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SWISS: Enough Airframes For European Network?  
User currently offlineSwissA330 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2002, 613 posts, RR: 15
Posted (7 years 11 months 11 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

Since previous Threads about SWISS's today's Announcement to order 2 additional A321's and one A320 keep being deleted
(WHY??? This is News from today, and i cannot find another Thread regarding this...) i started this one as a discussion in general....

BTW: Here is the link to the Announcement, now officially on swiss.com since a couple of hours:
http://www.swiss.com/web/NS6/about-s...press-releases-06.htm?newsid=95258

So, as a Reply to the last comment on the previous thread:
(Whether this will start to satisfy Swiss's Demand for the European network):

In my opinion still some airframes short... but at least in the right direction  Wink

I used to fly ZRH-LIS regularly. Very often very full, and on special occasion impossible to book due to ethnical passengers.
Still, SWISS had to downgrade from 2 flights per day, mostly A321's to 1 A320 per day...
At least TAP caught up and is now flying 3 times a day, offering LX code-shares since both are now (again) in the same alliance.
Still, would be nice to see some more SWISS metal in LIS....

Also, GVA-LIS is all TAP-Aircraft now...

Therefore I still see some demand for further airframes, maybe some further AVRO's might also help.
BTW, nice to see some ex-Swissair aircraft returning to the fleet...


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User currently offlineSwissA330 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2002, 613 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 11 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

Oops, found the other Thread....
This happens when you don't look for LX instead of SWISS.

Here is the Link to the other thread:
Official: LX To Get Two A321 And One A320 (by Matterhorn Sep 4 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Still, lets discuss the Need for (further) aircraft in this thread rather than commenting today's news.

BR, Pat



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User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 11 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

Hi SwissA330.

I always felt that sooner or latter SWISS will come up stronger again. I understand that after Swissair "crash" they had to re-think their strategy, but after things got smooth SWISS will come up to the standards that we used to....and I still think this is a dynamic process. SWISS will need more airplanes in the future, they are receiving 2 A330-200's from LH, now some more A321's and A320's....my shot goes that SWISS will eventually order the A350XWB in the future.....to replace their A330's from 2012/2013 on!
I also agree with you, SWISS should add more flights to LIS! LIS flights were always quite well loaded in the past ( even when Swissair operated...) and we cannot forget that Swissair even used the A310 in the past! LIS deserves at least the A321 again here, and why not revert to the old option that worked so well during many years? LIS/GVA/ZRH and ZRH/LIS?!?!?
Regards


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 11 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

Quoting SwissA330 (Thread starter):
Since previous Threads about SWISS's today's Announcement to order 2 additional A321's and one A320 keep being deleted

As I already wrote in your deleted thread: yesterday I flew Moscow (DME) to Zurich on a Swiss A 320. The aircraft was almost full (probably 5 seats vacant). As Swiss operates 3 flights daily on this route they need at least two frames for this three hour plus flight (one way). I was asking myself if Swiss really has enough A 32x (family) for their European network. Now today I got the answer.


User currently offlineSwissA330 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2002, 613 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1770 times:

Well, regarding LIS:
The A310 was when ZRH & GVA were connected only with one daily flight to LIS, in the late 90's SR & TP (Qualiflyer) had 4x ZRH-LIS, 2xGVA-LIS and 1x BSL-LIS, not much more than today actually, only that now almost all of the flights are operated by TP aircraft.

What Swiss is also missing is Crossair's extensive Feeder Network throughout Europe. Somehow LX is now almost only Swissair and not Crossair anymore. Lot's of smaller destinations have been dropped thus generating less transfer pax.
Well, I think these are routed via FRA/MUC now anyway...



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User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1756 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

Quoting SwissA330 (Reply 4):
What Swiss is also missing is Crossair's extensive Feeder Network throughout Europe. Somehow LX is now almost only Swissair and not Crossair anymore. Lot's of smaller destinations have been dropped thus generating less transfer pax.

As far as I know, that was done intentionally. By the time SR folded, transit passengers accounted for more than 60% of their passengers. Unfortunately, very often these were paying a lot less for their tickets. When SWISS started then, one of their objectives was to focus closer on the Swiss market. Aa a result,, many of the traditional connections through ZRH were done away with. Take for example CAI which, in SR's days, had great connections to and from the US via ZRH. Since SWISS rescheduled the CAI flight to a same-day return service, the connections are no longer that good and may require a stop over in ZRH.


User currently offlineAlespesl From Czech Republic, joined Jan 2004, 582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1642 times:

I am flying LX on OCT 2: PRG-ZRH-GVA-BCN and on OCT 9: AMS-ZRH-PRG.

I am very much looking forward flying with LX. Last time i flew when it was still old SR from PRG-ZRH on Airbus 320.



Next Flight: Oct 10: PRG-MUC-KIV EMB 195/CRJ 900, Oct 12: KIV-MUC-PRG CRJ900/EMB 195 wiht Lufthansa
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