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Why A Different Airlines For Dubai & Abu Dhabi?  
User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1182 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9765 times:

I was wondering, since Dubai and Abu Dhabi are in the same country, why do they have two main different airlines and not just one? Say, Emirates?

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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9740 times:

Its a Long Drive DXB AUH and no flights......

User currently offlineAntonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9721 times:

are they in the same country ? well yes i guess they are , the united arab emirates, but they are from a differant "emirate" arent they ? i think its a bit like having air england, air scotland and air wales

User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3874 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9706 times:

I'm sure its a good thing... promotes competition...

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9687 times:

Every Royal Family of every seperate Emirate has it's own Ego to worry about these days, hence why Abu Dhabi chose not to be a co-owner of Gulf Air anymore and instead go at it alone with Etihad.

Quoting COSPN (Reply 2):
Its a Long Drive DXB AUH and no flights......

Roughly 75 miles airport-to-airport on a 4-line devided freeway, not really a long drive.


User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9660 times:

For every Emirati citizen there are 4 foreigners who live and work in the UAE .
There are almost 800.000 Emirati and about 3.2 Million foreigners . Now these foreigners travel back and forth every year to/from their home countries , and if you add business and tourism trips plus transit pax , that's a big market .
The United Arab Emirates have 3 Airlines :
Etihad of Abu Dhabi .
Emirates of Dubai .
Arabiya of Sharjah ( an LCC ) .
And there is another emirate that is planning to have its own Airline , i believe it is Al Fujaira .

[Edited 2006-09-08 01:05:23]


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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3874 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9640 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 6):
Arabiya of Sharjah ( an LCC ) .

Air Arabia?


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2177 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9606 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter):
since Dubai and Abu Dhabi are in the same country, why do they have two main different airlines and not just one?

Do you mean state-owned? Otherwise, I don't understand your point.

In that case, they are more precisely emirate-owned (please correct me if I'm wrong!), and Abu Dhabi and Dubai are 2 different emirates.

China would be the country having the most comparable system, although all the different airlines are owned by the same central government, but all based in different parts of the country.



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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9547 times:

It seems to me there would be a shake-out of the Gulf area carriers.

Etihad
Qatar
Emirates
Gulf
Kuwait
Saudi Arabian
Yemenia

It seems like a huge concentration of airlines in a relatively small area. And I know it seems all of them are ordering large amounts of planes. Something will have to give at some point.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7459 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9458 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter):
was wondering, since Dubai and Abu Dhabi are in the same country, why do they have two main different airlines and not just one?

There is the Emirates thing. But BA, BD and VS are not only based in the same country but at the same airport. Competition is good for the consumer.

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 9):
It seems to me there would be a shake-out of the Gulf area carriers.

Etihad
Qatar
Emirates
Gulf
Kuwait
Saudi Arabian
Yemenia

Yemania is based in Sana which must be at least 1,000 miles from the Gulf. The bases of the likes of Royal Jordanian, Syrian, Middle East Airlines, Oman Airways, Iran Air, Pakistan International and even some of the Indian airlines are all probably closer to the Gulf.

Saudi Arabia is large geographically. For example it is around 700 miles from arguably its commercial centre, Jiddah (on the Red Sea coast) to its 'oil' capital, Dammam (close to Bahrain on the Gulf coast). And the surface transport links are very poor from the Gulf to the Red Sea and from both to the capital, Riyadh. So Saudi Arabia needs a domestic airline and, with its oil wealth, can afford an international airline.

Etihad, Emirates and Gulf could be based almost anywhere between the eastern Mediterranean and Malaysia. The compete with each other and Singapore Airlines and Thai to carry passengers from Europe to their hub and then on to the Far East and Australasia. They also compete for passengers flying from Europe to southern Africa.

Both India and China are within this operating area. The combined populations of these two countries are around 2.25 to 2.5 billion. Their economies are amongst the fastest growing in the world. In south east Asian countries like Thailand many workers in the travel industry have already learned to speak Mandarin as the flow of Chinese tourists to their country is already very strong. This flow will grow rapidly with as many as 100 million Chinese taking foreign holidays within the next year or two. This, of course, is a huge number but less than ten per cent of the population. And if just a few per cent of these tourists head beyond south east Asia there could be very rich pickings for airlines with the capacity to meet this new demand.

