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User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3072 times:

Travelling through London airports these days is becoming a headache and such a hassle. Why aren't other major european hubs such as AMS, FRA or CDG more attractive? certainly the infrastructures at these hubs are considerably better than those of LHR or LGW for example.

Cheers.

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User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

what do you mean by more attractive ? lower fares, number of connections offered, etc ?

User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3027 times:

yes lower fare and more connections. Say I want to go from NYC to DXB. Why can't I get the same deals and convenience going through AMS or CDG as going through LON. I always try to avoid Lon, and always end up going thru those lousy airports.

User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3766 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 2):
Say I want to go from NYC to DXB. Why can't I get the same deals and convenience going through AMS or CDG as going through LON.

Most likely because NYC-LON-DXB is a larger market than NYC-AMS-DXB. There are alot more connections and different carriers through London then there are via Amsterdam, thus the more competitive fares are perhaps cheaper fares!

London (most commonly LHR) airports are not that bad, alot of people write them off! They may not be the best airports, but they do offer alot more connections than other airports in Europe such as CDG, AMS and FRA! I personally enjoy flying from LON, especially LGW and LHR  Smile

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2963 times:

on AF you can do
AF009 : JFK 10:50 pm - CDG 11:50 am (next day) connecting to
AF526 : CDG 1:15 pm - DXB 9:50 pm

For the return, 2 possibilities :
AF525 : DXB 1:00 am -CDG 6:05 am connecting to
AF022 : CDG 8:25 am - JFK 10:15 am
OR
AF529 : DXB 11:55 am - CDG 5:10 pm connecting to
AF008 : CDG 6:55 pm - JFK 8:50 pm


User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2938 times:

I am familiar with AF schedule. The problem is that this itinerary is about $700 more than say EWR-LGW-DXB with CO and EK.

Cheers.


User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 5):
I am familiar with AF schedule. The problem is that this itinerary is about $700 more than say EWR-LGW-DXB with CO and EK.

that's a good argument !


User currently offlineChristeljs From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 533 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2829 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 2):
I always try to avoid Lon, and always end up going thru those lousy airports.

Each to their taste. I think LHR needs a little makeover, but apart from that, I love LHR, LGW.



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User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2825 times:

Yeah, I would love those airports if I didn't have to walk 5 miles to get to customs and wait an hour to get through immigration..

Cheers....


User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2066 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2645 times:

Well interestingly the suggestion in the UK financial press is that in the wake of the massive security upheavals following the alledged chemical plot to blow up trans-atlantic flights, BAA is resigned to cutting back on the number of shops in the terminals of its major airports to expand the room given over to check-in, immigration and security. BAA has received a hammering in the UK, including from the major carriers (Both legacy and LCC). It's also looking likely BAA will have to dispose of one of it's three London airports, with LGW considered the favourite (Least growth potential).

T5 at Heathrow, coupled with the proposed East Terminal (replacing T2 and then T1) should make a massive improvement. Plus if we see some shops closed then the experience of being in a massive shopping mall may be lessened. I think I've struggled to find an airport that meets a happy medium. UK airports have too many shops, cafes, etc; others around the world seem to have too few. Though I do like T1/T3 at MAN, especially the way all the food places before check-in are together with that excellent view of the apron between T3 and T1.



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User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2584 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 2):
yes lower fare and more connections. Say I want to go from NYC to DXB. Why can't I get the same deals and convenience going through AMS or CDG as going through LON. I always try to avoid Lon, and always end up going thru those lousy airports.

Why don't you bypass the European airports? The lowest fare from New York City to Dubai you get by flying the Emirates non-stop flight - return ticket from around $ 1,150.


User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 871 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 8):
Yeah, I would love those airports if I didn't have to walk 5 miles to get to customs and wait an hour to get through immigration..

The same applies to many airports in the US and other parts of the world. In fact, the most walking and waiting at immigration I've experienced has been in the US.


User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 8):
Yeah, I would love those airports if I didn't have to walk 5 miles to get to customs and wait an hour to get through immigration..

Try arriving at IAD in the afternoon - I'd be happy if it only took an hour to get through immigration there.



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User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 10):
Why don't you bypass the European airports? The lowest fare from New York City to Dubai you get by flying the Emirates non-stop flight - return ticket from around $ 1,150.

Tried that a couple of times before finding out that this flight does not qualify for elite miles with CO. Besides 14 hours is a little bit too long for me to be stuck in an aluminum tube.


User currently offlineEurohub From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2323 times:

DZ09, I'm looking at a trip to DXB myself in November and VS have some killer deals out of LHR at the moment - around 238 GBP inc. taxes when a Saturday night is included. I'd have to drive 120 miles and still endure the nightmare of LHR, but I'll do (almost) anything for a good deal.

