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Garuda No Longer Flies To Europe/North America?  
User currently offlineKingsford From Belgium, joined Nov 2003, 427 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5402 times:

I haven't seen their planes at any of the airports I frequently visit in Europe (FRA-MUC-LHR-AMS...) and their route map indeed shows no more destinations served in Europe (Not even AMS), nor N. America.

Any reason ?

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User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5378 times:

They stopped a few years ago. 2004 for AMS and even before that for LGW and FRA. They couldn't make a profit out of it.

They are however planning to return to AMS, but that's still in the rumor stage.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8437 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5365 times:
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Garuda has been through too much. It should fly to AMS at least. What about the 3 744 they have /had ?

User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5272 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
What about the 3 744 they have /had ?

Those 3 B744s - PK-GSG/H/I - are still in the fleet, operating to such destinations as RUH, DMM, JED, NRT and occasionally also to HKG, PEK, PVG and KIX.

All rumors of a return to AMS are just that right now, rumors. There are no plans for an imminent return to Europe, but, of course, as with all airlines, these routes are under constant review. I am confident that GA will eventually return to AMS. It will just not be as imminent as many people like to believe.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5032 times:
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I had heard two stories about the Garuda stopping service to the US...one has to do with economic sanctions because of terrorism and other is the lack of decent economics to fly to LAX. So what is true?

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6930 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5027 times:

Wedgetail,
Lack of decent economics is probably nearer the truth than the sanctions & terrorism version.

Mandala499



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User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4795 times:

The problem with their NA flight was simply too many stops, I knew the routing was CGK-DPS-BIK-HNL-LAX, had they initiated 2 flights, such as LAX-HNL-CGK, and SFO-HNL-DPS, allowing passengers to change/connect at HNL, it'll be a lot more viable.

IMO they shouldn't think too much of long haul expansions now, their strengths are Saudi Arabia, Australia, plus extensive domestic network linking all islands, MH and SQ will take care of the rest. I know Garuda used to offer rock bottom fare from Australia to Europe that QF accused them of dumping tickets.


User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4747 times:

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 6):
The problem with their NA flight was simply too many stops, I knew the routing was CGK-DPS-BIK-HNL-LAX

For a while, there was a nonstop between DPS and HNL, and even then the route was bleeding money. The main problem with the route was the lack of premium traffic, and the first and business cabins were often empty, save for some government officials on free tickets. If GA were to restart an LAX route today, the problem of the premium traffic would still be the same. The Indonesian economy hasn't exactly been thriving since the Asian monetary crisis of the late 90s and there is very little demand from premium traffic on Garuda.

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 6):
IMO they shouldn't think too much of long haul expansions now

Trust me, they aren't. With just three B744s and 6 A333s and no additional longhaul widebody capacity planned, there is very little room for expansion at all.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4608 times:
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Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 5):
Wedgetail,
Lack of decent economics is probably nearer the truth than the sanctions & terrorism version.

Mandala499

Thanks for clearing that up. I kind of figured since Garuda ordered some airplanes from Boeing not too long ago.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5880 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4410 times:

An Asian cargo magazine has reported GA official saying they will be starting Dubai next summer followed later on by Amsterdam, Frankfurt and London.

User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4390 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 9):
An Asian cargo magazine has reported GA official saying they will be starting Dubai next summer followed later on by Amsterdam, Frankfurt and London.

Dubai was already planned for last summer but didn't materialize because of lack of widebody equipment, and I doubt very much whether it will happen next summer. The plans actually call for a return to AMS via DXB. However, Garuda is unlikely to operate more than a handful of weekly flights, and is unlikely to be able to compete with Emirates on the route. EK offers currently 10 weekly CGK-DXB flights with an inflight product superior to that of GA.


User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2084 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4295 times:

Garuda holds the distinction of being one of the few airlines to fail at USA service. The DPS-Biak-HNL-LAX flight bled money even after Biak was overflown as noted above. Had the route operated via North Asia (assuming traffic rights could be obtained) it may have been sustainable. The flights were operated by DC10, MD11 (one of which had an unfortunate landing misshap at HNL) and a leased SAA 747-200 Combi. Garuda was also the frequent target of FAA inspections at LAX.


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