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RUMOR: Jetblue Seeks 2nd Gate At SRQ  
User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1956 posts, RR: 19
Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4416 times:

A credible source at SRQ says he has heard B6 is already requesting a second gate at SRQ. They begin service 1X daily from JFK starting in a couple weeks. With the preparation for their start, they also sent TWO A320 towbars. Why would they need two if they only have one flight daily? Any ideas?

-Justin

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User currently offlineFlypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4395 times:

Quoting DLX737200 (Thread starter):
they also sent TWO A320 towbars. Why would they need two if they only have one flight daily? Any ideas?

Backup?


User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1956 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 1):

Backup?

I suppose that's a logical explanation.... any other ideas?


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4373 times:

JetBlue must have bigger plans for SRQ than one daily flight to the JFK hub......my guess is that, if everything works out, JetBlue will add additional flights to JFK and service to BOS and maybe IAD. While several JetBlue stations only have one flight per day, its not an ideal arrangement.....multiple flights per day day allow costs to be amortorized over several flights.

As for the second gate, who knows....its probably a preventive measure. If SRQ is a hit for JetBlue, they will quickly need extra space and dont want to find themselves limited by a lack of space on the ground.


User currently offlineTransWorldSTL From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4350 times:

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 2):
Quoting Flypdx (Reply 1):

Backup?

I suppose that's a logical explanation.... any other ideas?

LOL.. Not the answer you were looking for, eh?


User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2239 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4312 times:

Are gates as SRQ that hard to get by? I mean, over the past decade SRQ was a place that saw airlines leaving rather than starting services.

But happy to see that the place is picking up again (I believe that reversal of trend has started some 3-4 years ago?)


User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4174 times:

Well I could see BOS-SRQ and maybe an IAD-SRQ because B6 does IAD-FLL and PBI and WN announced IAD-MCO,TPA,RSW so if B6 does IAD-SRQ they both can get a good amount of IAD-Florida flights in and not compete. Also they probably will do more connecting the dots with the 190's since they probably won't start new cities b/c they aren't getting new planes as much so connecting the dots seems like it should be coming soon and SRQ is gearing up for more flights, it seems obvious to me...

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User currently offlineGoBlue From Canada, joined Jun 2006, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4164 times:

That post was super confusing, but i understood most of it. They will be starting new cities, just a matter of time. I would hope they would launch some more florida frequencies for the winter months, and florida expansions for both IAD and BOS, which i am pretty sure are in the works.

RUMOUR: My uncle who is a pilot has stated that there is a very real possibility of more midwest expansion before the end of the year. Mainly STL, MCI and MKE, but he is not confirming this it is only a rumour. E190;s to start, and then performance will dictate the rest.

Very interesting...we shall see what David has up his sleeve next!

Cheers


User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4014 times:

Quoting GoBlue (Reply 7):
Very interesting...we shall see what David has up his sleeve next!

Well I don't have sleeves on the shirt I am wearing right now. Okay joking aside...

Lets see, I am going to guess they SRQ schedule could go to:
3X JFK
2X BOS
1X IAD
2X EWR

(I don't know about the EWR flights but it could work).

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User currently offlineWMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3984 times:

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 8):
Lets see, I am going to guess they SRQ schedule could go to:
3X JFK
2X BOS
1X IAD
2X EWR

(I don't know about the EWR flights but it could work).

I don't forsee any future expansion out of EWR. Between the massive daily delays, and CO's fierce defending of their terriroty, it would be a money losing venture out of EWR. The other destinations are a good possibility. I haven't heard anything coming down the pipeline about future destinations since the CMH announcement. We are still fighting to stay in the black, so that is where all of our attention is focused right now, that and the redesign of www.jetblue.com which will be coming online in the fall.



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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3019 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

I'm guessing that B6 would be able to get a great deal on a second gate since the airport doesn't have too much traffic. I bet if the JFK flights do well then BOS and IAD flights would follow. However, if JetBlue can fit 8-9 flights out of one gate, I don't really see why a second gate would be needed just yet.

Quoting WMUPilot (Reply 9):
that and the redesign of www.jetblue.com which will be coming online in the fall.

Finally!! Have you heard what features it will have? Please tell me that it will have seat maps for specific flights BEFORE booking.

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

Quoting WMUPilot (Reply 9):

I don't forsee any future expansion out of EWR. Between the massive daily delays, and CO's fierce defending of their terriroty, it would be a money losing venture out of EWR. The other destinations are a good possibility. I haven't heard anything coming down the pipeline about future destinations since the CMH announcement. We are still fighting to stay in the black, so that is where all of our attention is focused right now, that and the redesign of www.jetblue.com which will be coming online in the fall.

