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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5425 times:

Just read this update from another forum. So this is where we are right now guys.

Quote:

Govt makes final decision on BWIA

Driselle Ramjohn dramjohn@trinidadexpress.com
Friday, September 8th 2006



GOVERNMENT has made a final decision on the future of beleaguered local carrier BWIA.

Public Administration Minister Dr Lenny Saith, the chairman of a Cabinet sub-committee on BWIA,
said last night the decision had resulted in a new, and hopefully successful, business model.

"The government has accepted and approved a way forward," Saith said.

He did not give details about the new plan
and noted that such an announcement would not come from the government.

"It would be the airline's board and management to make those announcements.
I believe they are meeting with the unions (today)," he said.

When asked if Cabinet's decision yesterday
would result in a reduction in the State's 97.3 per cent shareholding in BWIA, Saith said:
"We will wait until the board announces what the Cabinet has approved as their business plan."

Industry sources confirmed that several options were presented to Government
to turn around the carrier which lost US$26 million last year
and which has been posting US$1 million a month losses
since the start of this year.

Government agreed to inject as much as US$250 million to save the carrier,
on the condition that management address several money-losing components of the more than 60-year-old airline's operations.

Strategic options included looking at discontinuing BWIA's Manchester and Costa Rica routes
(which has already happened)
and re-examining the London and New York services,
with a view to possibly cutting them if they are not profitable.

Sources have pointed out that these routes,
while usually filled to capacity, have become expensive to maintain.

An impasse in negotiations,
(which have dragged on for several months between the union and the BWIA management led by CEO Peter Davies),
led to suggestions that if BWIA could not become viable in its present state,
a new commercial entity would be formed that would focus on profitable routes such as Jamaica and Miami,
sources said yesterday.

Strategic plans also looked at improving technology at the airline,
reducing the number of aircraft and possibly cutting staff,
possibly numbering in the hundreds.

What is certain is that the BWIA plan involves airline employees and takes into consideration
the upcoming Cricket World Cup and BWIA's provision of services for this.

Minister of Agriculture Land and Marine Resources Jarrette Narine speaking at yesterday's post-Cabinet press conference at Whitehall
first announced that the Government had reached a decision. Narine said Government discussed BWIA "at great length" during yesterday's weekly Cabinet session at Whitehall and it has made its decision.

BWIA is part of a consortium of Caribbean airlines that has been awarded the contract to be the official carrier for teams, media, sponsors and VIPs, and tournament officials during the 2007 Cricket World Cup to be hosted by the West Indies from March to April.

The four BWIA workers' unions are set to meet with the management of the airline at 1.30 p.m. at the Crowne Plaza Hotel, Port of Spain today.

The airline has also planned a media briefing on the carrier's new plans for Saturday.

Aviation, Communication and Allied Workers Union (ACAWU) president general Curtis John said yesterday: "I think they (the government) will brief the management of BWIA and the management will inform us on the decision in our meeting (today)."

"We had a meeting with the security personnel at BWIA two days ago and from all the talk at that meeting we feel that BWIA will continue. Whether it continues as BWIA West Indies Airways or as BWIA Caribbean Airways, there will be an airline," John added.



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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5273 times:

So Caribbean Airlines will commenece to fly in Jan 2007.

Frequent flyer miles and club bwee membership will be honoured by the new airline.


Questions now what will happen to the fleet.

What is the route structure.

I hope that the airline can keep the call sign westindian.


To BWIA fans I would like to do a tribute post to the airline in November.

[Edited 2006-09-08 21:45:21]


Eagles Soar!
User currently offlineJMBWEEBOY From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5173 times:

So the sad day has finally arrived!

I think the biggest mistake so far is the ditching of the name BWIA.
Around for 60 years, for better or for worse (more often the latter)
the name has recognition and unless tens of million has been budgeted
for advertising in the new Caribbean Airlines, it will be impossible to
establish that recognition.

It is also unfortunate that employees will apparently have to wait
a while to know their future with the new concern. Of current 1700
employees only apparently 800 will be retained.

Without getting into specifics, somehow I have the gut feeling the
new Caribbean Airlines will be no more successful than the old BWEE.

