Kl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 651 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2981 times:
well I think all the custom work will be done at YYZ unless they have to change planes even so I don't think they will have to go through another custom check since their bags will be transfer from one plane to the other. just a thought
Bdl2dca From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2891 times:
Quoting Kl692 (Reply 3): I don't see a reason why they US customs and immigration should get involve in it.
To give you a similar scenario: Air Canada flies YVR-HNL-SYD. All passengers, even those bound for SYD have to go through US Customs in YVR. However, HNL is a stop for passengers, whereas I do not think the YYZ-ANC-HKG ANC stop deals with any passengers.
BuckFifty From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1314 posts, RR: 21 Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2784 times:
HKG-YVR-YYZ is a longer route than HKG-ANC-YYZ. For a while after 9/11, US Customs declared a need that all passengers had to deplane and go through customs at ANC, so CX flew through YVR. But it is a costlier route for most of the year (except during the middle of summer, when the jetstreams travel further south), and YVR nowadays has limited gate space in the afternoon, it made delays a common occurence when that route was flown.
The route used to be non-stop from HKG to YYZ in the wintertime. But loading would have been restricted. With high oil prices, better to carry more weight as revenue vs. weight as expenses (fuel).
ANC is also a much cheaper port to fly through than YVR.
Bdl2dca From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2691 times:
Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 6): Passengers do not clear US customs on this flight. CX only sells YYZ-HKG not YYZ-ANC or ANC-HKG, as such no need for US customs clearance.
Quoting BuckFifty (Reply 9): HKG-YVR-YYZ is a longer route than HKG-ANC-YYZ. For a while after 9/11, US Customs declared a need that all passengers had to deplane and go through customs at ANC, so CX flew through YVR.
That's exactly why I was asking the question. Thanks folks.
Nicolasrolland From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 164 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2579 times:
I have been on this flight (YYZ-ANC-HKG) (HKG-ANC-YYZ) and each time they made us wait inside the plane... and on both flight... ground crew make paperwork difficult for the plane to go again.. so normally its 1h that you have to wait inside the aircraft but in real when I did this flight we had to wait 2h30 minutes...
so even though CX wants to make our life easier by not having to go thru customs or paperwork.. I guess they themself are having difficult time with technicals clearance...
a little funny story... when we landed in ANC all the "emergency" and "buckle up" lights where working but after the technical ground crew try to fix something inside the airplane... I would say 50% of all the lights where no more working so I guess the technician touch the wrong wire or something anyway...
Long story short... its a loonnnnng flight... but its allowing you not to go thru US... so my recommandation.. Take Air Canada with 340-500 direct from Toronto to HOngkong or take CX from Vancouver... or CX from New York with their 340-600
Beside this Ancorage is really beautiful to look at beautiful scenery if your lucky and many many cargo planes if you love to see airplanes
FLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12 Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2549 times:
Quoting Bdl2dca (Reply 4): To give you a similar scenario: Air Canada flies YVR-HNL-SYD. All passengers, even those bound for SYD have to go through US Customs in YVR. However, HNL is a stop for passengers, whereas I do not think the YYZ-ANC-HKG ANC stop deals with any passengers.
Last year, when AC flew YVR-HNL-SYD on the A340-300 & SYD-YVR non-stop, after alot of negotiating, customers were allowed to remain on board, similar to the CX arrangements at ANC as a pure tech stop. On this particular flight, there was no local carriage between YVR-HNL & HNL-SYD. On the 767-300 however, YVR boarding customers are herded off the aircraft in the middle of the night to pass through US customs at HNL. It's a bureaucratic money making venture for US Customs.
MotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 2749 posts, RR: 10 Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2384 times:
Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 14): It's Chinese airspace....Air China does not own any territory...
Thanks, but I was referring to the delineation of route structure among the various Chinese carriers. CX is the carrier of note to/from HKG. CA is the same for PEK. So I'm wondering if the CAAC (Civil Aviation Authority of China) would allow CX to operate beyond PEK.
Sorry, I know it's straying from topic, but it could be a better alternative than ANC. Mind you, ANC being roughly halfway means the tanks never have to be totally full so the bird isn't burning fuel hauling fuel like it would on the (potential) PEK-YYZ leg.
747433 From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2384 times:
I know of one exception. NZ customers flying AKL-LAX-LHR and vv on flt 1 and 2 can transit LAX even though NZ sells both legs on a local basis. There is a small transit lounge at LAX T2. The process was suspended after 9/11 but was re-started once a more secure transit facility was built. Customers who want to use the Koru Lounge must however clear US Formalities in order to gain access.