Horus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 62 Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2949 times:
Following earlier speculation (and threads) Egyptair's Chariman Atef Abdelhamid has confirmed the airline will launch a new subsidiary to operate both domestic and regional flights from 2007. The airline has been tentatively named "Express" and will offer a complimentary service onboard.
Eng. Abdelhamid added the airline is in talks with Embraer for 6 ERJ-170s, fitted with 76 seats. Talks have also been confirmed from Brazil where 'Embraer Europe, Africa and Middle East Press Relations Officer', Catherine Fracchia, confirmed a "commercial proposal pending contract execution" was signed with the Egyptian carrier. She wouldn't comment on details of the order until finalised however first delivery is expected during the second quarter of 2007.
This will be Embraer's first sale of passenger aircraft in Egypt, however the EAF have ordered over 130 Tucano trainers from the Brazilian manufacturer since the 1980s.
Eng. Abdelhamid continued by explaining this move would allow the airline to operate efficiently with a greater number of daily frequencies. He added the new subsidiary will allow the airline to compete effectively with the 'imminent' implementation of open skies at its hub in Cairo (CAI). He said the Ministry of Civil Aviation plans to turn Cairo Airport into a regional hub and fully implement open skies which will mean the company is expected to face intense competition from Egyptian private airlines and regional low cost carriers.
PRGLY From Czech Republic, joined Dec 2004, 494 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2840 times:
Good news for MS and Embraer, thanks Horus, seems that E-jets are becoming popular in Middle East. Side note, any plans in MS to open PRG on regular basis?
Horus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 62 Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2706 times:
Quoting PRGLY (Reply 1): Side note, any plans in MS to open PRG on regular basis?
With the exception of BUD (and VIE depending on your geography) Egyptair has no intention in the forceeable future to expand into the East European market. The market is simply too small, mainly consisting of low yield traffic and stagnant when it comes to future growth potentional. With regard to PRG, it seems even OK is shrinking in CAI. Up until recently OK270/271 was operating with 4x weekly flights in the summer and 3 in the winter. This summer it was reduced to 3 flights and this up and coming winter flights between 12/01/06 and 02/03/06 are reduced even further to twice weekly. On a positive note PRG-SSH and PRG-HRG charters are increasing year-on-year.
Aleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3229 posts, RR: 34 Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2678 times:
Wow, these are great news. It would be nice to see E170 in MS livery. Speaking of the subsidiary, what regional routes will it take over from the parent company?
MSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 846 posts, RR: 9 Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2678 times:
Good news for both MS and Embraer . So rumours are confirmed , Thanks for the update Horus .
Ms will be the 3rd Airline in the region to operate Embraer planes after Royal Jordanian and Saudi Arabian Airlines .
Aleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3229 posts, RR: 34 Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2661 times:
Quoting Horus (Reply 2): With regard to PRG, it seems even OK is shrinking in CAI.
Quoting Horus (Reply 2): On a positive note PRG-SSH and PRG-HRG charters are increasing year-on-year.
The same thing is happening with MS in Budapest. While their flights are operated with 735 twice a week, Air Cairo operates A320 to HRG and possibly SSH (can't confirm that one, didn't see it myself ). Similarly, MA operates 736 to CAI and uses 738 to HRG and SSH.
Horus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 62 Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2612 times:
Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 3): Wow, these are great news. It would be nice to see E170 in MS livery.
I think the ERJ-170 will look pretty neat in MS's livery however I expect it to be tweaked a little to give "Express" its own identity. Air Cairo are also getting their livery changed with the dleivery of their new A320s in November. At the moment their c/s strongly resembles Egyptair's.
Quoting Horus (Thread starter): Speaking of the subsidiary, what regional routes will it take over from the parent company?
This hasn't been revealed or announced yet, however I (personally) can see it being used to:
Larnaca (LCA): I would expect the Cypriot airport to be one of the first Embraer destinations. At the moment the CAI-LCA-CAI route is served with 3x weekly B735 flights, so I could see the route becoming 5 (possibly 6)x weekly with the Embraer.
Beirut (BEY): During the summer MS have 10x weekly CAI-BEY-CAI flights so I'd expect the service to go 2x daily (one with A320 and one with ERJ-170). As BEY operate an Open Sky policy I can't see why MS would have issues increasing flight frequencies.
Amman (AMM): MS have 9x weekly CAI-AMM-CAI flights and the route has enjoyed significant growth this year with the A330 being used on 2 of the 9 flights this summer. Again I would expect the service to go 2x daily.
Benghazi (BEN): A likely candidate. At the moment CAI-BEN is served with 3x weekly B735/A320 flights so 5x weekly Embraer flights would work.
