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Philippine Airlines Delays Widebody Decision  
User currently offlineN751PR From Japan, joined May 2002, 1249 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

Link to the GMANews.tv article

Quote:
PAL was supposed to decide this month on whether it will order new planes. The additional four-wide bodied planes that PAL is eyeing to purchase will be used to service its US routes and Vancouver in Canada.

Bautista said the carrier is determined to acquire more planes to service existing and new routes. However, it has yet to make up its mind if it will choose US aerospace giant Boeing Co. or European plane maker Airbus.



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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3539 times:

Whatever they have a larger fleet of- Boeings or Airbii... I'm pretty sure of the top of my head that they have more A330s/A340s than 747s, so they should go with a couple more of them, IMHO...

Of course, I just say this because they are considering flying to my home airport of SAN and us SAN spotters will take ANY widebody flying to our airport! Big grin



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offline767ER From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

Not being rude but is PR really considering flying into SAN?


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User currently offlineN751PR From Japan, joined May 2002, 1249 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

Quoting 767ER (Reply 2):
Not being rude but is PR really considering flying into SAN?

Last month, they announced the intention to do such a flight via YVR sometime within the next year. Here's to hoping that it does happen...



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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

Well PR is expanding none the less, just saw on another thread that they will be introducing another 744 to the fleet, being leased from NZ for a while, on top of this, the leased aircraft will feature all of NZ's upgraded interior like the lie flat beds in business, a premium economy section and AVOD in economy (if they decide to use it.)

User currently offline767ER From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3408 times:

Hard to belive with a population of 85 million, PR only has 5 744s while NZ with a pop of 4 million air nz has 9 744s. But then comparing the Phillpines to NZ is like comparing apples to oranges.

Is their a big Phillipino population in SAN?



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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3361 times:

Quoting 767ER (Reply 5):
Hard to belive with a population of 85 million, PR only has 5 744s while NZ with a pop of 4 million air nz has 9 744s.

Yes, but ask yourself how much of that 85 million is on pay good enough to sustain a demand for lots of long haul flights? Not to mention the fact that NZ has a much bigger tourism industry that is booming right now. Also, NZ only have 8 747's, will be 7 747's once PR get the leased aircraft.


User currently offlineNZ560 From New Zealand, joined May 2006, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

Just a useless fact. PR will be having ZK-SUH.


-OJL RIP Also to the 7 onboard
User currently offlineN751PR From Japan, joined May 2002, 1249 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

Quoting 767ER (Reply 5):
Hard to belive with a population of 85 million, PR only has 5 744s while NZ with a pop of 4 million air nz has 9 744s. But then comparing the Phillpines to NZ is like comparing apples to oranges.

I don't think I need to go further on this.  Wink

Quoting NZ560 (Reply 7):
Just a useless fact. PR will be having ZK-SUH.

Definitely not useless as it does pertain to PR's acquisitions.  Smile If you want a useless fact, ZK-SUJ was supposed to be delivered to PR as N756PR.  Wink

Quoting 767ER (Reply 5):
Is their a big Phillipino population in SAN?

San Diego County has an estimate of 121,000 Filipino-Americans which makes it the second largest county in the US in terms of a Fil-Am population.



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

Quoting 767ER (Reply 5):
Is their a big Phillipino population in SAN?

Off the "top of my head", most Filipino immigrants and Americans of Filipino extraction, live in California and Hawaii. There are huge concentrations in SAN and SFO. I think that PR's most lucrative markets are still MNL - SFO/LAX/HNL.



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User currently offlineLPLAspotter From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3200 times:

All of Southern Califonia has huge Filipino populations. I lived in Riverside and there are alot of them there too (just trivia I'm not suggesting they fly into ONT).

Questions: Do they still fly into LAS and ORD?

Are they still planning resuming flights back to Europe?

LPLAspotter



Nuke the Gay Wales for Christ
User currently offlineN751PR From Japan, joined May 2002, 1249 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 10):
Questions: Do they still fly into LAS and ORD?

Are they still planning resuming flights back to Europe?

They still do LAS via YVR w/ an A343 and ORD has never been flown by PR since the 80s. As for Europe, the plans seem to be going on and off with reasons such as lack of long-haul aircraft to do the flight as well as heavy competition between Middle Eastern airlines. Maybe they could do something when they recieve more widebodies...



"Ladies and Gentlemen it's happy hour. You will get two approaches for the price of one."
User currently offlineLPLAspotter From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

Quoting N751PR (Reply 11):
They still do LAS via YVR w/ an A343 and ORD has never been flown by PR since the 80s. As for Europe, the plans seem to be going on and off with reasons such as lack of long-haul aircraft to do the flight as well as heavy competition between Middle Eastern airlines. Maybe they could do something when they recieve more widebodies...

Thanks for the info. Another question: I read your excellent trip report on LAX-MNL with a tech stop in HNL. Do you think your flight would have been better if you did the tech stop in GUM as they sometimes do now?

LPLAspotter



Nuke the Gay Wales for Christ
User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4938 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2938 times:

Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 12):
Do you think your flight would have been better if you did the tech stop in GUM as they sometimes do now?

It's much preferable to fly LAX-MNL direct, but not always practicable.

On the decision delay, might it have something to do with financing?

[Edited 2006-09-05 20:22:52]


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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2909 times:

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 13):
On the decision delay, might it have something to do with financing?

This would be my number one guess.

Or

Airbus and Boeing is not giving big enough concessions.

It would be better if PR just keep getting used aircraft.

There are a bunch of ex-UA B744 sitting in the desert. Also, AC is about to get rid of their A330/A340 fleet, so maybe PR can negotiate with AC for some of them.

Drew



AMS-LAX-MNL
User currently offlineN751PR From Japan, joined May 2002, 1249 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2877 times:

Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 12):
I read your excellent trip report on LAX-MNL with a tech stop in HNL. Do you think your flight would have been better if you did the tech stop in GUM as they sometimes do now?

Unfortunately I haven't been able to fly PR w/ their new tech stop in GUM yet it does look appealing as a stopover compared to HNL. A stopover in GUM sounds like I could be able to immediately snooze in my flight after the meal service without worrying to wake up a few hours later to prepare for landing in HNL. All flights now that did a stop in HNL has now been moved to GUM.

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 13):
On the decision delay, might it have something to do with financing?

It could be. Supposedly from what I'm getting, they're still looking into which aircraft to choose but indeed financing could also be a role in this delay.



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