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AA 757's With P&W's (ex TWA)  
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5057 times:

As many of you already know, AA has a few 757-200's which are equiped with P&W engines rather than their majority of RR powered 757's.

The airline took these 757's when TWA was taken over by AA.

Are the aircraft based in any certain cities, or are they just randomly dotted around the AA network? I've seen a few at SAN and BWI in the past  Smile

I am due to fly BOS-MIA on an AA 752 in December, what are the chances I will receive a P&W 757?

Also are the cabins the same as the RR powered a/c?

I've read somewhere that the ex TWA 757's will be heading to DL (except one which is heading for Blue Panorama), is this true?


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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11517 posts, RR: 61
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5038 times:

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
Are the aircraft based in any certain cities, or are they just randomly dotted around the AA network?

They rotate through the system just like all other 757s without being distinguished, with a few exceptions because of operational considerations. Generally, though, when flying within the U.S., you could be on either a nAAtive or ex-TWA plane.

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
I am due to fly BOS-MIA on an AA 752 in December, what are the chances I will receive a P&W 757?

It's totally up to chance. Whatever plane happens to be flying into BOS that day or the day before. It could be either, but the odds are definitely in favor of it being a nAAtive plane, simply because AA has much, much more of them.

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
Also are the cabins the same as the RR powered a/c?

No. The seats are the TWA standard, although by now they may be recovered with the AA seat covers. Also, the TWA 757s have a mid-cabin lavatory, whereas the nAAtive 757s only have a lav at the front of First, one between First and Coach, and then a few at the back of Coach.

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
I've read somewhere that the ex TWA 757's will be heading to DL (except one which is heading for Blue Panorama), is this true?

It is. As the these ex-TWA 757s come off their leases with AA in the next two years, they will be refurbished and sent to Delta. AA doesn't want to keep operating a tiny subfleet with non-standard equipment.


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5031 times:

Commavia, thanks so much for the fast reply  Smile

Thanks for answering my questions so great also  Smile

Do the ex TWA birds have power ports also?

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
It is. As the these ex-TWA 757s come off their leases with AA in the next two years, they will be refurbished and sent to Delta. AA doesn't want to keep operating a tiny subfleet with non-standard equipment.

Wouldn't AA miss these 757's, or are multiple 738's enough to cover?

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4993 times:

I've flown on three different ex-TWA 757s in Y, and none of the three had the AA seat covers. Might have been the luck of the draw.

Two out of three times on the ex-TWA 757s I was flying DFW-BWI, the other flight being LAX-DFW.

American doesn't rotate its ex-TWA 757s as freely as the "nAAtive" aircraft. These aircraft rarely appear out of MIA, JFK or BOS (on STL-MIA and the occasional DFW-MIA), nor do they appear on any of the transatlantic or flights to Hawaii. These aircraft mostly operate to and from Dallas and St. Louis.

There isn't that great a chance you'll end up on an ex-TWA aircraft on BOS-MIA. You can check on AA.com by going to the seat map of the aircraft and seeing whether or not there is an overwing exit (nAAtive aircraft) or rear cabin door (TWA aircraft).


User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1025 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4957 times:

There is about 99.99 percent chance it will not be a TWA 757, We haven't had a ex TWA 757 for at least 3 years in BOS.

David
BOS



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User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 643 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4914 times:
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Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 3):
American doesn't rotate its ex-TWA 757s as freely as the "nAAtive" aircraft.

I believe that is because of crew requirements. From what I was told, the different exit door and cabin arrangement actually demands differently trained cabin crew. Not sure about cockpit crew (nor how much overlap there is in FAs trained for both).


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4914 times:

Thanks Guys  Smile

I will check the config, IIRC it was the overwing exit 752!

David, I am also travelling on the AA T7 from LHR, are these also rotated freely or does BOS tend to have the same range of 772's?

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4049 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4814 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
AA doesn't want to keep operating a tiny subfleet with non-standard equipment.