Aleppo (ALP): Currently served with 2x weekly B735 flights from CAI. 3x weekly Embraer flights would offer greater frequency but only increase capacity by 8%. The Syrian capital, Damascus, would only be an option for the Embraers if the Syrians allow Egyptair greater access to DAM (currently restricted to a daily flight).
Those 5 destinations seem, IMO, likely however this is speculation on my part. It also depends on the delivery timetable for the 6 Embraers. I'd also like to see the Embraers used for more flights/destinations ex-ALY.
Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 4): Good news for both MS and Embraer . So rumours are confirmed , Thanks for the update Horus .
Lets hope the order is 'signed and sealed' soon.
Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 5): The same thing is happening with MS in Budapest. While their flights are operated with 735 twice a week, Air Cairo operates A320 to HRG and possibly SSH (can't confirm that one, didn't see it myself biggrin )
Travel Service B738s are a common site in the Red Sea too.
Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 5): Similarly, MA operates 736 to CAI and uses 738 to HRG and SSH.
MA use a mixture of B73Gs and B738s to CAI in the summer, but again I'd imagine the BUD-HRG/SSH market is larger. Take tomorrow (06/09) there are 2 HRG-BUD-HRG flights operated by AMC Airlines (B738) and Air Cairo (A321).
VORFMD From Austria, joined Feb 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2588 times:
Quoting Horus (Reply 2): With the exception of BUD (and VIE depending on your geography) Egyptair has no intention in the forceeable future to expand into the East European market
I heard MS is looking to going daily into VIE. Can you confirm this ?
Unlikely. A new bilateral agreement needs to be agreed with the Greeks to allow for more access which seems improbable given OA's current state. Take Aegean Airlines (a Greek airline) who have been (unsuccessfully) campaigning to fly ATH-CAI since 1999 (according to their Chairman one of the recently ordered A320s is earmarked for the CAI route). Back to the Embraers, in my opinion, CAI-ATH is not a route where greater frequency would be more beneficial then simply using a larger aircraft.
Istanbul is another destination where I don't think the Embraers will be used on but not for the same reasons as ATH. The Egypt-Turkey market is expanding healthily, particularly the outbound (i.e. Egypt->Istanbul). If the bilateral agreement is rectified, I can see MS using A320s rather than Embraers on the additional flights to meet the demand. Egyptian private carriers, who are still barred from the scheduled market, have been operating several weekly 'regular' charters on the CAI-SAW-CAI route.
Aleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3229 posts, RR: 34 Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2379 times:
Quoting Horus (Reply 10): Back to the Embraers, in my opinion, CAI-ATH is not a route where greater frequency would be more beneficial then simply using a larger aircraft
What planes MS uses on that route now? I found an MS timetable in BUD. It looks nice and design is better than before but they don't give any information on equipment.
Quoting Horus (Reply 10): I'm still waiting to see AMC's B738s in real life.
I feel so much better now. You haven't seen it, too
HiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 788 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2349 times:
Good for MS. The E-Jets IMO are great aircraft for domestic and regional shuttle services in our region, they've got the right capacity/economics to add much needed frequency.
BTW what do you think of MED as a potential destination for the E170?
VORFMD From Austria, joined Feb 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2275 times:
Quoting Horus (Reply 10): Are OS restarting VIE-ALY next summer?
There were plans to restart the Flights already this summer, but with the new CEO and the Fact that OS isn´t in a good financial situation i would not estimate the Flights restarting next year.
CaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 345 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2158 times:
Hey Horus, MSYYZ and Aleksandar How are you guys.
Thanks for the Update Horus, and Finally we will see the ERs, that's really amazing after waiting all this time we finally going to see those pretty birds flying on Egypt Skies.
Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 3): Wow, these are great news. It would be nice to see E170
Quoting Horus (Reply 6): I think the ERJ-170 will look pretty neat in MS's livery however I expect it to be tweaked a little to give "Express" its own identity
Yes Indeed it will look awesome.
I would say if they have the express word in Small letters IN blue after the word EgyptAir that will look fantastic.
Quoting Horus (Reply 10): Istanbul is another destination where I don't think the Embraers will be used on
I do confirm with that, IST has been a very demanding route and both TK and MS is doing more than fine in this route, most of the flight are almost full year long, I flew that route many times and everytime the payloads was really so high.
Thanks again Horus and best of luck for both MS and Embraer
MSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 846 posts, RR: 9 Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2116 times:
Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 9): Looks like the jungle jets are making way for the desert jets. Are we going to see more of them in the Far East?
The Embraer are getting more and more popular and are gaining market share against their main rival Bombardier . Not only that , they are now present right here in Canada ( Bombardier's own backyard ) flying for AC .