Here it is worth noting that Indian and Chinese tourism will be a very important way for them to use the Dollars, Euros and Ponds that they earn from selling the West services as well as huge quantaties of manufactured goods.


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1817 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9282 times:

Basically, Abu Dhabi and Dubai are competing for tourists, and having international airlines will help them promote their respective cities. Plus, Abu Dhabi and Dubai are both metropolitan cities and they need direct flights to major cities.

Plus, the local state goverment (the word emirates is the Arabic word for state), of Dubai helps out Emirates finacially and operationally, and therefore will not benifit if it had flights out of Abu Dhabi.



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User currently onlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3098 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9233 times:

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 9):
It seems like a huge concentration of airlines in a relatively small area. And I know it seems all of them are ordering large amounts of planes. Something will have to give at some point.

Apart from the excellent points made by some in above replies, as long as there is a huge migrant labour population in the Middle East, mainly from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and other countries in the region, there will be a need for several airlines and all can survive.....

In addition, they provide a useful alternative for pax travelling from India to the US and Europe.....add to that the tourism potential of the Middle East and there is place for all.....


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9220 times:

I heard that names of the 3 seperate airlines make up the name of the country.

Etihad = United
Arabiya = Arab
Emirates = Emirates

Quite cool really if it's true !!.

 Smile



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17412 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9110 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 6):
For every Emirati citizen there are 4 foreigners who live and work in the UAE .
There are almost 800.000 Emirati and about 3.2 Million foreigners . Now these foreigners travel back and forth every year to/from their home countries , and if you add business and tourism trips plus transit pax , that's a big market .

Most of those foreigners can barely afford to travel and only travel to the Indian Subcontinent and Southeast Asia. The vast majority of passengers that fly these carriers, and the ones they're trying to capture, are connecting passengers. If any or all of these carriers had to depend on the local market all but one would fold, and the remaining one would be probably a quarter of its current size.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8960 times:

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 13):
Etihad = United
Arabiya = Arab
Emirates = Emirates

Quite cool really if it's true !!.

Arabiya is Arabian..... well u can consider it as arab as well



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6747 posts, RR: 77
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8795 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):

Emirate penis envy.

Ridiculous - it's not like these airlines barely survive and fly around empty planes.  Yeah sure

It may look strange for people without background knowledge about the UAE and these airlines in particular, but the market is there and it would be foolish not to take the chance.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 5):
Every Royal Family of every seperate Emirate has it's own Ego to worry about these days, hence why Abu Dhabi chose not to be a co-owner of Gulf Air anymore and instead go at it alone with Etihad.

Gulf Air has never been a pure UAE carrier and has not operated very efficiently with four hubs at AUH, BAH, DOH and MCT. So why not build up a strong home carrier from AUH? Sound like a smart business decision.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 5):
Roughly 75 miles airport-to-airport on a 4-line devided freeway, not really a long drive.

Still a long distance for doing business at or around Abu Dhabi.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
The vast majority of passengers that fly these carriers, and the ones they're trying to capture, are connecting passengers. If any or all of these carriers had to depend on the local market all but one would fold, and the remaining one would be probably a quarter of its current size.

O&D traffic is growing massively at Abu Dhabi and Dubai, one shouldn't forget to mention...


PH



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User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8774 times:

This is basically no different than one country having multiple airlines based/hubbing in different cities.

User currently offlineHellKelpie From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8540 times:

Etihad is the national airline of the UAE, based in the national capital, Abu Dhabi. Their aircraft have the national crest on their tails.

Emirates, while probably owned by royalty, is, I think, a private company. Based in the city in which the owners are based - Dubai. Shoot me down if you know better, this is just what I've picked up from living here.

Flying AUH-DXB? There is one leg of a GF that does it, but if the road journey takes 90 minutes, and flying - with ticketing, checking in, security and every other bloody thing - would probably take four hours for a 25 minute flight ... hey, drive it.

Tourism: had any of you heard of Abu Dhabi before you came to the Gulf? It hasn't been a player in the industry until very recently. We're about to go through what Dubai's been "enjoying" for the last decade or so.

The first thing they'll need is a decent sized airport. AUH is devilish cute, but not/not designed for high volume throughput.

