years?

JAL has 29 747 classics ( 20 pax and 9 freighters) as of now but it will be down to 22 total by 31 March 2007 and then ZERO by 31 March 2010.

This phase out is 3-4 years earlier than JAL's original long term fleet planning due to higher fuel cost.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8526 times:

Quoting Adria (Reply 17):
well since you didn't get my point (or your hobby is to twist around comments) ...JAL is a true Boeing airline ( the 783 is just for them) so when an airline like that doesn't order the aircraft that would probably suit their needs (in terms of capacity) than there is something wrong with the aircraft...so now you have some more words to twist around



Quoting Adria (Reply 12):
Well JAL would order just about anything as long it is a Boeing. So if they don't order the 748 than this aircraft really is inferior.

Would you care to explain what word/words/phrase I "twisted" around?



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8482 times:

Wonder if they will keep the classics a bit longer

User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8249 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 21):
Wonder if they will keep the classics a bit longer



Quoting Don (Reply 19):
JAL has 29 747 classics ( 20 pax and 9 freighters) as of now but it will be down to 22 total by 31 March 2007 and then ZERO by 31 March 2010.

This phase out is 3-4 years earlier than JAL's original long term fleet planning due to higher fuel cost.

Answer your question? This was just 2 quotes above yours bro.



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 23, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8121 times:

JL have been downgauging their fleet to increase frequency in order to increase yields. I don't expect them to suddenly reverse themselves. To justify a larger aircraft, it would have to have a large advantage in CASM. Since the B787-10 and the B747-8 SuperJumbo have similar CASM, I can't see much about the SuperJumbo to interest JL.

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8671 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7760 times:

I'm guessing JL will order the 787 or the 748. If JL were to order the 783 it would be used on intra Japan routes right? The 787 series would be great for JL.

I hope JL orders the 787, and 748I.

MCOflyer



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25 Post contains images Manni : You'll be happy to hear that JAL ordered 30 787's about 2 years ago.
26 Ordryan28 : yep, dunno where you were... but, anyway, I think it's quite obious JL being the world's largest 747 operator, they will order the 748. although what
27 Carpethead : To throw a wrench into the mix, the fourth runway at HND has not yet begun work neither has the extension to the second runway at NRT. The latter work
28 Airbuseric : That's the story indeed. USA and European flights will switch to 777's (both -200ER and -300ER). Some high density routes or seasonal flights will re
29 PEK18R36L : Look for JAL to start shifting larger equipment to PEK and PVG and absolutely building new routes into FUK, NGO, etc. IIRC Obon and Lunar New Year tou
30 LPLAspotter : Now that deserves my respected user's list LPLAspotter [Edited 2006-09-03 13:34:45] Edited for spelling [Edited 2006-09-03 13:36:36][Edited 2006-09-0
31 Keesje : I think other then operational qualifications will stay decisive in the end, no matter how much we all dislike it. Aerospace being the only substantia
32 Post contains images Jacobin777 : thank you very much.....
33 Jfk777 : 747-8 or 773ER to replace the 747 classics.
34 Ordryan28 : well, that, and, by the time their 748's arrive (if they do in fact place an order), I assume it would be time to replace their 744's as well?? -Ryan
35 Ha763 : You need to add the 767F since they ordered 4 of them in 2005 to be used to Asian destinations (mostly China). I can see building up routes from NGO,
36 Ordryan28 : yes, this is certainly a first, I'm quoting myself! anyway, I meant if they order the 748, of course...
37 Stitch : If the situation was so...dire...do you think that JL would already have ordered additional 777s or 747s (of any variant) to meet the need? Perhaps t
38 Keesje : I think to replace part of their 747 fleet with the A380 wouldn´t be irrational, as wouldn´t be A330s, half Asia flies them regional because of the
39 Stitch : Well JL now has the "luxury" of having to wait till 2009 for the 747-8 and even later for the A380 (when do slots open now? 2010? 2011?), so they at
40 Stitch : Did JL ever express interest in the 747-500, 747-600, or 747-X? Or even the 747-Advanced for that matter? JL may just not feel they need a plane great
41 Centrair : One...too many large aircrafts. JL's fleet was designed for NRT. It was designed so that everyone in Japan or coming to Japan would fly through slot
42 Post contains images Stitch : Don't forget UA's daily 777 to SFO!
43 Centrair : Sorry if I wasn't clear I was refering to 747s only.
44 Carpethead : JL is a private company. They can order what ever aircraft that pleases them and their shareholders. If they order the former two models, you can exp
45 Post contains images Stitch : My bad. Absolutely. My point was more that for JL to order the A330 and A340 when they already have the 777 in their fleet and the 787 coming soon wo
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