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All AF Flights To The US Now From Terminal 2E@CDG  
User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7633 times:

I just found a note in my recent flying blue newsletter, that Air France has moved all flights from and to the US at CDG to Terminal 2E now. I did a check on their online flight plans and found that news confirmed - I checked some flights I had previously been on or are scheduled to be on soon which I know to have been scheduled to depart/arrive at terminal 2C, and all of them have been moved to 2E.

I think that's really sad, I prefer 2C way over 2E - it's just a real terminal as opposed to that interim solution 2E constitutes in its current shape. Plus, most of the times I need to connect to (or from) a Schengen flight leaving from or arriving at 2D, so when I'm on a tight connection the probability to make the connection is much higher when connecting to or from 2C. Does anyone know why they changed that and how the situation is gonna develop once Sattelite S3 is finished?


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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7616 times:

It is going to reduce the congestion in peak hours, which is IMO worth such an interim solution until Aérogare 2E is fully rebuilt.


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User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7611 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 1):
It is going to reduce the congestion in peak hours, which is IMO worth such an interim solution until Aérogare 2E is fully rebuilt.

I'm not too sure about that.... as far as I understand, the number of actual flights from 2E and 2C haven't changed... they just moved all AF US flights to 2E and instead some others (as far as I can see esp. Middle East and Middle America) to 2C....



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User currently offlineJobalas From France, joined Mar 2001, 146 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7545 times:

all US flight except DTW and CVG


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User currently offlineJouy31 From France, joined May 2003, 447 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7508 times:

The reason is specific security screenings for flights to the US. Doing the additional screenings in the jetways in 2C was apparently a huge burden. So having (most) flights centralized in 2E is a good choice. Similarly, in 2F2, flights to the UK now board by bus via the bus gates, with a secondary security screening at the top of the escalators, before going down to the bus gates.

As for S3, it will definitely be an improvement, but its opening will be phased between Spring and Fall 2007, slightly behind schedule, so CDG will still be missing one terminal with respect to their original plans. CDG 2E should be fully re-opened for Summer 2008, at the time when CDG 2G, a regional aircraft terminal opens. So, 2008 should be a good year for CDG. And S4 is looming on the horizon, ADP wants it for 2012, and AF for 2010 ...


User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7334 times:

Jouy31, thanks for your reply  Smile.

Is there any information/speculation out yet, which flights will be moved to S3? Also, how is S3 going to be connected to the existing terminals? Just be extension of the airside bus route?

Btw, is it possible to clear security and passport control in 2C or 2B and then taking the airside bus to 2E when departing from there?



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User currently offlineJouy31 From France, joined May 2003, 447 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7282 times:

Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 5):
Is there any information/speculation out yet, which flights will be moved to S3? Also, how is S3 going to be connected to the existing terminals? Just be extension of the airside bus route?


Well, looking at the big picture, 2F2 which is currently a non-Schengen terminal should one day become a Schengen terminal, just like 2F1. (Interestingly, 2B was one half Schengen / one half non-Schengen terminal before the roof collapse in 2E, on the verge of becoming a fully Schengen terminal, like 2D - and it quickly reverted to a fully non-Schengen terminal   ). S3 is supposed to manage both Schengen and non-Schengen flights, both medium-haul and long-haul flights. In any case, I understand that the first A380 to use CDG2 will use the S3 gates. I guess once S3, 2G and 2E are fully operational, AF will leave 2A and 2B (move originally scheduled for 2006 ..), and later on, 2C and 2D: the "great leap eastward" for AF. The 2F/2E/S3/S4/2G combination should become a very efficient and successful hub for AF.

I suppose there will be an extension to the airside bus. But S3 should be connected to 2E, at the isthmus building, via an airside VAL line, and to 2F via simple moving walkways, in an airy gallery, similar to the ones connecting the TGV/RER station to 2C, 2D, 2E and 2F.

Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 5):
Btw, is it possible to clear security and passport control in 2C or 2B and then taking the airside bus to 2E when departing from there?

