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Jet Airways Boeing 777-300ER?  
User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5332 times:

Will Jet Airways give back it's A340-300E it has sub-leased from SAA once the airline gets the B773ER early next year. They will be getting more A332's also by than so I was wondering if the A340-300E is in the JW fleet plan for a while?

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User currently offlineAviator27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5241 times:

I believe Jet Airways IATA code is 9W. Jet Airways is suffering from lack of crews for its widebody airplanes, including the A330's. Their international operations are not profitable, which is odd for an airline. There is overcapacity on the India-UK sectors. They are still awaiting clearance to fly from India-USA. Since the A340 is leased and will be an oddball in the fleet with the arrival of A330's and B777, it may be returned in the future. However, the Indian DGCA does not consider the A330 and A340 as similar type. Something about two engines versus four engines. So its is not as simply for Jet to transfer their A340 pilots over to the A330's. Over-capacity and lack of skilled pilots will continue to hurt the Indian aviation sector.

User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5179 times:
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Quoting United777 (Thread starter):
Will Jet Airways give back it's A340-300E it has sub-leased from SAA once the airline gets the B773ER early next year.

As a South African taxpayer I can safely say we want our property back, once the 9W lease runs out. Wink With speculation rife about SA opening up MIA, ORD and EZE, the airline is going to need the extra longhaul planes.


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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4852 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5143 times:

9W says that it makes a profit on its international flights to the Far East from India but not to UK. Their reasoning is that it takes an airline 2-3 years to make a new long haul route breakeven and that they expected losses for 3 years!

In the UK, they should soon start flights to MAN which is a niche market for Indians as there is no direct flight between MAN and India and the route is in high demand. Just look at how successful AIs ATQ-BHX-ATQ route has been.

Yes 9W has taken the initiative by launching ATQ-LHR flights which have great potential but MAN too needs to be given serious consideration as well the possibility of 3 weekly nonstop HYD-LHR / AMD-LHR and BLR-LHR.

All Indian carriers are facing a shortage of cabin crew and Air India will too feel it once more and more B 777s are delivered to them from next April onwards.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5125 times:

Quoting Aviator27 (Reply 1):
Since the A340 is leased and will be an oddball in the fleet with the arrival of A330's and B777, it may be returned in the future. However, the Indian DGCA does not consider the A330 and A340 as similar type. Something about two engines versus four engines. So its is not as simply for Jet to transfer their A340 pilots over to the A330's

That was new to me that in India the A330 and A340 can not be flown by the same crews. This is a huge blow for Airbus because commonality between these two is big sales argument for the A330/A340 family.



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3284 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5072 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 2):
As a South African taxpayer I can safely say we want our property back

I did not realize that SA was a govt. owned airline!

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 3):
All Indian carriers are facing a shortage of cabin crew

I'm not sure this is entirely true, since there seems to be no shortage of FAs, only of pilots and Maintenance engineers.

9W's losses are not surprising given they have not come out with one of the important aspects on an intl network - membership of a global alliance, and code shares on LongHaul flights. IMO, once 9W does that, they'll suddenly start seeing some more traffic on their flights, since business frequent travellers love their FF status and the associated previliges that brings.

In addition 9W currently suffers from the AI fixation on BOM/DEL - undoubtedly they are the biggest airports in the country, but unfortunately BOM-LHR or DEL-LHR are such crowded segments now, that it's bound to be really painful to get started and make money. I'm glad 9W has a few flights from the southern business cities (like MAA-SIN/KUL/CMB), but it's not enough by far.



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5058 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 3):

All Indian carriers are facing a shortage of cabin crew and Air India will too feel it once more and more B 777s are delivered to them from next April onwards.

After DL shut down its crew base here, if AI recruits well [highly unlikely] they could get some trained cabin crew--same can be said for 9W.

Karan


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5036 times:
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Quoting Nimish (Reply 5):
I did not realize that SA was a govt. owned airline!

Yes, unfortunately it still is and will remain government owned for a while. SR owned a 20% stake in SA at one stage, but the government bought it back after SR's demise.


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4926 times:
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With all the new capacity from the UK to India, BA, Virgin and BMI all expanding some one will see their future limited and drop the market. BMI with no service from LHR to the USA would be the first to go. JET Airways can subsidize the UK for now.

I would like to know the lease terms of those SAA A340? They seemed to have been acquired on short term notice which could mean the leases are very expensive, are they? With the 777 and A330 coming it would be more efficient for Jet to go with a an all twin egine fleet.


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4876 times:
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Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 8):
I would like to know the lease terms of those SAA A340? They seemed to have been acquired on short term notice which could mean the leases are very expensive, are they?

IIRC, Khaya Ngqula (CEO of SA) has thus far refused to divulge the terms of the lease agreement. At one stage the Sunday Times reported that he took a holiday in the Indian resort of Goa courtesy of Jet Airlines chairperson Naresh Goyal, shortly before awarding Jet the lease of three Airbuses, despite a bid by a rival airline that was worth R110-million more.... Need I say more?  biting 


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