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BWIA's L-1011 Replacement  
User currently offline220389 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (15 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1622 times:

Has anyone heard the latest on BWIA's L-1011 replacement. The last thing i heard is that they are evaluating it for the replacement and there is a slight disagreement with two main people at BWIA. One person wants the Boeing 767 and the other wants the Airbus A340 for the replacement aircraft. I think that the A330/A340 is the good choice for BWIA because in the future they probably want to start new destinations and these aircraft are quite reliable for them. I am not saying that Boeing aircraft are bad, im saying that they A330/A340 are the right choice for BWIA. Hopefully they should make up their mind on what they are doing by next month. Currently two of BWIA's L-1011's are grounded and two are in operations.

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User currently offline220389 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (15 years 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

can someone please update me on this situation.


User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4992 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (15 years 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1575 times:

I don't have any inside info..sorry. But the front runner for the replacement would probably be the A330-200 or 767-400. A340's range would be wasted on BWIAs routes and would likely end up costing more to operate and maintain.

User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (15 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

BWIA's main problem is that they have no money to replace them with. The L1011-500s they already have will provide sterling service for many years to come - if they look after them, which they don't.

There's major infighting going on between the CEO, who wants the B767; and the Chairman, who favours the A340. Given that BWIA has already had ETOPS problems, I'd say that they will be forced to go A340. That then means that there's no commonality anywhere in their fleet: DHC8, MD83, B737-800 and Airbus. What fantastic management, eh?!?!

User currently offlineGunpowder From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2000, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (15 years 8 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

Scratch MD-83s they are slated to be replaced by 737-800s over the next year or two.
Still quite a problem, though.
Rumour mill says BWee is under pressure to "buy" ailing Air Caribbean. Aleong is said to be "a little reluctant" as the price mentioned, even with help from Govt, is way out of line.
Too many consultants , right Ceilidh?
Just image the fleet mix if that wierd transaction took place.

User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (15 years 8 months 4 days ago) and read 1512 times:

Yep, Gunpowder ... imagine the consultancy fees available of you operate YS11s, B737-200s, B737-800s, MD83s, L1011s ... the spares logistics alone must be rather interesting!!

Ol' Conrad is certainly an expert at 'way out of line' pricing. Has he managed to explain to the Stock Exchange - and the government and shareholders (including employees) where US$20m in book value on the L1011s and spares has disappeared to? More to the point, has he been asked - and if not, why not??

I think we should be told....:D  

User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3297 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (15 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1475 times:

Well, the problem with Air Caribbean (C2) is precisely the use of the older planes. It obtained the 737-200s because they were relatively inexpensive to purchase but their relative inefficiency has cost the airline dearly. They would now like to get the 737-300 but do not have the finance base with which to get them. It also seems as though their thrust into Miami has hit them hard. MIA is a competitive route from POS but for an airline as small as C2 it is a very big leap to take. It may have been better off if it had consolidated its presence in the southern Caribbean with flights to St. Lucia and St. Vincent, for instance, before attempting to fight it out in MIA.

C2 at present has the 2 737s and 3 YS-11s active although the -11s are rotated in use. The other 3 sit silently on the ramp, mothballed.

If BW bought out C2, it would certainly dispose of the old planes immediately; its 737-800s and Dash 8 Q300s could easily serve C2's operations, particularly if does get the 4th Dash 8 which I hear it wants to obtain. That 4th plane would probably be dedicated to the Tobago airbridge.

I have heard nothing further about BW's TriStar replacements other than the row in its Board about it.

BTW, as a side, does anybody here know about Air Jamaica's fortunes in POS? Their service seems to be becoming erratic.


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