I am afraid ADP has a regulation similar to BAA's which forces you to clear immigration upon departure in the terminal your flight leaves from. In any case, you would need to clear security when arriving in the departures area of any CDG terminal, like in FCO, MXP or LHR, which is different from what you can experience in AMS.

Hope it helps  Smile

[Edited 2006-09-07 20:54:32]

User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7242 times:

I just checked my own flights:

AF 83 SFO-CDG arriving CDG on 1 Nov
AF 84 CDG-SFO on 12 Nov

Both are still showing 2C. This is the case on both Air France's website and on ADP's website.


User currently offlineJouy31 From France, joined May 2003, 447 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7224 times:

Either they have not updated the information for the winter season, or they may still have changes planned at that time (October 29th)

User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2152 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7189 times:

Jouy31

Merci pour ces infos. Very helpful, a lot of stuff I didn't know.

Quoting Jouy31 (Reply 4):
As for S3, it will definitely be an improvement, but its opening will be phased between Spring and Fall 2007, slightly behind schedule,

As usual with ADP. They really spare no effort to retain their title as "worst managed airport company in the Western world"



Quoting Jouy31 (Reply 4):
And S4 is looming on the horizon, ADP wants it for 2012, and AF for 2010 ...

The last time a terminal was finished in a rush, its roof collapsed nine months later. Not a good idea.

Quoting Jouy31 (Reply 6):
Well, looking at the big picture, 2F2 which is currently a non-Schengen terminal should one day become a Schengen terminal, just like 2F1. (Interestingly, 2B was one half Schengen / one half non-Schengen terminal before the roof collapse in 2E, on the verge of becoming a fully Schengen terminal, like 2D - and it quickly reverted to a fully non-Schengen terminal ). S3 is supposed to manage both Schengen and non-Schengen flights, both medium-haul and long-haul flights. In any case, I understand that the first A380 to use CDG2 will use the S3 gates. I guess once S3, 2G and 2E are fully operational, AF will leave 2A and 2B (move originally scheduled for 2006 ..), and later on, 2C and 2D: the "great leap eastward" for AF. The 2F/2E/S3/S4/2G combination should become a very efficient and successful hub for AF.

I suppose there will be an extension to the airside bus. But S3 should be connected to 2E, at the isthmus building, via an airside VAL line, and to 2F via simple moving walkways, in an airy gallery, similar to the ones connecting the TGV/RER station to 2C, 2D, 2E and 2F.

Is there anywhere one can see a plan of the future construction and who will use them?


User currently offlineJouy31 From France, joined May 2003, 447 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7166 times:

There is some information about S3 on the ADP web site, as well as a huge (348 pages) document prepared for the possible privatization of ADP on the AMF (Autorite des Marches Financiers) web site (no direct link is possible for regulatory reasons, but you can find it easily), which details the forecasted ADP investments, including CDG4 in 2016.

User currently offlineJouy31 From France, joined May 2003, 447 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6985 times:

Quoting Mozart (Reply 9):
The last time a terminal was finished in a rush, its roof collapsed nine months later. Not a good idea.

I agree that bringing forward the opening of a satellite under construction such as S3 would be hazardous. In the case of S4, it is more a budget problem. No actual construction work has started, and as for planning, S4 should be very similar to S3.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6941 times:

In other words, tranferring at CDG will still suck. No change there then. I avoid CDG transfers, along with LHR and MXP, the worst 3 airports in Europe for transfers. ADP designed CDG for people arriving at or departing from Paris - a very Parisian attitude. Everyone else is either foreign or (worse) from "les provinces", and therefore unworthy of convenience or service.

User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6860 times:

Quoting Jrlander (Reply 7):
I just checked my own flights:

AF 83 SFO-CDG arriving CDG on 1 Nov
AF 84 CDG-SFO on 12 Nov

Both are still showing 2C. This is the case on both Air France's website and on ADP's website.

your inbound AF83 may still arrive at 2C but your return flight AF84 to SFO will sure depart from 2E. As said by Jobalas, all flights departing or the US have moved to 2E except CVG and DTW


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