Gilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3085 posts, RR: 2 Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4652 times:
With market being so competitive between the UK and Australia, I was wondering what were the largest carriers between the two countries and how the market share is split...
I think I would be making a safe assumption that British Airways and Qantas are both the largest carriers on this route. But with so many other national carriers offering connections I was wondering how these airlines faired.
Just doing a simple search on Expedia the number of connections and airlines trying to get a share of this lucrative market is huge, some examples...
United - LHR-LAX-SYD and LHR-SFO-SYD
Korean Air - LHR -ICN-SYD
Emirates - LHR/LGW-DXB-SYD
Singapore Airlines - LHR-SIN-SYD
Royal Brunai - LHR-DXB-BWN-SYD
Cathay Pacific - LHR-HKG-SYD
Air New Zealand - LHR-LAX-AUK-SYD and LHR-HKG-AUK-SYD
Air Canada - LHR-YVR-HNL-SYD (That one was a surprise!)
Malaysia Airlines - LHR-KUL-SYD
Thai Air International - LHR-BKK-SYD
Gulf Air - LHR-BAH-SIN-SYD (Another surprise!)
Austrian Airlines - LHR-VIE-KUL-SYD (Very competive price and again a surprise!)
EVA Air - LHR-TPE-BNE
Japan Airlines (JAL) - LHR-NRT-SYD
Koruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4574 times:
British Airways actually isn't even in the top five.
When last I looked the order was:
2. Singapore Airlines
3. Emirates, then a huge drop to....
4. Cathay Pacific
7. British Airways
9. Air New Zealand
10. Royal Brunei
Incidentally, Australia to USA figures were more surprising....
3. Air New Zealand
4. Air Canada
5. Hawaiian Air
6. Continental Micronesia (bet everyone had forgotten that one!)
7. Air Pacific
8. Air Tahiti Nui
9. Korean Air
10. Singapore Airlines
In terms of US gateways six months ago it was something like:
LAX 75%, Honolulu 15%, San Francisco 5%.
These figures represent something from about a year and a half ago, and I haven't got a photographic memory so accuracy may be poor.
VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 8020 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4487 times:
Quoting Koruman (Reply 3): British Airways actually isn't even in the top five
You are only looking at BA metal in making your conclusion. You should also take into account that the JSA (Joint Service Agreement) between QF and BA that dates back to pre World War II days means that QF and BA share revenues, costs and profits on the Kangaroo route irrespective of the passengers either carries. This is why BA were able to abandon MEL recently turning the aircraft round at SIN. This improves efficiency by avoiding having an aircraft sitting unproductive on the ground for over 12 hours waiting for the window of opportunity to beat the LHR night curfew on the return flight.
In summary if QF are the biggest, BA is the biggest equal. If QF are third largest, BA is third largest. Each equals half of their combined total on the route in terms of both revenue and profit.
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7573 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4468 times:
The MAN-Australia market has been suggested at some 150,000-180,000 passengers a year by a CAA survey, of which just 34,000 were routing via LHR. It remains to be seen what the effects of SQ going to 5 weekly from January (hopefully this is only temporary thing pending 773 deliveries) and EK going to 773s on their evening service and the lack of MH offering through services will have on the market.
Vincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4381 times:
Have you looked at the frequency of SQ+EK going into Australia? While not direct flight, they're becoming de facto airlines of Australia. ie, SQ, 3 744 dailies into SYD, 2 773+ 1 744 dailies into MEL, almost 3 dailies into BNE and PER.
RobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 960 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4131 times:
Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 10): Only for Skyteam, that's why a lot of MH fans suggested the airline to join the alliance, which MH is currently pursuing seriously.
9MMAR, the FlyerTalk BB has a thread that states that the SkyMiles partnering with DL and MH will be ending as of the end of 2006. What do you make of that? How is this related, if at all, with the MH atempt to join SkyTeam?
VHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4094 times:
Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 8): Is Austrian the only European airline in Star Alliance on this route?
Yes once they are gone no European airline will serve Australia except for BA and VS
Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 10): Star Alliance have a lot of flights to Australia. SQ alone is a major player in the routes, flying to all major Australian cities (PER, ADL, MEL, SYD and BNE).
You can also count TG
Quoting Lovinitflyboy (Reply 12): Star Alliance have AC, NZ, NH, OZ, SQ, TG, SA)">UA and even SA flying between the Europe and Australia, more options than any other alliance, but no european carriers.
ScandinA340 From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4073 times:
There is also, to a degree, a fair amount of pax who transfer at Asian hubs to LH, SK and LX. Given that all pax have to stop somewhere before Europe anyway, and the promo fares offered by these airlines, Star Alliance has a good number of airlines indirectly serving the Aust-UK market. LH, SK and LX all know this, as they have marketing offices Down Under, despite not serving the route with their own metal...
9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3860 times:
Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 14): 9MMAR, the FlyerTalk BB has a thread that states that the SkyMiles partnering with DL and MH will be ending as of the end of 2006. What do you make of that? How is this related, if at all, with the MH atempt to join SkyTeam?
Someone posted it in my thread about "MH services to Zurich, Rome and Los Angeles to Stay" as well. I am not someone from the industry, so I can't say anything about it. But there are a lot of threads mentioning about MH's plan to join Skyteam.