H


User currently offlineA389 From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8339 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 16):
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):

Emirate penis envy.

Ridiculous - it's not like these airlines barely survive and fly around empty planes.

It may sound strange...but pretty much describes what's going on between Dubai and Abu Dhabi.... just that Dubai is one decade ahead.... give them some time... they are trying to catch up.. which in my opinion is not possible anymore!  Smile

Quoting HellKelpie (Reply 19):
The first thing they'll need is a decent sized airport

...it will happen very very soon!!!

A389


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7891 times:

Also, for a single airline, 2 hubs which are so close to each other don't make sense.


Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17412 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7777 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 21):
Also, for a single airline, 2 hubs which are so close to each other don't make sense.

Doesn't make a whole lot more sense for two separate airlines either.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7777 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 22):
Doesn't make a whole lot more sense for two separate airlines either.

Judging by the growth of the airlines, it does make sense.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17412 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7250 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 23):
Judging by the growth of the airlines, it does make sense.

I don't think that's a sign of anything other than the fact that they are all competing with each other, and many other airlines, for the same traffic flying through their respective hubs, and not to/from AUH/DXB/SHJ/MCT/etc..



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7183 times:

Quoting Antonovman (Reply 3):
i think its a bit like having air england, air scotland and air wales

Did you 'forget' an Air Northern Ireland then.....or didn't you realise you're four countries?


User currently offlineRonerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1653 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6986 times:

Quoting HellKelpie (Reply 18):
Flying AUH-DXB? There is one leg of a GF that does it, but if the road journey takes 90 minutes, and flying - with ticketing, checking in, security and every other bloody thing - would probably take four hours for a 25 minute flight ... hey, drive it.

Now that Etihad has dominated operations at AUH, GF had eventually downsized its operations out of AUH. Both airlines continued to 'represent' AUH simultaneously for a short period, until AUH pulled out its shareholding with GF. Now that GF is left only for Bahrain, and Oman, it has changed its strategy in the UAE and hence, flights between DXB and AUH (which were only for connecting passengers from out of the country .. no revenue O&D flights are allowed to fly between the two cities) have stopped.

GF has downsized and is currently implementing a new strategy in the UAE. So if you want to fly GF from the UAE to lets say, LHR, you will most probably go through Bahrain or Muscat, whereas in the past they had 'direct' or non-stop flights from AUH.

As it is known that EK's success, whether its subsidized by the government of Dubai or not (that is a different topic altogether) is benefitting from Dubai's booming growth. As long as Dubai continues to grow, EK will complement it.

As for Abu Dhabi, the government has plans to develop the city and make it into a tourist destination just like Dubai. Hence, one (out of many) reasons for EY. Etihad, which i believe is subsidized by the government (just an opinion here), is however doing quite well regardless, from what i hear.

In its simplest terms, Abu Dhabi is basically following what Dubai has been doing, but carefully and slowly, and learning from Dubai's 'mistakes'.

Just my two cents.