DL uses the P&W engines on all of their 752s. I'm not sure about the exact numbers DL will be getting. I know at least 10 for now and possibly 5-7 more in year two I'm told. All of these were previously ETOPs certified while serving TWA, and AA mostly used them on domestic routes as pointed out in posts above. They will be refurbished for DL's use and DL will re-certify these for ETOPs since it can be done cheaply compared to their present fleet of 121 P&W powered 752s. They will then use these to "right-size" some of their Europe flights from JFK as TWA previously did, as well as bring back their SLC-KOA flight with a right-size in the equipment needed for such service.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4774 times:

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 3):
I've flown on three different ex-TWA 757s in Y, and none of the three had the AA seat covers. Might have been the luck of the draw.

Two out of three times on the ex-TWA 757s I was flying DFW-BWI, the other flight being LAX-DFW.

I've flown on a bunch of ex-TWA 757's...I happen to like them more than AA's 757 for some reason...the exit row seatings are more spacious..and the tray tables are in the the front, rather than in the side..

my routes where I've gotten the ex-TWA 757's on ORD-SNA and some other routes..

I think this might be an ex-TWA 757...flew on it from DFW-JFK..but I'm not 100% sure..




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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4678 times:

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 3):
Do the ex TWA birds have power ports also?

Nope no power ports, which is why I learned to avoid them!

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 3):
Wouldn't AA miss these 757's, or are multiple 738's enough to cover?

American is point to point routes (mostly out of Boston) to make up for the capacity lost at DFW because of the impending withdrawal of the ex-TWA 757s. American Airlines and American Eagle don't have any new aircraft scheduled to arrive in 2006, 2007 or 2008, so through then, we'll see a dip in capacity.


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
am due to fly BOS-MIA on an AA 752 in December, what are the chances I will receive a P&W 757?

No chance, all 757 BOS-MIA are scheduled as AA 757 and not ex TWA, sorry.

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):

Also are the cabins the same as the RR powered a/c?

Nope, as others mentioned, gallery setting is different, the TWA 757's have more padding in their seats then the AA 757 do, and TWA seats in the 757 have 32 inches of pitch while AA's 757 have 31 inches of pitch.

Quoting B742 (Reply 2):

Do the ex TWA birds have power ports also?

As said TWA did not have Power ports.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):

That is an AA Bird, thats an RR Engine.

Alex



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User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4602 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 6):
I will check the config, IIRC it was the overwing exit 752!

That means no ex-TWA 757....


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3606 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
They rotate through the system just like all other 757s without being distinguished, with a few exceptions because of operational considerations. Generally, though, when flying within the U.S., you could be on either a nAAtive or ex-TWA plane.

They do seem to favor STL though. I've flown DFW-STL-DFW a number of times and when on a 757, it's always been an ex-TW 757. Could just be a coincidence, but they do circulate all over the domestic system.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
No. The seats are the TWA standard, although by now they may be recovered with the AA seat covers.

Every ex-TW 757 I've had the pleasure of flying on lately has had the standard issue TW seat covers, Y and F. I'd venture to guess it isn't possible to re-cover TW seats with nAAtive covers due to the differences in the seat design.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
It is. As the these ex-TWA 757s come off their leases with AA in the next two years, they will be refurbished and sent to Delta. AA doesn't want to keep operating a tiny subfleet with non-standard equipment.

That's true to an extent, DL has only taken 10 so far. A handful of ex-TW '57s have already left the fleet, gone to other airlines.



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User currently offlineJman40 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4543 times:

I have a question about the difference in the ex-TWA 757s and the nAAtives (other than the engines). It is probably pretty basic to many of you, but I am new here and am curious:

I don't understand the why the exits differ between the two types. They are both -200s, right? It would seem to me that the structural differences between "typical" overwing emergency exits (like on a 737) and the large exits (like on a 777) would be significant. Is this an option that AA and TWA exercised differently, or was it a change in design?

I've always wondered about that.....