Eurohub



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User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

Quoting Eurohub (Reply 14):
DZ09, I'm looking at a trip to DXB myself in November and VS have some killer deals out of LHR at the moment - around 238 GBP inc. taxes when a Saturday night is included. I'd have to drive 120 miles and still endure the nightmare of LHR, but I'll do (almost) anything for a good deal.

Eurohub

I would not fly VS again even if they're giving away their tickets. It's just me, I am a spoiled CO traveller. I care about selecting my own seat, and printing my boarding pass and dealing with pleasant F/A. As far as your trip, you should be able to get good deals with EK, QR or even KLM through AMS. You may want to consider Aerlingus, they usually have some amazing deals out of Ireland, if getting there is not a problem for you.

Cheers.


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

DZ09 From United States, joined Sep 2006, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted Sun Sep 10 2006 19:59:12 UTC+2 and read 731 times:

yes lower fare and more connections. Say I want to go from NYC to DXB. Why can't I get the same deals and convenience going through AMS or CDG as going through LON. I always try to avoid Lon, and always end up going thru those lousy airports.

Why dont u jus fly direct on EK if ur complaining about going through london!!


User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 16):
DZ09 From United States, joined Sep 2006, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted Sun Sep 10 2006 19:59:12 UTC+2 and read 731 times:

yes lower fare and more connections. Say I want to go from NYC to DXB. Why can't I get the same deals and convenience going through AMS or CDG as going through LON. I always try to avoid Lon, and always end up going thru those lousy airports.

Why dont u jus fly direct on EK if ur complaining about going through london!!

As I mentioned before, the NYC-DXB flight does not qualify for CO OnePass Elite miles. I wish that one of these days EK would join the SkyTeam alliance.

Cheers.


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

Whoops Sorry Didnt read that statement. I see your point now! Fair Enough but id like to see EK join oneworld!!  Wink

User currently offlinePieinthesky From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 392 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Thread starter):
Why aren't other major european hubs such as AMS, FRA or CDG more attractive? certainly the infrastructures at these hubs are considerably better than those of LHR or LGW for example.

AMS I'll give you, it's a fabulous airport. FRA is debatable, although it has it's good ponts. But CDG ??. You're having a laugh if you think that place is any better than LHR or LGW.


User currently offlineScotland1979 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 548 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2085 times:
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London Airports? Do not forget we do have London Airport here in Canada (YXU) Count us in Big grin Now you have 4 London Airports (Heathrow, Stanead, Gatwick and London YXU)  Wow!

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User currently offlineBOE773 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

I avoid LHR as well and would much rather transit thru AMS.
AMS is one of the better International airports and far surpasses that gridlocked mess at LHR.


User currently offlineJonno From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

I've always thought of AMS as a shopping mall that also offers convenient flights to anywhere in the world!!!!

User currently offlineHUYguy From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

Quoting Jonno (Reply 22):
I've always thought of AMS as a shopping mall that also offers convenient flights to anywhere in the world!!!!

Lol, Heathrow's the same! And to the thread starter: Can you not use KLM through AMS? Or they too expensive or something? If you want to avoid the London airports that much, you might have to pay more to do so.


User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2594 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

Quoting Scotland1979 (Reply 20):
London Airports? Do not forget we do have London Airport here in Canada (YXU) Count us in Big grin Now you have 4 London Airports (Heathrow, Stanead, Gatwick and London YXU) Wow!

Confusing you?

You don't have to. Many people are already confused enough. Including some airline agents. My wife came back from family visit during the long weekend. She flew KSC-VIE-LHR-YYZ-YXU. The OS agent at KSC had no clue that there is such city as London, ON. She kept asking my wife why she wants to fly to YYZ and then back to LHR, why just don't stay there! It took 25 minutes and help of second agent to figure out the real route and check her in.


25 AirEuropeUK733 : Don't forget Luton - and if we're trying to be tenious there's Southend, Manston (sorry Kent International), Biggin Hill, Farnborough etc etc etc!!!
26 747400F : lets not forget LTN and LCY
27 DZ09 : I do see AMS as an upscale mall. I have been traveling with KLM but connecting through LHR. I am actually traveling with them on Thursday on that sam
28 Scotland1979 : Alright! So now we have 6 in total ha Frank
29 HBJZA : One can't have it all : It's a vicious circle, if an airport offers the maximum possible connexions, it has to be crowded with lots of traffic and lot
30 FlyingKangaroo : The way I see it, the Lodon area has more premium pax O&D traffic than CDG, FRA, or AMS. Therefor, more airlines fly to the London airports with more
31 N1120A : Wow, another example of the idocy that is the PPP. The UK government should just renationalize the airports or put them under local control (TfL, for
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