Very honest analysis.....thanks. I do think that JetBlue has more in mind for SRQ, JetBlue has developed a strong following on the BOS/NYC/IAD-Florida rotues and I would expect that Sarasota will be a success for JetBlue. I also agree with you on the EWR issue.....EWR has just not worked out as well for JetBlue as they had hoped; I think that JetBlue will retain a presence at the airport to offer their loyal NYC passengers flights from EWR to key Florida cities (such as FLL and MCO) but I do not expect much expansion...why should JetBlue enter into endless battles with CO at EWR when they can expand at their base at JFK without much competition (neither AA or DL is seriously interested in competing with JetBlue at JFK......AA seems content with its current JFK operation focused on longhaul and DL is thinking primarily international at JFK with service on key domestic routes for O&D pax and some connection possibilities).

JetBlue needs to make a big move at this point......it has exhausted its possibilites on the BOS/NYC/WAS to Florida/California services. Will it be a midwest hub? Or will JetBlue connect the dots on its route map? Time will tell, but JetBlue has lots of new airplanes on order that must be put to work in the nearterm future.


User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 8):
Lets see, I am going to guess they SRQ schedule could go to:
3X JFK
2X BOS
1X IAD
2X EWR

Well what about an inner-Florida flight to FLL? And, I think there was an article recently with Neeleman saying that they will not be expanding in EWR anytime soon. (After the reinstated EWR-TPA flight.) However - I could be wrong.



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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1665 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 11):
JetBlue needs to make a big move at this point......it has exhausted its possibilites on the BOS/NYC/WAS to Florida/California services. Will it be a midwest hub? Or will JetBlue connect the dots on its route map? Time will tell, but JetBlue has lots of new airplanes on order that must be put to work in the nearterm future.

I wonder if they get a midwest hub, like STL, then if they will expand to more Ohio, Illinois and Michigan and connect through St. Louis to destinations in Florida, New York and maybe a couple out west.

Just my .02



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User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 999 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3872 times:

Here is the current line up. I can't see any reason why JetBlue would want an additional gate at SRQ. 1 a day to JFK and the second daily planned that still hasn't been loaded into Jetblue.com, but I guess it would be good PR to announce the expanded schedule during the first flight celebration.

Even Airtran with 9 flights a day does just fine with 1 gate, I'm sure Airtran also uses other gates for irregular ops however.

odd #gates are on the east side of the airport and even # gates are on the west site. The diagram can be seen here
http://www.srq-airport.com/traveling.asp?page=terminal

B1-empty / USAirway irregular ops
B2-empty / Delta irregular ops
B3-UsAirways
B4-Delta
B5-Continental
B6- Delta, funny if it was for JetBlue
B7-empty
B8- FIS / customs gate, otherwise empty
B9- JetBlue
B10- I believe Northwest will be using this gate
B11- empty / Airtran irregular ops?
B12 - Airtran
B14 - empty / Airtran irregular ops?

I'm not sure what gate Air Canada will be using.

So how many gates does B6 use in RSW and TPA compared to the number of flights that operate?

So it's not like there is a shortage of space. All the airports daily flights feasibly could operate out of 4 gates if the airlines shared.

The rumor might also have a little bit more credibility if Jetblue also brought down a E-190 towbar.

In short are they going to make SRQ a focus city, I don't think so. Not with TPA and RSW so close.

P.S. I filled out the what routes should we fly and added CMH to SRQ. So I expect that to be added shortly.  Smile

Go Buccaneers and Buckeyes



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User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3726 times:

Quoting WMUPilot (Reply 9):
that and the redesign of www.jetblue.com which will be coming online in the fall.

Really, what are the new features going to be, tell us a lot more. Or at least when can we expect the new site to be up.

Quoting CMHSRQ (Reply 14):
B7-empty
B8- FIS / customs gate, otherwise empty
B9- JetBlue
B10- I believe Northwest will be using this gate
B11- empty / Airtran irregular ops?

Well B6 can take over B7 or B11, the 2 gates by their side are empty so SRQ put them in a good spot where B6 can look at empty gates and it is ready to expand into.

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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 11):
JetBlue needs to make a big move at this point......it has exhausted its possibilites on the BOS/NYC/WAS to Florida/California services. Will it be a midwest hub? Or will JetBlue connect the dots on its route map? Time will tell, but JetBlue has lots of new airplanes on order that must be put to work in the nearterm future.

