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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4280 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

I heard some new rumors today. I haven't confirmed these so take them with a grain of salt, but info out there makes these very believable.

1. The flying will go to either Air Wisconsin or Pinnacle. Apparently these are the two remaining candiates.

2. Expressjet was the other "finalist" in the process. However their CEO informed employees the other day that Midwest would no longer be considering Expressjet. Here is what killed their bid. If anyone is familiar with the current Skyway route structure, they are currently running DO jets into CLE. Apparently Midwest would like to be running bigger RJ's into CLE, and possibly EWR. Unfortunately, ExpressJet already has a flying agreement with CO as you all know. And this agreement also includes a no compete clause, which would prohibit them from flying Midwest colors into CLE or EWR. Hence, Midwest decided to eliminate them from the process.

Based on that, I would have to believe that Air Wisconsin is in the drivers seat unless something drastic happens. They already have a mx facility in MKE, they are a wisconsin airline, their CEO has close ties to Midwest, and Pinnacle is in financial trouble thanks to NW, plus if NW pulls RJ's from their fleet, it would make them less able to bid an incremental growth, where Air Wisconsin is financially stable, can put an incremental bid in, and can get infastructure in place more quickly than pinnacle can for a start up. We shall see what happens. But one thing is certain. The midwest connect flying will definitely be on CRJ's now.

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User currently offlineNorthwestEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 423 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3863 times:

Not CRJs !! YX has such a nice product. Why must they ruin it with CRJs ! Would YX re configure the CRJs with their signature express product ?

[Edited 2006-09-10 06:43:27]


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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

Quoting NorthwestEWR (Reply 1):
Would YX re configure the CRJs with their signature express product ?

They don't reconfigure the 328JETs or the 1900s, do they?

The most you'll see is leather seats in the CRJ, but standard configuration.



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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

Thanks for the update. I hope ZW doesn't become overconfident because of some advantages (like the MKE hangar) and let it slip through their fingers.

User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5438 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3732 times:

Quoting Apodino (Thread starter):
Apparently Midwest would like to be running bigger RJ's into CLE, and possibly EWR.

Is Midwest dissatisfied with the 328 or is it just certain routes that need bigger planes?



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3711 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 4):
Is Midwest dissatisfied with the 328 or is it just certain routes that need bigger planes?

Some routes with the FRJs are so full they need additional equipment. PIT, for example, has proven very profitable, some days you can't get all the bags on. Plus, as the BE1s get removed from service, FRJs are used to replace them. Therefore, again, more aircraft are needed.



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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 4):
Is Midwest dissatisfied with the 328 or is it just certain routes that need bigger planes?

Not long after the 50-seat RJ RFP was announced, they separately said they were acquiring two addition 328 jets.


User currently offline4everRC From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3671 times:

Quoting Apodino (Thread starter):
if NW pulls RJ's from their fleet

Can you explain, or did I miss something? That's all that 9E flies...



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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

Quoting JBo (Reply 2):
The most you'll see is leather seats in the CRJ, but standard configuration.

Think they'll be like the one's DH had? I heard DH had some of the nicer CRJ cabins as compared to other CRJ products.

[Edited 2006-09-10 18:06:37]

User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3638 times:

Awwwwwww.....I was really hoping that expressjet get the contract cause I'd love to see an ERJ in the yx colors. Also as stated above, the ERJ would fit their product better. So you think 100% chance expressjet won't get it?

[Edited 2006-09-10 19:00:21]


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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3624 times:

Whats the story with Pinnacle still being in the running? Anyone have more information about that?

User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3583 times:
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I would think that since Dornier is no longer, that parts for the Do328Jet must be hard to come by. Might as well move more stuff to a platform which is still made and has lots of parts available.


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User currently offlineExpressJet_ERJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 834 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3491 times:

What happened to Chautauqua?


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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 4):
Is Midwest dissatisfied with the 328 or is it just certain routes that need bigger planes?



Quoting Acidradio (Reply 11):
I would think that since Dornier is no longer, that parts for the Do328Jet must be hard to come by. Might as well move more stuff to a platform which is still made and has lots of parts available.

The 328Jets will remain in the Skyway fleet for the forseeable future. As others have said, the 328s will ultimately replace the 1900s which are leaving the fleet (a couple sooner than planned).

Putting out the RFP for a third-party carrier was a more affordable method to add aircraft to the network than purchasing more aircraft for Skyway (remember YX had an order for ERJ-140s that was canceled several months ago).

Air Wisconsin seems to be the clear frontrunner. As the original poster stated, ExpressJet apparently had too many conflicts with its CO routes that prevented them from working out as ideally as YX wanted. No one has mentioned Chautauqua yet, but I would be inclined that the situation is similar with them as they fly for several other airlines. As for Pinnacle, I find it interesting where they would get the aircraft from. Aren't they like Mesaba where NW owns the leases to all their aircraft?



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User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 822 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3386 times:

Quoting NorthwestEWR (Reply 1):
Would YX re configure the CRJs with their signature express product ?

Well, I'm sure they'd fit them with 2x2 leather seating, but 2x2 in a CRJ won't exactly be comfortable.

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 4):
Is Midwest dissatisfied with the 328 or is it just certain routes that need bigger planes?

YX likes the plane, they're a little dissatisfied that the company who built it is gone though. They also need bigger planes. Routes like BWI, BDL, and PIT are not good routes for this plane, but it's certainly a better fit than a mainline jets. The FRJs are also needed to add or augment jet service on routes currently served by Beechcraft. DSM and CMH will hopefully become all Jet, and With any luck FNT, STL, and CWA will begin to see FRJs as well.


User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1610 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

Like someone said, there can be no overconfidence until this comes to pass. It would seem that ZW is in a good position now, but anything can happen and until I see this thing in writing, I won't really believe it.

The CRJ is not really a great airplane for 50 passengers, but it can be made to be less miserable if they put in good seats and keep it clean. Cleanliness is something ZW is not that good at. The planes we now operate look miserable and I sure hope that if they get the Midwest flying they operate those to a higher standard. That includes no APUs on MEL for 10 days!

I don't really understand how Pinnacle can be competitive, simply because AFAIK, they don't own their own airplanes. Midwest is a direct competitor of NWA and I would think that this is a problem, unless Pinnacle is able to come up with some of their own airplanes.

I have heard that Midwest wants to start this service as early as Feb. 1. This is actually fairly soon around the corner.



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User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3198 times:

I can't believe that YX would remove any seats on the CRJ - they want 50 seaters. The type of seat - now that might be something. Perhaps they will insist on a more plush seat, like FlyI's RJ's had.

ZW needs this flying - I think every employee is crossing fingers and praying to every possible "higher power".



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User currently offlineMLIGRBZW825 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

DEFINITELY! it'd be so nice to actually see some of our own steel again...I also heard through the grapevine that a ground-handling contract is tied into this flying.......hmm.....


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