JMBWEEBOY


User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5127 times:

Quoting JMBWEEBOY (Reply 2):

I tend to agree with you. I am sorry for the staff that would be loosing their jobs, and a timeless name such as BWIA going into the history books. I particularly don't like 'caribbean airlines' as a name neither. I am also concerned about the new livery. I wonder what it would be like..

Well whether we like it or not, seems like Jan 1st would be the birthdate of Caribbean Airlines.



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5119 times:

By the way people, this is the official statement..

Quote:

aribbean Airlines: a new airline for Trinidad and Tobago and the Caribbean

Port of Spain, September 08, 2006. The Government of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago, 97.188% shareholder of BWIA, has approved a substantial capital injection for the creation of a new regional airline, Caribbean Airlines based in Trinidad. Caribbean Airlines will have its base at Piarco, the international airport of Trinidad and will, subject to local and international regulatory approval commence operations early in 2007. It will provide regional air transport within the Caribbean and between the Caribbean and major international cities. BWIA will continue uninterrupted service to its valued customers whilst management ensures a seamless transition to Caribbean Airlines.

Caribbean Airlines will inherit the long, safe and respected experience of BWIA West Indies Airways, which, after 66 years of service will close. This heralds an exciting phase in air travel and aviation history in Trinidad and Tobago and the region.

Chief Executive Officer, Peter Davies confirmed that the equity injection will allow Caribbean Airlines to operate an effective, efficient and profitable customer oriented service reflecting the needs of the communities within the Caribbean. It will also ensure that the vital connections to world centers continue to reflect the increasing commercial and industrial importance of Trinidad and Tobago whilst recognizing the essential responsibilities of trade and community within the region. Mr. Davies also stated that the mandate he received through the Board of Directors from the Government of Trinidad and Tobago allowed him, the management and staff of BWIA, to recognize the dynamic changes that are affecting the global airline industry and to position Caribbean Airlines in an ever increasing competitive context.

He stated, “We are looking to the 21st century whilst being empathic to our historical past; determination, passion and focus will allow us to build a future and respond honorably to the loyalty that customers have demonstrated over the years”.

All tickets already purchased for travel on BWIA will be honoured by Caribbean Airlines and BWEE Frequent Flyer air miles and Club BWEE memberships will transfer and qualify on the new airline to ensure customer continuity and confidence.

BWIA will issue a detailed communication to all shareholders of BWIA, concerning the closure of the company and their shareholdings.

Representatives of BWIA and the Unions are holding discussions with respect to the closure of BWIA and the separation of employees. Current eligible BWIA employees will be offered separation packages and will be given the opportunity to apply for positions with Caribbean Airlines. The new packages will be competitive within the current airline market. BWIA will also assist employees with outplacement services to secure new opportunities.

Caribbean Airlines will extend its engineering capability beyond its jet fleet to include the ability to undertake heavy maintenance and repair checks on its turboprop aircraft and for other carriers.

Further details on Caribbean Airlines will be released during the next few weeks.

SOURCE http://www.bwee.com



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5065 times:

I think that although it is sad for BWIA to dissappear, it is also positive to see change and to release from old habbits...

It is no secret that BWIA has a notorious reputation, despite what may occur in reality, for lost luggage, late flights, surly FAs, no customer appreciation/ service etc, and even though it is not entirely true, the new airline will be a breath of fresh air, a new livery, a new name, a new management structure, some new employees, will in my opinion breed efficiency. It has been a long time coming; my only wish would be for a Gov't sponsored Aviation museum to be established at piarco honouring all past airlines and giving the history of Piarco (and crown point), with a special area dedicated to BWIA. It will not only be a fitting end, but will also show that the GOTT has some class even when shutting down national 'iconic' companies.

Farewell to BWIA, goodspeed to her retrenched employees, and good luck to Peter Davies and Caribbean Airlines. Sad, yet exciting times for the Caribbean skies!!!! I have a tip that Dash 8's will be wearing Caribbean Airlines livery- whatever it may be!! A340s will most likely be gone by the end of 2007- don't know what will replace, and medium haul (i.e 737s) I have no idea...

Cheers from Canberra (AUSTRALIA)!
AA1818



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5039 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 5):
my only wish would be for a Gov't sponsored Aviation museum to be established at piarco honouring all past airlines and giving the history of Piarco (and crown point), with a special area dedicated to BWIA.

I think that would be order. BWIA was indeed iconic.



