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MKE Concourse "C" Expansion  
User currently offlinePhxtravelboy From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 187 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3981 times:

Does anyone know who is going to occupy the 8 new gates at the end of concourse "C"? I know that there is that temporary extension to the concourse with something like 4 gates, but will the carriers using those gates then occupy the new gates when the temporarty structure is torn down? It seems to me like some of the new gates may be available, opening up the possibility of a new carrier. Or will HP/US relocate to those gates,finally allowing YX to occupy all of concourse "D"? Anyone know?

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User currently offlinePilotfox From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 552 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3954 times:

From what I understand HP/US will move over there once the new gates in C are open up. Midwest will then have all of D. It may not seem like YX needs more gates, but in the mornings when any small delays occur planes are stuck waiting for a open gate. These news gates will help to fix that.

User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2896 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Quoting Pilotfox (Reply 1):
From what I understand HP/US will move over there once the new gates in C are open up. Midwest will then have all of D. It may not seem like YX needs more gates, but in the mornings when any small delays occur planes are stuck waiting for a open gate. These news gates will help to fix that.

Currently they have 12 jetways and 14 parking spots, and three of those jetways are for gates than cannot park the M80. The upcoming winter schedule has 20 aircraft at gates between 6:30am and 8:20am. It works okay if delays are fairly minimal. But just as often it's a struggle in winter to make it work out without too many delays and gate changes. A common, frustrating scenario is when a comparably minor snow event in the midwest makes for relatively run-of-the mill delays in the early am block at MKE, but the east coast inbounds from BOS / LGA / EWR / PHL / DCA / ATL launch on time and sit for 20-30 minutes looking for gates. There are last minut e gate changes, missed connections and rolling delays that take all day to recover from.

Like most hub operations, Midwest has big gaps during the day with few aircraft on the ground. But it's definitely tight in the morning without another gate or two. And as the M80 replacements arrive down the road a bit, they will probably add a few more flights.


User currently offlineVivavegas From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 505 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

Are the "temporary" digs in "C" staying? Or as I joke with my co-workers "where MKE airport furniture comes to die"

One word... "ratty"

Craig
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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3870 times:

Quoting Phxtravelboy (Thread starter):
Does anyone know who is going to occupy the 8 new gates at the end of concourse "C"? I know that there is that temporary extension to the concourse with something like 4 gates, but will the carriers using those gates then occupy the new gates when the temporarty structure is torn down?

I've always been under the impression that there would be a net increase in gates, even with YX occupying all of C and those remaining tenants (US/HP, UA, AC, etc.) moving to fill some of the new space. So one would think that it was built for some future accomodations; it would seem silly not to.

On that note, any peep on DL moving over to E? Or is putting all of the SkyTeam members in one concourse just an unnecessary relocation?

-Mike



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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2896 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3858 times:

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 4):
I've always been under the impression that there would be a net increase in gates, even with YX occupying all of C and those remaining tenants (US/HP, UA, AC, etc.) moving to fill some of the new space. So one would think that it was built for some future accomodations; it would seem silly not to.

Should still have some open gates for additional carriers and expansion.

16 gates in C:

UA/AC 2
AA 2
FL 2
DL 2
US 2
F9 1

That leaves five gates unassigned as things would currently appear. Of course things could change. Maybe AA wants a 3rd gate. Maybe DL does want to move to E. At this point it appears USA3000 is not returning to Milwaukee this winter with scheduled service. But there are invariably snowbird charters from somebody every winter that need gates.


User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2374 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

Quoting Pilotfox (Reply 1):
It may not seem like YX needs more gates, but in the mornings when any small delays occur planes are stuck waiting for a open gate. These news gates will help to fix that.



Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 2):
Currently they have 12 jetways and 14 parking spots, and three of those jetways are for gates than cannot park the M80. The upcoming winter schedule has 20 aircraft at gates between 6:30am and 8:20am. It works okay if delays are fairly minimal. But just as often it's a struggle in winter to make it work out without too many delays and gate changes. A common, frustrating scenario is when a comparably minor snow event in the midwest makes for relatively run-of-the mill delays in the early am block at MKE, but the east coast inbounds from BOS / LGA / EWR / PHL / DCA / ATL launch on time and sit for 20-30 minutes looking for gates. There are last minut e gate changes, missed connections and rolling delays that take all day to recover from.

I can't wait! Waiting for the MD-80 7:30 TPA to be tugged over from the hanger in winter, with all the backed up flights as you described, can become a clown-car circus act.


User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3685 times:

Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 3):
Are the "temporary" digs in "C" staying? Or as I joke with my co-workers "where MKE airport furniture comes to die"

One word... "ratty"

 checkmark Agreed. If they are gonna keep that around they better fix it up a bit. Its very plain inside and if you wanna use the bathroom you have to walk all the way to the main councourse C gates.

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 4):
On that note, any peep on DL moving over to E? Or is putting all of the SkyTeam members in one concourse just an unnecessary relocation?

Well right now on the MKE website it says FL is currently in C, but I've been told this is due to renovation in E. And I also think there would be an issue with DL going to E because of a lack of space to park aircraft, or so I've heard.

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 5):
At this point it appears USA3000 is not returning to Milwaukee this winter with scheduled service.

I wish they'd stay. Flew them last year to PUJ and was impressed. I remmeber seeing on here they were gonna disontinue CUN but not completely pull out.



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User currently offlineSkyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 3):
Are the "temporary" digs in "C" staying? Or as I joke with my co-workers "where MKE airport furniture comes to die"

One word... "ratty"

Word around the airport is that they will be torn down once all is done. As for ratty, the gates aren't bad for temp gates, very nice in my opinion, I've seen worse.


User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2896 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3646 times:

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 7):
I wish they'd stay. Flew them last year to PUJ and was impressed. I remmeber seeing on here they were gonna disontinue CUN but not completely pull out.

Pretty much every year there are regular chartered flights from Milwaukee to various places in Mexico and the Caribbean. It can vary from year to year who flies them, and perhaps USA 3000 still has some of this work lined up. But in years past they have had regular, scheduled flights from Milwaukee to Orlando and/or Fort Myers, and those don't appear to be coming back this winter.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3643 times:
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Quoting Pilotfox (Reply 1):
From what I understand HP/US will move over there once the new gates in C are open up

US/HP signed a lease not to long ago to keep them in D for a few more years. Remember that most airlines in MKE are signatory members and cannot be forced to move against their will.

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 7):
Well right now on the MKE website it says FL is currently in C, but I've been told this is due to renovation in E.

We will be moving back to E60 and E61 very shortly. We are just waiting on the gate podiums to arrive. I for one cant wait to get back to E, that way we can continue our rivalry with the old coots who work on the Northwest ramp.

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 5):
Should still have some open gates for additional carriers and expansion.

16 gates in C:

UA/AC 2
AA 2
FL 2
DL 2
US 2
F9 1

Actually the airport is trying to get us (FL) to take three gates on the new C concourse for a reduced rate.



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User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

hmm... If there are extra gates, could there be a chance of bringing in a new carrier, like B6 or G4 for example?


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User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3571 times:

Quoting Piercey (Reply 11):
hmm... If there are extra gates, could there be a chance of bringing in a new carrier, like B6 or G4 for example?

G4 already has some charter flights to/from MKE, but I doubt they would start regular service, since they tend to stay away from big cities and go for the smaller regional ones.



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