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BA And IB To Start Gibraltar-Spain Routes!  
User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6331 times:

I foudn an interesting link :

http://www.panorama.gi/localnews/headlines.php?action=view_article&article=1366&offset=0.

It is said that BA and IB would start flights between Gibraltar and Madrid and Barcelona. They will have the monopoly on the route.


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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6169 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Thread starter):
They will have the monopoly on the route.

...until easyJet starts the route?


User currently offlineSteve6666 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5986 times:

Quoting Richardw (Reply 1):
...until easyJet starts the route?

Unlikely - I believe the Spanish authorities have historically not permitted flights from Gib to the Spanish mainland, so unless another Spanish carrier were to get rights to fly the routes, its unlikely easyJet will.



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User currently offlineEgmcman From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 898 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5930 times:

GIB is an expensive airport to operate from so its unlikely to attract lcc's.

User currently offlineSteve6666 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5744 times:

Quoting Egmcman (Reply 3):
GIB is an expensive airport to operate from so its unlikely to attract lcc's.

what, like monarch?

(ok, ok, I know, hardly Ryanair or easyJet, but not exactly a full service airline....)



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User currently offlineMRURUN From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5722 times:

Are there any Gibraltarians on here with a view on this, in political terms?

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5668 times:

Quoting Steve6666 (Reply 4):
what, like monarch?

Yet isn't ZB due to axe service to Gibraltar?

Quoting AIR MALTA (Thread starter):
It is said that BA and IB would start flights between Gibraltar and Madrid and Barcelona. They will have the monopoly on the route.

I was under the impression that BA already served GIB through their franchise carrier GT. Or is this going to be something different?


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5656 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
I was under the impression that BA already served GIB through their franchise carrier GT. Or is this going to be something different?

The article states that the BA flights to be added would also be operated by GB Airways...and IB services will be operated by regional arm Air Nostrum...

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User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5638 times:

There was a longer article in the last issue of Airports about Gibraltar. They stated that is was so far forbitten so serve anything else than the UK from Gibraltar. No flights to Spain or the EU, although it would have a very nice location for tourists to the costa del sol, not to mention the Spanish cities of Algeciras etc. which would like to have a better connection to Madrid and Barcelona than currently.
But the problem for Gibraltar is that it is still an airforce base and operated by them. Rates are 5 times higher than at Malaga !!!
You even wonder that UK airlines are flzing there....


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7363 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5626 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
I was under the impression that BA already served GIB through their franchise carrier GT. Or is this going to be something different?

The article states that the first services will be from GIB to MAD and BCN and GB Airways certainly does not currently operate those routes today.

Correct me if I am wrong but was not GB Airways founded as Gib Air originally operating flights across the Straits of Gibralter to North Africa? If so creating a mini-hub at GIB is rather like returning to their roots.


User currently offlineAAmd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1057 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5545 times:

Yes - GB was formed as Gibraltar Airways back in 1931 - serving Tangier, Morocco using some kind of flying boat.

Source: Wikipedia entry for GB Airways  Smile


User currently offlineLapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1562 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4990 times:

Quoting Steve6666 (Reply 2):
Unlikely - I believe the Spanish authorities have historically not permitted flights from Gib to the Spanish mainland, so unless another Spanish carrier were to get rights to fly the routes, its unlikely easyJet will.

As reported on BBC website last night and in various newspapers this morning, Spain, Britain and Gibraltar have signed an agreement over access to GIB and communications lines.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5355942.stm

There is also a thread on pprune about the new airport layout.


User currently offlineHUYguy From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4958 times:

Quoting MRURUN (Reply 5):
Are there any Gibraltarians on here with a view on this, in political terms?

I was born there and go back there every now and then, so I suppose you could call me Gibraltarian. Could you elaborate on what you mean by political terms? Its great news for Gibraltar IMO, it'll bring more tourists in from the Spain that were previously put off by difficult access. With FlyGibraltar hoping to start in 2007, Gibraltar is going to be even more accessible to people and tourists.


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3849 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4856 times:

Quoting Lapper (Reply 11):
There is also a thread on pprune about the new airport layout.

Can anyone post a link to this?


User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4853 times:

Quoting Lapper (Reply 11):
As reported on BBC website last night and in various newspapers this morning, Spain, Britain and Gibraltar have signed an agreement over access to GIB and communications lines.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/eur...2.stm

When did Air 2000 operate to GIB? (the BBC article has a picture of an AMM 757).