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5009 times:

It is not only in order but is necessary- would be a huge boost for aviation which might be a good sign for the furture Caribbean Airlines, a boost in the hobby etc could be all it takes!!


“The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease for ever to be able to do it.” J.M. Barrie (Peter Pan)
User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4930 times:

Quote:
Caribbean Airlines to Replace BWIA

Friday, September 08 2006 @ 04:36 PM POS/GMT
Contributed by: hannibal
More: 167
The Government of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago, 97.188% shareholder of BWIA, has approved a substantial capital injection for the creation of a new regional airline, Caribbean Airlines based in Trinidad. Caribbean Airlines will have its base at Piarco, the international airport of Trinidad and will, subject to local and international regulatory approval commence operations early in 2007. It will provide regional air transport within the Caribbean and between the Caribbean and major international cities. BWIA will continue uninterrupted service to its valued customers whilst management ensures a seamless transition to Caribbean Airlines.

Caribbean Airlines will inherit the long, safe and respected experience of BWIA West Indies Airways, which, after 66 years of service will close. This heralds an exciting phase in air travel and aviation history in Trinidad and Tobago and the region.

Chief Executive Officer, Peter Davies confirmed that the equity injection will allow Caribbean Airlines to operate an effective, efficient and profitable customer oriented service reflecting the needs of the communities within the Caribbean. It will also ensure that the vital connections to world centers continue to reflect the increasing commercial and industrial importance of Trinidad and Tobago whilst recognizing the essential responsibilities of trade and community within the region. Mr. Davies also stated that the mandate he received through the Board of Directors from the Government of Trinidad and Tobago allowed him, the management and staff of BWIA, to recognize the dynamic changes that are affecting the global airline industry and to position Caribbean Airlines in an ever increasing competitive context.

He stated, �We are looking to the 21st century whilst being empathic to our historical past; determination, passion and focus will allow us to build a future and respond honorably to the loyalty that customers have demonstrated over the years�.

All tickets already purchased for travel on BWIA will be honoured by Caribbean Airlines and BWEE Frequent Flyer air miles and Club BWEE memberships will transfer and qualify on the new airline to ensure customer continuity and confidence.

BWIA will issue a detailed communication to all shareholders of BWIA, concerning the closure of the company and their shareholdings.

Representatives of BWIA and the Unions are holding discussions with respect to the closure of BWIA and the separation of employees. Current eligible BWIA employees will be offered separation packages and will be given the opportunity to apply for positions with Caribbean Airlines. The new packages will be competitive within the current airline market. BWIA will also assist employees with outplacement services to secure new opportunities.

Caribbean Airlines will extend its engineering capability beyond its jet fleet to include the ability to undertake heavy maintenance and repair checks on its turboprop aircraft and for other carriers.

Further details on Caribbean Airlines will be released during the next few weeks.

http://news.bn.gs/article.php?story=20060908163635439

AA1818
In one press report the said that the JFK and LHR routes dispite having good load factors had become expensive to maintain. Do you think these routes will be cut.



Eagles Soar!
User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4878 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 8):
AA1818
In one press report the said that the JFK and LHR routes dispite having good load factors had become expensive to maintain. Do you think these routes will be cut.

I am really concerned about that. It has been mentioned in a number of articles. With this new low cost focus of Caribbean Airlines, are we going to only see the likes of MIA on the North American route? JM would own JFK in that case, not consdering the competition of AA, just thinking of caribbean airlines.



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User currently offlineBWIA330 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4836 times:

I wonder if they are keeping the same aircraft, or getting new ones? What fleet would you guys recommend?

Regards,

BWIA330


User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4812 times:

I have the feeling that the 737s would stay on. They are complaining that the A340s are gas guzzlers.....

I say, the 737s and a couple A333s would be perfect for BW. The 763s is not a bad option either.



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User currently offlineAvatordon From United States of America, joined May 2006, 239 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4812 times:

JM flies to both JFK & EWR, as well as both MIA & FLL, so they seem to cover both metro areas well. Did BW ever fly to EWR or FLL?

User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

Quoting Avatordon (Reply 12):
JM flies to both JFK & EWR, as well as both MIA & FLL, so they seem to cover both metro areas well. Did BW ever fly to EWR or FLL?

No, BW has served JFK and MIA only for quite sometime. A few ago they added IAD to their North American route network, that is it.