Roni



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25 PlaneHunter : Competition does make sense - or do you prefer monopolies? Would you also try to convince AA and UA to give up their respective hubs at ORD? And as I
26 Speedbird128 : No sir, they have ceased quite a while back. Exactly. Just look at their fleets - every aircraft EK has, or has on order has been copied (albeit in a
27 Tayaramecanici : Its the other way round, the relation between EK and dubai is that of the heart and body. Its been mentioned here many times before that one of the r
28 Post contains images Jacobin777 : yah..that's why they are filling planes left and right..and recording profits over loses (especially with EK, which has recored profits for 20 straig
29 PlaneHunter : As others have already pointed out, EK will also replace lots of aircraft with new deliveries. And by checking EK's network it gets clear that India
30 MaverickM11 : They aren't growing at astronomical rates or ordering dozens of new planes. From a tiny base....does anyone know the loca/connectin mix for either EK
31 Ronerone : That is absolutely correct. In fact, in the beginning when EK first started, Gulf states like Bahrain were being very anti-competitive and for a whil
32 Tayaramecanici : Are we saying EK is replacing its A330 /B777 with B772LR/A345/A380 ? Considering most airlines like SQ are looking at introducing A330 as a interim l
33 Post contains images Icarus75 : Right for the distance and the road but wrong for the drive! Depending of the time of the day, going out of Dubai or entering Dubaï is a real nightm
34 Post contains links Tayaramecanici : To further substantiate my point in reply:32, check this news. Emirates open to picking up stake in airline in India http://www.moneycontrol.com/indi
35 PlaneHunter : EY's orders aren't astronomical and EK will replace A332, A343 and B772 in the not very distant future. Which base is tiny? Yes, EK has been replacin
36 A342 : You mean EK, don't you ? No A332 has been replaced yet. In fact, most of EK's aircraft, if not all, are younger than 10 years. As Tim Clark has said,
37 PlaneHunter : I know well that no A332 has left the fleet yet - what I'm talking about is routes. There has been a clear trend of replacing the A332 and A343 with
38 Tayaramecanici : The map of UAE. It does contradict everything you said with respect to the relation between India and EK. Read the article, you'll find the statement
39 A342 : Ah, I see. That's true, of course.
40 Post contains images A389 : JXB is in fact closer to AUH.. but 20-25 m?... maybe if there were not so many speed cameras.. and the annoying beep above 120km/h .....realistically
41 PlaneHunter : Which clearly shows Jebel Ali being much closer to Dubai than to Abu Dhabi... No. I said India is not the key to EK's overall success - I didn't say
42 MaverickM11 : When an airline's orderbook is equal or greater in number to its current fleet, that is astromical growth. The number of local passengers in the not
43 PlaneHunter : Which is not necessarily negative. Please elaborate. PH
44 Speedbird128 : As far as I am aware there will be an interim terminal for Etihad at the new Echo Apron, which will be connected to the current terminal...
45 YOWza : I noticed something odd at the Eaton Centre (mall) in downtown Toronto. There is a chance to win a $25,000 shooping spree at a mall in Dubai and the
46 DZ09 : I prefer Abu Dhabi too, but both city are great. Dubai is more like New York City and Abu Dhabi like washington DC. I do not mind having a choice bet
47 MaverickM11 : ...or realistic or sustainable.... How many passengers per day were traveling to the UAE ten years ago? Twenty years ago? Thirty years ago? The marke
48 Pe@rson : Ah, shut up! You lot moan more than spoilt children. Please, mummy, may I have some sweets? PLEASE?! I like DXB. Flew through there on MAA-DXB-LHR ear
49 PlaneHunter : Until today all of EK's plans have been very realistic, considering the development of the airline. The heads of the airline seem to know what they'r
50 Post contains images A389 : Speedbird, you're absolutely right... and also as say that's the interim terminal... something more will follow..... something more according Abu Dha
51 MaverickM11 : The question wasn't "why EK" but rather "why so many airlines for such a small region". The point is that the growth has been so big because it has g
52 Post contains links Tayaramecanici : Quoting Planehunter (From the Topic SRT sold to DXB) Can you post a source please? I doubt that an airline with more than 90 widebodies "feels the hea
53 PlaneHunter : That's one opinion from May 2005. Worst case scenarios aren't new. Well, it's a blog. One doesn't need to be a "Ekphile" to realize that EK is an ama
54 Boysteve : I think Tayaramecanici was suggesting the distance at 20-25 miles, not minutes. Personally I think the new DXB/JXB is approx 45 - 50 miles, 75kms fro
55 Speedbird128 : Okay I will put pay to this guessing of where JXB is - it's plotted on my radar screen, so I will measure for you the exact bearing and distance from
56 Speedbird128 : In fact I had the information right here in the documents on my desk at home... Give or take a nm or 2, and a couple of degrees - this is the distance