There is another article on the BBC website which gives a more indepth analysis of the situation and what it means (includes quotes from Monarch Airlines):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5357864.stm



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User currently offlineSK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4791 times:
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Quoting Steve6666 (Reply 2):
Unlikely - I believe the Spanish authorities have historically not permitted flights from Gib to the Spanish mainland

Spain and the UK have just signed an agreement removing restrictions on civilian flights from GIB. IB will not have a monopoly as that would be illegal under EU law.


User currently offlineUS330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3866 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4781 times:

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Gibraltar wasn't technically part of the EU due to its disputed status. Therefore, EU laws regarding monopolies would not apply.

User currently offlineLapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1562 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4761 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 13):
Can anyone post a link to this?

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=244342


User currently offlineCoyoteguy From Mexico, joined Oct 2001, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4687 times:

Ahhh this brings back memories.... of the only time I ever flew on a Viscount... this beautiful creature
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Photo © TriplET

on a day trip from Gibraltar to Tangier and back. It was in the early 80s, maybe 81 or 82. We flew in to GIB from LGW on a BA 737-200, and spent a week there. I was a young kid at the time...  Wink As I remember, the Viscount continued operating the route until 1988 when it had a landing accident in Tangier and was written off. Don't know if the route operates any more, but I am assuming not. It was an interesting flight, very quick, and the single flight attendant's only duty was selling duty free cartons of cigarettes...

Also around was a 732 of GB airways, similar to this one:
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User currently offlineSK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4636 times:
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Quoting US330 (Reply 16):
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Gibraltar wasn't technically part of the EU due to its disputed status. Therefore, EU laws regarding monopolies would not apply.

Yes, I'm afraid you are wrong. In 1973 Gibraltar entered the European Economic Community, as a dependent territory in Europe, under Article 277(4) of the Treaty of Rome but was excluded, at the request of the Government of Gibraltar, from the common external tariff, the common agricultural policy and value added tax. Gibraltar even participates in European Parliament elections.


User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4479 times:

This is great news. I spent some time in Gibraltar over the summer, and flew into and out of GIB on BA (ie GB Airways). Was a friendly airport, friendly flight and lovely island. Its good that they have this opportunity to expand now. Dunno how they will manage with the main road (the ONLY Spain-Gibraltar road!) cutting right across the runway. It's really quite a sight!

User currently offlineNickllhill From Gibraltar, joined Sep 2006, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4434 times:

Well having Lived in Gibraltar for 4 Years this is Great news, as an aside Spain are lifting a lot of different restrictions.

As far as I know the restrictions at the worst (in last 4 yrs) were

- No access to Spanish airspace direct from Gibraltar
This meant very bizarre approaches and turns
If a flight could not land (due to adverse weather etc) it would have to land
in Tangiers then fly to Malaga. So adding to inconvenience and cost.
- Flights ONLY to UK within the EU - ie illegal to fly from Paris to Gib

It was only last year a plane that had attempted to land in gib could go straight to Spain.

They propose a new terminal building in Spain this will allow people to travel within spain with no ID.

Do any other airports have a terminal in one country and the runway in another?

We just need to build a tunnel under the runway now, with more flights the level crossing will be a pain!

However it is VERY expensive to land in Gib, it's an RAF base and the MOD cover the extra costs for ATC etc from landing fee's. One of the reason Monarch moved the service from Manchester to Jerez, it was well used but the profit is bigger from XRY.


User currently offlineZBA320 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4383 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):

Yet isn't ZB due to axe service to Gibraltar?

I think ZB dropped the route to MAN but is keeping the LTN route. According to a previous thread the MAN route was doing quite well in loading figures, don't know why ZB Dropped it. Probably something to do with utilizing the Aircraft better.



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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2442 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4332 times:

Quoting Nickllhill (Reply 21):
Do any other airports have a terminal in one country and the runway in another?

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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7363 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

Both the runway and terminal at GVA are located in France. However a sprcial French sector in the terminal can be accessed from France - the Franco-Swiss border runs along the northwest side of the airport - without officially passing into Switzerland. I believe this access is via a tunnel under the runway (as the terminal is on the southeast side of the airport). I am sure someonre will correct me if this is wrong - I have only used GVA when travelling to and from Switzerland.

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