Indeed. And jetBlue has shown that they are more than willing to yank routes that aren't meeting expectations...But they do have quite a lot of planes on the way and they can't keep expanding out of JFK forever.


User currently offlineWMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3655 times:

I really don't forsee us making a huge run at SRQ. Most of the traffic in and out of SRQ is seasonal. Big mover in the northern winter months and slow moving in the summer. Not to mention we already have a pretty good presence at TPA and MCO.

Currently we are redeploying aircraft on routes that we know will be profitable in hopes of remaining in the black. JFK-SRQ doesn't even start until the end of September, so as of right now it is anybody's guess as to how the preformance will be. Loads are pretty high for the first week or so, but why shouldn't they be with the inagural fares?



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User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 999 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3616 times:

Anyone have the first 3 weeks of LF?


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User currently offlineB6DC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3602 times:

The second gate is just to accomodate all of the wheelchair customers!
In all seriousness, I don't think there's much weight behind this. The second towbar is just incase something happens to the other one, or incase of a second aircraft diverting. Every city has an E190 towbar, even if they don't operate them


User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3573 times:

Boy everybody here has grandiose ideas for the airline at SRQ.. Why? Its a niche airport. Its not meant to support a gazillion daily flights.. and it never will. I work up at JAX, which is a city of almost a million, and we support 3x A320 a day to JFK... What makes you think SRQ is going to support any more than that? Especially being in the shadow of TPA and RSW, and ONLY being a metropolitan area of 350,000... Whats next? Maybe 10x to JFK and 15x to LGB out of Venice Municipal? Listen to yourselves.


Having travelled through SRQ many, many times, its service levels have actually DROPPED since that new terminal was constructed years ago. Back when the place was a tin shack and a pre-fab cement building, the airport had tenants including National, TWA, United, Delta, Eastern, etc... As of late, they've gained AirTran.. But not after losing Canadian charter airlines, TWA, etc.. Northwest used to be year round there with DC9 and B727.. now its just seasonal service. Heck, I dont even remember if Delta still operates a B757 in there from Atlanta... Last time I flew out of there it was on a Delta Shuttle B737-800.

And as for the tow-bar... We have all sorts of tow-bars at JAX... But when youve got two A320's on the ground during a diversion scenario, you dont want to be asking US Airways if you can borrow their towbar... DUH.



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User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 680 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3561 times:

I have to agree with WMUPilot and N312RC. Don't forget AirTran operated SRQ/LGA and SRQ/BOS for a short time last winter. Neither of these flights ever came anywhere near to filling up. Anyone familiar with the demographics of Florida will tell you that the West coast is full of folks from the Mid-west (the I-75 corridor) and that the people from the Northeast come down to the East coast (the I-95 corridor). I fly out of SRQ quite often and have never seen a crowd around there at all. It's a little laid back convenient airport for the locals, not a place to support a region aka TPA and RSW. And no VNC will never see commercial traffic. Heck the locals are voicing concerns about its current operations.

Rgds,
Ed



Ed
User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 999 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3499 times:

Quoting N312RC (Reply 20):
Having travelled through SRQ many, many times, its service levels have actually DROPPED since that new terminal was constructed years ago. Back when the place was a tin shack and a pre-fab cement building, the airport had tenants including National, TWA, United, Delta, Eastern, etc... As of late, they've gained AirTran.. But not after losing Canadian charter airlines, TWA, etc.. Northwest used to be year round there with DC9 and B727.. now its just seasonal service. Heck, I dont even remember if Delta still operates a B757 in there from Atlanta... Last time I flew out of there it was on a Delta Shuttle B737-800

You are correct that SRQ is a niche airport, you can look at it as an extended terminal from TPA. Lets work on your info a bit. MSA is over a million, Sarasota, Bradenton, Venice, North Port, Arcadia.

YES SRQ has lost National, TWA, Eastern, PanAm, United. However so have all the other airports in the world because those carriers went out of business or were bought out. (except United)

SRQ lost CanJet (out of business) but gained AirCanada dailies to YYZ. SRQ doesn't get 757's anymore because they were used for song. I personally prefer the 737-800 shuttle as the leg room and comfort are greater than the 757. Tampa and RSW have had there seats reduced by DL as well. Check the numbers. TPA has only had 1 month with a traffic increase this year. SRQ has 6 months. Northwest starts year round service again on Oct 28th. Check next July on NWA.com you will find a daily A319. So please get it out of your head that SRQ is a failing airport. It's well served by 6 year round carriers and several seasonal carriers. With 11 non-stop destinations. Not to bad when your 35 nm south of TPA.