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4532 times:

Quoting Jman40 (Reply 13):
I don't understand the why the exits differ between the two types. They are both -200s, right? It would seem to me that the structural differences between "typical" overwing emergency exits (like on a 737) and the large exits (like on a 777) would be significant. Is this an option that AA and TWA exercised differently, or was it a change in design?

In the cockpit, TWA has the switches differently then AA's 757. Thats the first thing, so at first TWA pilots from the 757 could NOT fly on the AA 757 due to different configurements.

2nd, TWA requested a mid gallery with a Lav in the middle, thereby giving a bit more space and room to move around.

3rd, TWA requested PW engines, when AA went for RR.

So there quite a few obvious differences, and of course you have the regs ending in TW and etc etc.

Hope this answered it.

Alex



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4500 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 10):

That is an AA Bird, thats an RR Engine.

Thanks for the correction!  checkmark 



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User currently offlineKevinDCA From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 105 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4487 times:

With the exception of the smaller overhead bins, the lack of power ports, and the almost complete lack of closets, I prefer the ex-TWA 757's over the AA version. It's possible to board the a/c at 2L easily because there aren't 2 seats in the way (9 B and C on the AA birds), and having the cabin broken up by the exits and lavs makes the plane seem more spacious, more of a wide-body feel I guess. I hope they see lots of life with their new owners!

User currently offlineLucky42 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4464 times:

Quoting Jman40 (Reply 13):
I don't understand the why the exits differ between the two types. They are both -200s, right?

You will notice that nw also has 2 different 757's they have pratt engines but the 55 series a/c have no over wing exits and the 56 series do.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4049 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

Quoting KevinDCA (Reply 16):
With the exception of the smaller overhead bins, the lack of power ports, and the almost complete lack of closets, I prefer the ex-TWA 757's over the AA version. It's possible to board the a/c at 2L easily because there aren't 2 seats in the way (9 B and C on the AA birds), and having the cabin broken up by the exits and lavs makes the plane seem more spacious, more of a wide-body feel I guess. I hope they see lots of life with their new owners!

DL is in dire need of more 752s like these former TWA birds and will put them to great use going from JFK to smaller less sizable Europe destinations, and from SLC and the west coast to OGG and KOA in Hawaii.



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User currently offlineMonorail From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 625 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet. Another noticable difference (and another reason why I like the ex-TW birds) is the IFE. Ex-TW's still have drop down LCD's rather than the ceiling mounted televisions you'd find in the nAAtive 757s and 738s. It does make a difference if you're trying to watch the programming.


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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4049 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

Quoting Monorail (Reply 19):
I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet. Another noticable difference (and another reason why I like the ex-TW birds) is the IFE. Ex-TW's still have drop down LCD's rather than the ceiling mounted televisions you'd find in the nAAtive 757s and 738s. It does make a difference if you're trying to watch the programming.

 checkmark 



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User currently offlineKevinDCA From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 105 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4427 times:

Quoting Monorail (Reply 19):
I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet. Another noticable difference (and another reason why I like the ex-TW birds) is the IFE. Ex-TW's still have drop down LCD's rather than the ceiling mounted televisions you'd find in the nAAtive 757s and 738s. It does make a difference if you're trying to watch the programming.

Very true. Viewing the IFE on AA aircraft is especially difficult from the window seats thanks to the expanded overhead bins. You almost have to crane your neck to see the screen from some seats!


User currently offlineAAtakeMeAway From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4279 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 12):
Every ex-TW 757 I've had the pleasure of flying on lately has had the standard issue TW seat covers, Y and F. I'd venture to guess it isn't possible to re-cover TW seats with nAAtive covers due to the differences in the seat design.

I don't know if they are the same type of seats or not, but the ex-TWA Super 80s have been recovered, but the seats were not replaced. So, if the ex-TWA 757s and Super 80s have the same seats then it would have been possible to recover the seats on the 757s; they just chose not to because the subfleet wasn't going to be staying with AA long term. That's just my guess though  Smile


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