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United To Finally Install PTV's On 747's In Coach?  
User currently offlineSurf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4003 times:

If you go to their website and the seat maps section, and click on the 747-400-OB they have links for their new First, Business, and Coach seats. The description for the coach seats talks about individual seatback video with 9 channels of programming. So I guess this means they are going to finally install them. Well, I hope so. Can anyone confirm this?

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User currently offlineAspen1 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3880 times:

you miss understood what u read. United accidently put that same picture with the text under the economy class seat for all aircraft with the new seats including the 757 a320. As of now 747's will not recieve ptv in coach

User currently offlineSurf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3872 times:

I guess it's just too much to ask of United to give passengers PTV's on 14 hour + flights. Sheesh. Well If Qantas does it, they will follow suit. They did after Qantas put in flat bed seats in first. I hope they do, it's just so backwards to NOT have them in coach for long haul flights like that.

User currently offlineSurf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

Aspen let me ask you also, where you get your information? You say lot's of things about United doing this and doing that but every time I've asked you where you get your information from you never answer. You said United was doing away with the 747-400-OP configuration, I asked you how you knew that, you never answered. Where do you get your information from?

User currently offlineSurf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

I just looked at the seat maps again. If you read the text it talks about "economy and long range comfort" and "select rows" of Economy Plus. I dont think it was nessecarily a mistake. On three class aircraft, Econonmy Plus is not available. So probably the seat picture and caption was meant to apply to both long range three class aircraft and domestic two class aircraft. On domestic routes, the new coach seats will have the head
rests and Economy Plus, but no PTV's. On international three class flights they will not have Economy Plus, but they will have PTV's. Make sense?


User currently offlineAspen1 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

U ask where I get my information? Well from first had experience, flight attendants, and pilots. I fly united alot, about 50,000 miles a year. In United's old ticket office on michigan avenue in chicago they had a book of seat maps of united's fleet (not in the time tables book a seperate one). In this book dated 1/1/99 it states for the 747-400 ob "transitioning to 747-ob to inculde all ob features." This is not the only indiction of united doing this. United own website indicates this. As for me knowing that the 767-200 will have there interiors redone, well it is indicated in the time table books.

Why would united worry about installing ptv in economy on there 747 when half of them dont even have the new first class suites? which is more important? You dont seem to understand that an airline is in it for the business. United is competeing with other airlines. Compitition to austraila and asia isnt as strong as it is to europe. That is why personal tv's were implemented on those routes. FLY777UAL even indicated that they will not be putting in ptv on 747.
If united were to put ptv in coach on 747 then they would most likely raise fares to pay for the instillation. Would u rather pay more and get a tv or pay less?
If you want your own tv surf fly business or first class?
How many miles do you fly a year on united?

As regards to you saying "why dont u answer where i get my information from" I have a life. i dont sit on this computer all day and wait for posts on the board. things take a while


User currently offlineSurf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

First of all, you I think you misread what United says when it said that the OP was transitioning to all the features of the OB. What they mean by that is the First Suites, lap top ports, PTV's and the like; not re-configuring the seating ("This aircraft will feature all of United's new 747 amenities, including First Suite, by the end of the year 200" - from the timetable). Secondly, United competes head to head with Qantas on it's routes to Australia and it was only after Qantas installed fully flat bed seats from LAX to SYD on it's 744's that United announced they were doing the same, and the LAX-SYD route was one of the first to get it. I never asked you about United's 762's, and I saw the same very brief and vauge info in the timetable as well ("This aircraft is targeted for new amenity upgrades beginning 2001"). I hear Qantas is now putting PTV's in coach on their 744's, so I'm sure United will follow suit.

As for flying in First of Business on United, I do; I non-rev up there all the time.


Third, for someone who claims to know so much about United, you sure made some ignorant comments in a post in another thread about how "no one will pay for business class on Hawaii routes" and "United would never schedule a 744 from LAX to Hawaii unless it was a last minute equipment change", but you were proven wrong on that. Seems to me you get most of your information from heresay or guessing.

And finally, settle down boy....all I did is ask you where you get your information from on more than one occasion and it is only now you answered. Maybe you were too busy to check the board in awhile. But there is no reason for you to become boorish. But then again, teenagers to have a tendency to shoot their mouths off, especially arrogant ones from B.H.


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

Surf, United didn't install the United First Suite just because QF did. Has it ever come to your attention that United flies more routes than just to Australia, and on those routes, they have competitors (OTHER THAN QF) who have flat-beds?!
And as far as LAX-SYD being one of the first routes to receive the United First Suite, SEL, NRT, KIX, HKG, and HNL all received the Suite BEFORE SYD...