Quoting Horus (Reply 10): The W06/07 timetable has been finalised and VIE has remained 5x weekly. Probably S07
Even 5 flights a week is quite good bearing in mind the relatively small population of Austria compared to the likes of England , France and Germany .
Few months ago , i was on board of OS A321 from Vienna to Cairo and it was full , on my way back from CAI to VIE , it was an A320 almost 80% full .
Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 11): What planes MS uses on that route now? I found an MS timetable in BUD. It looks nice and design is better than before but they don't give any information on equipment.
A mix of B735 and A320 .
Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 12): BTW what do you think of MED as a potential destination for the E170?
Hey HiJazzey , how are you my friend , long time no see . I don't think MED is a candidate for Embraer service , the A320's are just the right size for this route .
Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 14): Hey Horus, MSYYZ and Aleksandar How are you guys
Kolo tamam ya abou el cabaten and you ?
Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 14): Yes Indeed it will look awesome.
I would say if they have the express word in Small letters IN blue after the word EgyptAir that will look fantastic.
I disagree with you here ya abou el cabaten if you don't mind , the word " EGYPT AIR " is written in dark blue in English and in red in Arabic on the fuselage so you want to choose another colour than the blue to have a little bit of either a contrast or harmony with both colours ( Blue and Red ) i suggest either gold or light green . What do you think ?
CaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 345 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1975 times:
Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 15): Kolo tamam ya abou el cabaten and you ?
Tamam EL 7amd llah.
Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 15): I disagree with you here ya abou el cabaten if you don't mind
[quote=MSYYZ,reply=15] disagree with you here ya abou el cabaten if you don't mind , the word " EGYPT AIR " is written in dark blue in English and in red in Arabic on the fuselage so you want to choose another colour than the blue to have a little bit of either a contrast or harmony with both colours ( Blue and Red ) i suggest either gold or light green . What do you think ?
Well, the thing that i thought about and i don't know how its going to work is that EgyptAir is written in Arabic and English, in English they would put the word express, but what word they will put in Arabic??? any thoughts
CaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 345 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1872 times:
Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 18): Although not Arabic, how about Espresso
It would sound good, just it gives ya the feeling you wanna drink it :P
Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 18): In tribute to their coffee. However, I think they mostly drink tea?
That's True Egyptian Tradition is Tea, Coffe and Shisha
Horus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 62 Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1848 times:
Quoting Horus (Reply 10): Take Aegean Airlines (a Greek airline) who have been (unsuccessfully) campaigning to fly ATH-CAI since 1999 (according to their Chairman one of the recently ordered A320s is earmarked for the CAI route)
The A320 is the main equipment used on MS747/748 however both the B735 and A321 do make the odd experience. The A340 was also used on 3 flights last January and 2 in July but these coincided with holiday periods.
Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 11): I found an MS timetable in BUD. It looks nice and design is better than before but they don't give any information on equipment.
I have the CD timetable and unfortunately it too doesn't detail the aircraft type used.
Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 11): I feel so much better now. You haven't seen it, too devil wink
Well you're more likely to see it first in BEG than I would in MME!
Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 12): BTW what do you think of MED as a potential destination for the E170?
I think it's highly unlikely the Embraer would be used on any of MS's CAI-KSA flights simply because they are too small. Even though MS only have a twice weekly A320 service to MED it isn't due to lack of demand, far from it, but due to bilateral constraints. I always thought SV should use their Embraers on the JED-ALY and RUH-ALY route though. The MD-90s currently used on the services face serious payload restrictions at ALY due to the short runway and (I'm being serious here) the obstructing trees located at the end of the runway.
Quoting VORFMD (Reply 13): There were plans to restart the Flights already this summer, but with the new CEO and the Fact that OS isn´t in a good financial situation i would not estimate the Flights restarting next year.
Well that's a shame. First it was cancelled due to Irbil (which never went ahead anyway) and now this. Would be nice to see OS's A319s back doing the 4x weekly flights even if only on a seasonal basis. I guess LH can breathe a sigh of relief...
Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 14): Thanks for the Update Horus, and Finally we will see the ERs, that's really amazing after waiting all this time we finally going to see those pretty birds flying on Egypt Skies.
Lets just hope the contract is signed before someone decides to 'evaluate the airline's future requirements' even more.
Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 14): Thanks again Horus and best of luck for both MS and Embraer
Tislam ya habibi
Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 15): Even 5 flights a week is quite good bearing in mind the relatively small population of Austria compared to the likes of England , France and Germany .
Well 5x weekly certainly isn't bad, but bear in mind its been 5x weekly for 2 years now. And remember 4 flights route CAI-VIE-CAI and 1 routes CAI-VIE-LXR-CAI.
CaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 345 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1803 times:
Quoting Horus (Reply 20): Lets just hope the contract is signed before someone decides to 'evaluate the airline's future requirements' even more.
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