Steve6666 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 356 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4043 times:
Quoting Richardw (Reply 1): ...until easyJet starts the route?
Unlikely - I believe the Spanish authorities have historically not permitted flights from Gib to the Spanish mainland, so unless another Spanish carrier were to get rights to fly the routes, its unlikely easyJet will.
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Quoting AIR MALTA (Thread starter): It is said that BA and IB would start flights between Gibraltar and Madrid and Barcelona. They will have the monopoly on the route.
I was under the impression that BA already served GIB through their franchise carrier GT. Or is this going to be something different?
USAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 54 Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3713 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6): I was under the impression that BA already served GIB through their franchise carrier GT. Or is this going to be something different?
The article states that the BA flights to be added would also be operated by GB Airways...and IB services will be operated by regional arm Air Nostrum...
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JoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3695 times:
There was a longer article in the last issue of Airports about Gibraltar. They stated that is was so far forbitten so serve anything else than the UK from Gibraltar. No flights to Spain or the EU, although it would have a very nice location for tourists to the costa del sol, not to mention the Spanish cities of Algeciras etc. which would like to have a better connection to Madrid and Barcelona than currently.
But the problem for Gibraltar is that it is still an airforce base and operated by them. Rates are 5 times higher than at Malaga !!!
You even wonder that UK airlines are flzing there....
VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 6628 posts, RR: 17 Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3683 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6): I was under the impression that BA already served GIB through their franchise carrier GT. Or is this going to be something different?
The article states that the first services will be from GIB to MAD and BCN and GB Airways certainly does not currently operate those routes today.
Correct me if I am wrong but was not GB Airways founded as Gib Air originally operating flights across the Straits of Gibralter to North Africa? If so creating a mini-hub at GIB is rather like returning to their roots.
Lapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1507 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3047 times:
Quoting Steve6666 (Reply 2): Unlikely - I believe the Spanish authorities have historically not permitted flights from Gib to the Spanish mainland, so unless another Spanish carrier were to get rights to fly the routes, its unlikely easyJet will.
As reported on BBC website last night and in various newspapers this morning, Spain, Britain and Gibraltar have signed an agreement over access to GIB and communications lines. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5355942.stm
There is also a thread on pprune about the new airport layout.
HUYguy From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 274 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3015 times:
Quoting MRURUN (Reply 5): Are there any Gibraltarians on here with a view on this, in political terms?
I was born there and go back there every now and then, so I suppose you could call me Gibraltarian. Could you elaborate on what you mean by political terms? Its great news for Gibraltar IMO, it'll bring more tourists in from the Spain that were previously put off by difficult access. With FlyGibraltar hoping to start in 2007, Gibraltar is going to be even more accessible to people and tourists.
ManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1192 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2910 times:
Quoting Lapper (Reply 11): As reported on BBC website last night and in various newspapers this morning, Spain, Britain and Gibraltar have signed an agreement over access to GIB and communications lines. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/eur...2.stm
When did Air 2000 operate to GIB? (the BBC article has a picture of an AMM 757).
There is another article on the BBC website which gives a more indepth analysis of the situation and what it means (includes quotes from Monarch Airlines):
SK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 414 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2848 times:
Quoting Steve6666 (Reply 2): Unlikely - I believe the Spanish authorities have historically not permitted flights from Gib to the Spanish mainland
Spain and the UK have just signed an agreement removing restrictions on civilian flights from GIB. IB will not have a monopoly as that would be illegal under EU law.
US330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3746 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2838 times:
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Gibraltar wasn't technically part of the EU due to its disputed status. Therefore, EU laws regarding monopolies would not apply.
on a day trip from Gibraltar to Tangier and back. It was in the early 80s, maybe 81 or 82. We flew in to GIB from LGW on a BA 737-200, and spent a week there. I was a young kid at the time... As I remember, the Viscount continued operating the route until 1988 when it had a landing accident in Tangier and was written off. Don't know if the route operates any more, but I am assuming not. It was an interesting flight, very quick, and the single flight attendant's only duty was selling duty free cartons of cigarettes...
Also around was a 732 of GB airways, similar to this one:
SK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 414 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2693 times:
Quoting US330 (Reply 16): Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Gibraltar wasn't technically part of the EU due to its disputed status. Therefore, EU laws regarding monopolies would not apply.
Yes, I'm afraid you are wrong. In 1973 Gibraltar entered the European Economic Community, as a dependent territory in Europe, under Article 277(4) of the Treaty of Rome but was excluded, at the request of the Government of Gibraltar, from the common external tariff, the common agricultural policy and value added tax. Gibraltar even participates in European Parliament elections.
Timboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1238 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2536 times:
This is great news. I spent some time in Gibraltar over the summer, and flew into and out of GIB on BA (ie GB Airways). Was a friendly airport, friendly flight and lovely island. Its good that they have this opportunity to expand now. Dunno how they will manage with the main road (the ONLY Spain-Gibraltar road!) cutting right across the runway. It's really quite a sight!
Nickllhill From Gibraltar, joined Sep 2006, 18 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2491 times:
Well having Lived in Gibraltar for 4 Years this is Great news, as an aside Spain are lifting a lot of different restrictions.
As far as I know the restrictions at the worst (in last 4 yrs) were
- No access to Spanish airspace direct from Gibraltar
This meant very bizarre approaches and turns
If a flight could not land (due to adverse weather etc) it would have to land
in Tangiers then fly to Malaga. So adding to inconvenience and cost.
- Flights ONLY to UK within the EU - ie illegal to fly from Paris to Gib
It was only last year a plane that had attempted to land in gib could go straight to Spain.
They propose a new terminal building in Spain this will allow people to travel within spain with no ID.
Do any other airports have a terminal in one country and the runway in another?
We just need to build a tunnel under the runway now, with more flights the level crossing will be a pain!
However it is VERY expensive to land in Gib, it's an RAF base and the MOD cover the extra costs for ATC etc from landing fee's. One of the reason Monarch moved the service from Manchester to Jerez, it was well used but the profit is bigger from XRY.
ZBA320 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 122 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2440 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
Yet isn't ZB due to axe service to Gibraltar?
I think ZB dropped the route to MAN but is keeping the LTN route. According to a previous thread the MAN route was doing quite well in loading figures, don't know why ZB Dropped it. Probably something to do with utilizing the Aircraft better.
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VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 6628 posts, RR: 17 Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2332 times:
Both the runway and terminal at GVA are located in France. However a sprcial French sector in the terminal can be accessed from France - the Franco-Swiss border runs along the northwest side of the airport - without officially passing into Switzerland. I believe this access is via a tunnel under the runway (as the terminal is on the southeast side of the airport). I am sure someonre will correct me if this is wrong - I have only used GVA when travelling to and from Switzerland.
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As I remember, the Viscount continued operating the route until 1988 when it had a landing accident in Tangier and was written off. Don't know if the route operates any more, but I am assuming not. It was an interesting flight, very quick, and the single flight attendant's only duty was selling duty free cartons of cigarettes...
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