In NA, they serve YYZ, JFK, MIA & IAD.

JM covers(d) NA more extensively as they serve(d) JFK, EWR, BOS, PHL, BWI, MIA, FLL, ORD, PHX, LAX, ATL, IAH & YYZ. Some of these routes though have been dropped.



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User currently offlineWestIndian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4707 times:

Well, to sound Trini for a sec.... oh gosh, ah in pain!

Well, looks like BWIA will join the list of iconic airlines across the globe that slipped into history. A sad day for many, but as American 1818 (mm hmm .... MIA-POS) said, it is necessary to improve the service and the industry in the Caribbean.

I wish, though, that the name would be different. "Caribbean" has been used several times already (Caribbean Star, Caribbean Sun, Air Caribbean -- dead, and what was that other one based in Barbados?).


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User currently offlineWestIndian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

I've been thinking...if that's $250 million US dollars, then that's a lot of capital to start with! How much does that compare to B6 for start up capital?


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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4559 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 8):
AA1818
In one press report the said that the JFK and LHR routes dispite having good load factors had become expensive to maintain. Do you think these routes will be cut.

well from well placed sources BA, and VS will probbaly contracted for LHR.
I think JFK is quite high yielding, despite competition from CO into EWR. YYZ will definitely be there- it has to be one of their highest load factor routes- don't know about yield. MIA faces still competition from AA's combination of 752/ 763......but i am almost certain the A340s will be gone. I expect to see TB having to find some new planes (Dash8s) since Caribbean Airlines will probably take them back.......737s- a fleet of 4 or 5 will be VERY small and limit the network- with 7 a/c they currently serve MIA, IAD, YYZ, JFK including stops in PMB and GEO- perhaps 2 of those routes to North America will go- my guesses will be MIA and IAD but those are wild guesses, AA will have a field day!!!!

Back to the London issue though, rumours in the papers about a year ago suggested that the GOTT were trying to lure BA into flying to POS and VS i think were considering seasonal flights since many Trinis use VS though TAB during peak season when it is expected that BW will be running 48 hours late on the POS-X-LHR flights.

Quoting WestIndian425 (Reply 15):
I've been thinking...if that's $250 million US dollars, then that's a lot of capital to start with! How much does that compare to B6 for start up capital?

yes it is 250mn USD, a lot of money- but GOTT is swimming in money, and remember that this is not merely an injection but a recapitalization and a shut down and restart- many debts, severances and closure costs associated with BWIA that new carriers would not have had to deal with when starting up. After all the shutting down costs, the real capitalization of Caribbean Airlines might lie in the vicinity of about 120mn USD at most.

Cheers
AA1818



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User currently offlineWestIndian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4459 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 16):
yes it is 250mn USD, a lot of money- but GOTT is swimming in money, and remember that this is not merely an injection but a recapitalization and a shut down and restart- many debts, severances and closure costs associated with BWIA that new carriers would not have had to deal with when starting up. After all the shutting down costs, the real capitalization of Caribbean Airlines might lie in the vicinity of about 120mn USD at most.

Good info. Thanks. Well then, Delta could not have picked a better time to start ATL-POS (wonder if US will do a CLT/PHL - POS route), and I wonder what will become of the code-share agreement with UAL.

Neil



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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4369 times:

Hi guys

Below are the links to two articles. The first is an interview with CEO Peter Davies who is talking about why BWIA had to closed.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_business?id=161011204


The second is an article Davies talks about preliminary plans for the new airline. One happy note is that Caribbbean Airlines (I am thinking about referring to the new airline as Carib) will share the same code as BW. Apparently the application is to be made to IATA on Monday. The 737 fleet will be reduced to 2. As has been said before the airline will focus on regional routes and on the airbridge (POS-TAB). The question then is what will happen to Tabex and with LIAT??

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161011232

This link is to caribbeanalpa discussion forum where the articles are also posted
http://www.caribbeanalpa.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2656#2656

[Edited 2006-09-11 01:17:04]


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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4323 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 18):
The 737 fleet will be reduced to 2. As has been said before the airline will focus on regional routes and on the airbridge (POS-TAB). The question then is what will happen to Tabex and with LIAT??

I think you want to say the 737 fleet will be reduced BY two. Cause that is what I read in the articles.. Or did I miss something..?



