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Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok  
User currently offlineCarnoc From China, joined Oct 2001, 875 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3993 times:

Dragonair has announced it will be cancelling services to Bangkok with effect from September 27. The decision has been taken for commercial reasons.

Full info available at http://en.carnoc.com/list/0/982.html

Regards.

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User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

The Commercial reason being they are now owned by Cathay Pacific and CX dont want them there... I can expect Tokyo to go bye bye soon.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3817 times:

According to Dragonair the cancellation is due to the lack of demand.

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 2):
According to Dragonair the cancellation is due to the lack of demand.

I suspect it has more to do with CX operating on the sector, as well as:

1. Air Asia and numerous other LCC's
2. A number of foreign carriers serving the route, including.

China Airlines
Emirates
Ethiopian Airlines
Gulf Air
Kenya Airways
Pakistan International Airlines
Sri Lankan Airlines


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4785 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3670 times:

doesnt Dragonair also fly to SYD? if so then I would expect CX to take them out of that route too.

CX will make dragonair focus on its core routes which are HKG-China, HKG-DAC etc.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3659 times:

I have a feeling that CX are going to take over their international services in a years time, they already do operate to all of them with the exception of Dhaka, Kota Kinabalu plus Bandar Seri Begawan, the latter two being code share.

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

Or maybe they will make Dragonair what Silkair is for Singapore Airlines.
As the smallest aircraft of Cathay is the A-330-300, they might want to use Dragonairs narrowbodies on lighter routes to secundairy cities in South east Asia, like Vientiane, Chiang Mai, Cebu, Kaoshiung, Yangon etc while their own A-330s will continue to go to the big Chinese routes.



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3560 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 4):
doesnt Dragonair also fly to SYD? if so then I would expect CX to take them out of that route too.

They had plans to fly to SYD but everything is put on hold. Doubt they will start HKG-SYD anytime soon, if ever


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 3):
2. A number of foreign carriers serving the route, including.

China Airlines
Emirates
Ethiopian Airlines
Gulf Air
Kenya Airways
Pakistan International Airlines
Sri Lankan Airlines

Just want to add a few more:

Orient Thai
Thai Sky
Air India
and of course the obvious:
Thai

There is approx. 5000 seats a day.....No wonder Dragonair is getting out.

But it brings up another question....

How many other city-pairs have 10+ airlines serving the route? I can't think of any others?



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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6605 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

Expect Dragonair to have their fleet used as part of Cathay's soon. If say a certain flight to Shanghai is overbooked then they can put a 777-300 on the flight....if a CX flight is particularly empty, then they can put an A320 on it. They are going to treat all the planes as being part of the same fleet....not 'them' and 'us'.

Once things have settled down a bit, and route intergration and sales and marketing are brought together, we can expect Dragonair to gain more passengers, fed by Cathay, and launch new routes and relaunch older ones like Phuket, which is expected to be one of the first 'new' routes to benefit from the takeover.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 8):
number of foreign carriers serving the route



Quoting Stirling (Reply 8):
Orient Thai
Thai Sky
Air India
and of course the obvious:
Thai

OK, add AI and AY to the list...

Orient Thai, Thai Sky and TG are not "foreign carriers" on the BKK-HKG sector...


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 10):
Orient Thai, Thai Sky and TG are not "foreign carriers" on the BKK-HKG sector

I know...I was illustrating the heavy competition on the route.
 Wink



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2956 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

Or perhaps, KA doesn't want to move shop to the new airport whenever that opens. Whenever it does, there will the enough problems, that KA doesn't want to deal with angry/frustrated, etc. pax.

User currently offlineMRURUN From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3037 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 8):
How many other city-pairs have 10+ airlines serving the route? I can't think of any others?

Taking City Pairs LON -NYC has EOS, Maxjet,CO, UA, AA, AI, KU, BA, VS, DL.


User currently offlineWillyj From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

Quoting MRURUN (Reply 13):
Taking City Pairs LON -NYC has EOS, Maxjet,CO, UA, AA, AI, KU, BA, VS, DL.