BTW still looking for the load factor for the first few days of JetBlue service to SRQ, can any CSA's provide this please.



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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3019 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

It looks like SRQ flights are booking pretty nicely so far. Though the flights still have a few more weeks to fill up, advanced bookings look to be pretty solid.

AUA, which begins this Friday, has amazing bookings all the way through October. Southbound flights from Thursday through Sunday are already packed. I personally find this amazing as autumn is traditionally the slowest time of the year for the island. I can only imagine what will happen as we move into the busier winter/spring break time, and then summer. I must say that I'm very, very surprised by this.

Advertising in the NYC area is at an all-time high. I hear radio advertisements almost everyday and there are full-page ads being run in Newsday Long Island.

Perhaps JetBlue knows what it's doing afterall...

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineDlx737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1956 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

My source, who the assistant general manager of the ramp contract company for every carrier except Delta and Northwest, claims: "Jetblue is already considering multiple, as in several, flights a day from JFK as well as the possibility of 2 flights from BOS and possibly 1X daily IAD. As far as 190 towbars, we don't have any. As far as borrowing Usairway's towbar, we don't have to borrow it, we own it. Usairways has made it's towbar compatible for the airbus and boeing 737s, thus making it incompatible with Jetblue's 320s. In addition, the info regarding gate B1, is inaccurate. The DCA flight uses it."

-Justin


25 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : So looks like some more SRQ flights may come and my guesses on frequency where right on except for the stupid EWR idea, which I knew would never formu
26 Post contains images Ikramerica : Wow. I mean, CO flies once a day to EWR with a 737 (often a 735, sometimes larger) to a major hub, yet B6 is going to triple the SRQ-EWR demand on to
27 CMHSRQ : When I see it I'll believe it. Don't get me wrong I would love that to happen. However I just don't think it's realistic. I worked for that ramp comp
28 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : If you read my posts above you would see I took back the EWR statement before jumping to conclusions. B6jfk
29 Post contains images Ikramerica : At least you admitted it was stupid! (his words, not mine mods. don't reprimand me). See... If you knew they would not happen, then why post it???? H
30 Post contains images WMUPilot : It will happen as soon as we kill ATA and take them out of the HOU-NYC market!
31 HVNandrew : B6 would be very smart to start up 1x or 2x daily flights from SRQ-MCO and/or SRQ-FLL. There's alot of locals who want those routes, and they haven't
32 MAH4546 : There is absolutely no market for SRQ-MCO. FLL-SRQ, possibly, but the route has been flown by various regional carriers in recent times, most recentl
33 Post contains images DLX737200 : Hey wait a minute. There is a least 1 passenger interested in this, ME! Friday I flew MCO-ATL-SRQ-ATL-MCO for the day to fly to SRQ. haha.
34 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : I realised after I re read it a little bit later that I didn't mean that. B6jfk
35 Kaitak : It's great to see any growth at SRQ; the northbound from SRQ to JFK with B6 is fine for t/a connections, although obviously the southbound is far too
36 SANFan : Ummm, today is Sept 13. Announcing new stations to start in the next 3 1/2 months (particularly in that part of the country, just in time for blizzar
37 Dutchjet : First, thanks for quoting HALF a sentence and then disagreeing with it... very nice. Full quote: Surprise, I also said that JetBlue may go to a conne
38 SANFan : Dutchjet, I disagreed with a statement you made, a sentence, a compete thought, right? I said I thought connecting-the-dots between the NE and Califor
39 JetBluefan1 : Actually, SMF-IAD was dropped earlier this year. That leaves SMF-JFK, which was 2x this summer and is 1x for the winter. There is connecting service
40 San747 : Forgot ONT, served 1x daily from JFK...
41 Post contains images SANFan : Thanks folks... Late night, bleary eyes, so sleepy... bb
42 MAH4546 : Don't forget they also fly FLL-OAK and FLL-LGB. There is a rumour that a third California city will be added from FLL in January/February. Given jetB
43 SANFan : Thanx for that MAH, I have personally sent messages to B6 suggesting that SAN-FLL or MCO should prove to be quite successful for them. I can't imagin
44 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : I can see them eventually add MLB DAB and PNS to the NE in the next few years. I'm sure it will be BUR or maybe SAN. I am thinking they will just shi
45 GoBlue : I would hope they would shift BUR-FLL to BUR-MCO, they would have to make sure that connectsion were there out west, so they can ensure they have enou
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