Thirdly, if you look at the loads for Hawaii-bound flights, almost no one DOES pay for Business Class!! Economy will be overbooked by 50 people, but there will still be about 2/3 or Business Class (and First) still open!

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

Well said Fly777UAL

User currently offlineSurf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3796 times:

I'm sorry but I stand by my assertion that it was shortly after Qantas announced fully flat bed seats that United decided to install them. BA had the seats since '96 on routes United flew and United did NOTHING. Also, my brother is a Flight Attendant for UAL based in SFO and has flown the 744 from SFO to HNL and even LAX from HNL (as well as my mother as a passenger, on more times than I can count) and on each time the Business section of the flight was FULL. So full, that my mother ended up in coach on more than one occasion. FLY777UAL, tell me where you get your information that no one DOES pay for business class? I know you dont work for the airline either (you work for the GAP in SMF at, where? Arden Fair? Downtown Plaza? Perhaps Sunrise Mall?), so tell me what one of your parents does for United, as you've stated in the past the you get to fly on UAL "courtesy of mommy and daddies benefits" (a quote), so please show me the source of your reliable information? Please, reveal your sources. Same as well for you ILUV767. You're too young to work for the airline yourself (13-15), so where do you get your info?

User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3791 times:

United installed the United First Suite first on the 777's with the planned installation on the 747-400 fleet long before QF.

My information comes directly from the company, either through my mother, company documents, Skynet, or contacts inside upper management. Next time you talk to your brother, bring up these people's names:
-Charlie Ahmes (Director of International Onboard Services)
-Frank Cargle (Director of Onboard Product Planning)
-Susan Fahy (747 Onboard Fleet projects)
-William Guidici (Seating products-UF Suite and Int'l FC Seat programs)
...the list goes on an on. E-mail is such a blessing.

For the fact that no one does pay for Business Class to Hawaii, I get my information straight from the horse's mouth. When at home, Apollo, United's reservation system, is a wonderful tool. But when at the airport waiting for a- flight to Hawaii, try out the "Standby Shuffle" move (stand to the back and side of the podium, looking at the computer screens). You'll see that Business, and in most cases, First, are wide open. Scroll a little farther down the screen, and you'll see the names of many, many people hoping for upgrades to both classes (which partly explains why your mom couldn't get into BC--the other half is probably due to seniority of other SA passengers).

Your powers of deduction amaze me, Surf. I really don't have a clue as to how you found out that I didn't work for the airlines...  (By the way...thanks for going to gap online!)

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineSurf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3786 times:

Yes I'm sure you know all these people personally.

First is never wide open on Hawaii flights.

We have apollo at home.

And no, I didn't visit Gap online, My family lives in Folsom.


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3780 times:

Sorry to burst your bubble, but did I ever say that I knew ANY of those people personally? No. I have had several correspondences with each of them. If you look more indepth, you'll see that I have written "E-mail is such a blessing". Do you think I "virtual cocktail" with them all the time?!

"First is never wide open on Hawaii flights."
Whatever...believe what you want to believe, especially since you "have apollo at home".  

Aaahhh...Folsom...May I inquire whereabouts in Folsom? It wouldn't be the State Pen., would it?

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L



User currently offlineSurf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3774 times:

I expected that crack about Folsom would be coming (even though it happens to be one of the most desireable places to live in Sacramento county)...you better get back to flexing those wrists while folding jeans...

You believe what *you* want to believe.


User currently offlineSurf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3769 times:

....and when you are non-revving, please check in at the gate, take your departure management card, and *sit down* and wait for your name to be called!. The gate agents must become very annoyed with you hanging around trying to look over their shoulders at the res screens!

User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3767 times:

"Folsom" and "desireable"...there's an oxymoron!

Ask your relatives what they think of Granite Bay

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3766 times:

I don't look over their shoulders...just look through the cracks of the display wall behind the podium to see how many people (if any) are infront of me.

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineSurf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

Granite Bay is nice too so what? Does that make you special? Ever been into the Los Cerros section of Folsom? How 'bout Beacon Hill? How 'bout American River? How 'bout what is your point?

You must be thinking of Ranco Cordova.....


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3757 times:

Had to laugh at how far off-topic we've become!  

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6672 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3755 times:

United Airlines did announce that they were going to install PTVs in the 744s a few years ago. Then they decided that the First Suite was more important and the PTVs in economy class on the 744s have been deferred to beyond 2002. This was menioned in UAL Newsreal about year and half ago to two years ago. I agree though, that it would make a lot of sense to put PTVs on the planes that fly the longest routes. I'm sure they will be installed eventually. The777Man


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