57 AirxLiban : Etihad means unity, not united. Mutahida is united. I'm not sure what the argument is about here...but Dubai is certainly closer to Jebel Ali than Ab
58 PlaneHunter : Only one ex-TAM A332 is left (A330-223 A6-EYA), but it's still much better than the two ex-Volare birds (A330-202s A6-EYV and EYW) which don't even h
59 Speedbird128 : No it isn't... See my post above.
60 747400F : Tell that to BA about LGW and LHR, or AF with CDG and ORY, or LH with MUC and FRA CX and SQ seem to do allright from tiny bases!
61 AirxLiban : You're right - typographical error. I meant to say JXB is closer to DXB than AUH is but I typed them in the wrong order.
62 Boysteve : Thanks for the clarification Speedbird128. It is worth remembering that AUH is also ~23 miles from Abu Dhabi City Centre. So I guess (41nm + 23miles)
63 Post contains images Speedbird128 : Hi Boysteve, I think that it is JXB and the ICAO is OMJD. I will check up on those - haven't got the stuff in front of me. No worries AirxLiban.
64 Tayaramecanici : Each of these countries have a population of over 50million with over 70m pax travelling through these countries. UAE has a population of 3m with 800
65 Speedbird128 : JXB is abeam the Jebel Ali Port - and despite your notions of the posh suburbs being affected, the runways are aligned with the prevailing wind and w
66 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Where would FRA be without connecting traffic? Out of some 700 weekly departures from DXB not even TEN percent head for India - and some 85% percent
67 Tayaramecanici : SUB-CONTINENT includes India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal and Srilanka. Can you pls revert back with the total no of weekly flights to this region, p
68 MaverickM11 : Every city has local and connecting traffic. If you took out all of the connecting traffic FRA would probably still be at least half its current size
69 PlaneHunter : Now we have some 18 percent. And more than 65 percent of these flights are operated by A332s. Speaks volumes. I wouldn't be so sure... Where did you
70 MaverickM11 : Their current September schedule. I would, unless you can prove to me that EK is anywhere north of 30% local DXB traffic.
71 PlaneHunter : Did you calculate exact seat numbers (two/three class) for each flight? If yes, then a predominant use of two-class A332s would explain the differenc
72 Post contains images MaverickM11 : I used whatever seat counts EK provided to OAG. Considering the number of countries EK servies, 15% is quite a big chunk for one country, particularl
73 PlaneHunter : The number of countries is not relevant. From which ones exactly? PH
74 Slider : In direct answer to the question, follow the money.... Good point- they've bought their way into the market. They're bringing it HARD.
75 MaverickM11 : Sure it is; if you serve 3 countries and one of them generates 15% of your business, it's not a particularly important revenue stream relatively spea
76 PlaneHunter : Source? It's not relevent whether these 15% percent come from one, two or three countries. What does it change? And I doubt it's also 15% percent of
77 Tayaramecanici : And will repeat it once again, EK cannot survive without the Indian market. Get your facts right, the fares between India and DXB are higher than any
78 Post contains images MaverickM11 : OK it's not relevant that one country, out of the over 80 you serve gets 1/6th of your capacity. Not long after the US, Europe, and Asia start flying
79 PlaneHunter : Of course they could. You don't seem to realize that EK's network is not dependant from India. Tell me exactly why it's so relevant - what is the imp
80 Tayaramecanici : Then why is it that EK is begging India for additional routes, more seats YOY ? Why is it that EK pleads to be allowed to invest in Indian airlines,
81 MaverickM11 : If EK's routes to India are threatened, that's up to 15% of their capacity that could be hurt, for whatever reason. If competition to Ghana increases
82 PlaneHunter : It's never wrong to expand in a growing market. You refuse to accept that 90% percent of EK's flights don't head to India. As for the revenue - prese
83 MaverickM11 : Where do you think they're flying to from those large hubs? It's completely realistic. ADD, BHX, BTS, CPH, GLA, IST, KBP, MAN, MUC, MXP, STN, VIE, ZR
84 Tayaramecanici : Neither am i trying to, we bring our facts to this forum and gracefully accept the truth, rather than sound like a stuck turntable. Here you accept i
85 PlaneHunter : Check the current US-India nonstops and you'll see. If these cities are connected with either DEL, BOM or KHI then pax still have to change planes on
86 MaverickM11 : You're missing the point; nonstop service to India, regardless of the city, is growing while at the same time chipping away at EK's one stop service.
87 PlaneHunter : You ignore the examples I mentioned - it will take a long time until secondary cities will widely get nonstops to other secondary cities. PH
88 MaverickM11 : BHX/ATQ has service. EK does not even fly to ATQ. What makes you think point to point service is so far off? EK is providing a service that could pro
89 PlaneHunter : That's one single example. What about other Indian or Pakistani cities from BHX? Yes, it COULD. Good observation... PH
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