You can't count both UA and DL as Delta is the route over from United. But 9 is a lot anyhow, and isn't there a new business class airline that is looking to start-up flights into EWR?


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11640 posts, RR: 61
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2911 times:

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 9):
launch new routes and relaunch older ones like Phuket, which is expected to be one of the first 'new' routes to benefit from the takeover.

What new routes or relaunched old ones are rumored to be coming along in the near future? Phuket would be wonderful, but what else?


User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 42
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 8):
How many other city-pairs have 10+ airlines serving the route? I can't think of any others?

BKK-SIN

3K - Jetstar
AY - Finnair
BG - Biman Bangladesh
CX - Cathay Pacific
FD - Thai Air Asia
GA - Garuda Indonesia
LX - Swiss
SQ - Singapore Airlines
TG - Thai Airways
TR - Tiger Airways

That's 10. SK/TK/VF recently ended their flights.



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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6605 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 15):
What new routes or relaunched old ones are rumored to be coming along in the near future? Phuket would be wonderful, but what else?

Thats the only one I can put a name to at the moment I'm afraid. The company are being very tight lipped about this whole process as they are waiting for final shareholder approval in many different areas of the takeover before the slowly release more details.


User currently offlinePresRDC From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 661 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 9):
Expect Dragonair to have their fleet used as part of Cathay's soon. If say a certain flight to Shanghai is overbooked then they can put a 777-300 on the flight....if a CX flight is particularly empty, then they can put an A320 on it. They are going to treat all the planes as being part of the same fleet....not 'them' and 'us'.

If that is the plan, I hope CX plans to upgrade KA's premium cabins to CX standards. If I bought a J class ticket on CX and find myself on a KA single aisle Airbus, I'd not be a happy camper. Seeing as KA's F seats are essentially identical to CX's longhaul J seats, the problem is even bigger for F passengers.


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

Will the Dragonair name remain after the takeover or will it totally be integrated/ absorbed into Cathay. If it is to be separate, how extensive a chinese network do they have and will they join OneWorld?? Just very interested since I was in HKG a few days ago for the first time!

Cheers
AA1818



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks ago) and read 2627 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 19):
how extensive a chinese network do they have



User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 19):
Will the Dragonair name remain after the takeover or will it totally be integrated/ absorbed into Cathay. If it is to be separate, how extensive a chinese network do they have and will they join OneWorld?? Just very interested since I was in HKG a few days ago for the first time!

Under the agreement, the Dragonair name and brand must be maintained for six years.
After that, who knows.

They may come up with an SQ/Silkair arrangement, and keep the two brands.
The KA brand is very strong, and would also make it easier for other carriers to use it to feed from HKG to China.

Product wise it would be easier as well.
KA maintains just an A320/A330 fleet with a regional config if sectors are less than 3-4 hours, while CX redeploys to medium/long haul destinations.

I can see CX taking over PEK and PVG only, and leaving the rest to KA!


User currently offlineArturo88 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2440 times:

They cancel because their don´t having demand cause there are many airlines covering that rout.

User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

How are KA's services to Bandar Seri Begwan and Urumqi doing? Do they have local traffic rights between Shenyang and Dalian? Are there any new routes in the pipelines?

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

Bandar Seri Begwan is only a code share destination on Royal Brunei flights, Urumqi is only served as a seasonal scheduled charter route.

Dhaka is the only non Far East market in their passenger network making it an oddity, it should go to CX.


25 Lufthansa747 : Last time I was on an ORBC configured CX 772, it was nothing to write home about. Lousy PTV that wouldn't stay straight, broken recline meaning it wo
26 FXMD11 : ALSO: RA flies Monday RA413 KTM-BKK-SIN (the return as RA414 flies nonstop back to KTM) I see the RA 757 (mostly 9N-ACA) during my nightshifts. It co
27 CX flyboy : Sorry to hear you had a bad experience. The seat recline would not have been acceptable and would have beena safety issue which the engineers would h
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