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10009 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4309 times:

Interesting articles you posted here BWIA 772, thanks. So it appears Caribbean Airlines will operate a smaller fleet, both in terms of number of aircraft and operating smaller regional aircraft to focus more on the Caribbean network. This might well be a wise move to go back to a regional airline and build things up from there again. MIA, JFK and LHR (or LGW) are enough as international destinations, so it all sounds nice to me. I am only wondering. will Caribbean Airlines use regional jets for their Caribbean network, such as the ERJ10/190/145? These aircraft are perfect aircraft for Caribbean operations.

Also does any body already know how the liery of Caribbean Airlines will look like? Will it retain the same yellow and turqouise colours as BW used? It would be sad to see the very nice Caribbean colours of BW disappear...

A388


User currently offlineWestIndian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

Well, considering BWIA does have a stake in LIAT, I don't know what to think. I wonder if the new airline will work with JM, as we've been preaching should happen but couldn't because of pride and prejudice.

Neil



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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4256 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 19):
I think you want to say the 737 fleet will be reduced BY two. Cause that is what I read in the articles.. Or did I miss something..?

Yes the 737 fleet is to be reduced by two.

Quoting A388 (Reply 20):
This might well be a wise move to go back to a regional airline and build things up from there again.

This is how I see it.
Stating the obvious ie the service provided by the airline must be efficent and the customers should treated well.

Concentrating on regional routes will help the airline to build up a customer base. On regional routes the airline is more likely to get pax who stopped travelling on BW out side of the region. Good and efficent service with the caribbean touch could bring these pax to Caribbean Airlines.

A comprehensive regional network will allow the carrier to enter into code share agreements with major airlines serving the region. I do hope that one day the new carrier can join one of the global alliances.

Interms of marketing the current slogan of BWIA is a good one but I doubt Davies would want to use that.

AA1818 do you have an clues on what the new livery will look like. As long as it isnt euro white I wont mind.



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

To be honest, perhaps stupidly honest, I don't think MIA will be a future route of Caribbean Airlines. No tip off, no well placed source on this one- simply greater potential elsewhere such as JFK, IAD and YYZ. Also I suggested to a board member that they bring back CUR and fly onto Santo Domingo because there is a lot of POS-CUR traffic and a lot of CUR-SDQ traffic and Trinidad has the rights to fly the routes. Also CCS will probably be readded.

AA1818



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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

Well guys this afternoon i called the travel agent and I am due to take the last BW flight from BGI to POS and the first Caribbean Airlines flight POS BGI. I missed the last L1011 flight but I will not miss the last BW flight.


Eagles Soar!
25 WestIndian425 : And I'm slated to fly MIA-POS next month. I wonder how the staff morale is now that the decision has been made. Neil
26 Post contains images A388 : Wow that sounds very nice BWIA 772. I hope these airlines will follow their planned schedule as these type of changes always cause delays of some sor
27 MAH4546 : You said it yourself - "stupidly honest". MIA is one of their only international routes that makes money. IAD doesn't. LHR doesn't. JFK doesn't. MIA
28 AA1818 : Are you sure about that...I've been told that AA is killing them on the MIA route. JFK is supposed to be more profitable as if YYZ. IAD I don't know
29 Post contains links MAH4546 : Yes I am sure. MIA is one of BWIA's only international stations turning a profit, and a recent article just about confirms it: Strategic options incl
30 Post contains images A388 : Hi AA1818 (or anyone else), do you have more information on Caribbean Airlines possible route to CUR? I'm very much interested. I'm also still very c
31 Captaink : Very interesting point. One may look at the routes they fly and may not understand why MIA is profitable, even amidst the competition. But I like how
32 JMBWEEBOY : I would imagine the costs at JFK and Heathrow are extremely high. And this is all the more reason why it is such a shame a BWIA/AirJamaica merger has
33 MAH4546 : The cost of keeping a long-haul fleet or such a small operationg probably make LHR unprofitable. Economics of scale. Air Jamaica is the only other Ca
34 AA1818 : no more info- only that it among many other 'new' routes about being looked at. The airline will operate as a business and less as a national carrier
35 Post contains links BWIA 772 : Guys I have posted update for Caribbean Airlines. please check it out http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2978852/ A1818
36 AA1818 : NZL is awesome- you shud definitely do it. I'll give more details when i've got more time...but definitely come!!!!!! AA1818
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