Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5165 posts, RR: 52 Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5367 times:
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2): hmmm.. which Mexican airline is going to go outside the box? bring in some MCI, MSY, STL, RDU, CLT, etc.. I guess they need to get a foot in the door first..
MX is planning to land/return to SJU, SEA, BFL, DTW, ATL and CLT between 2006/2007! Perhaps later in two years we will see them landing at MCI, MSY, RDU... is getting really hot down here...
6A is getting Embraer's and will renew and boost its fleet from February 2007 to August of 2008. Remember that by October of 2007 several city pairs will open giving 3 airlines from each side to compete!!!
Quoting KLM685 (Reply 3): Aren't some of this destinations restricted to a couple of airlines?
Yes! Depends on the city-pair... but almost NOTHING is restricted from TIJ thus said, A5 can fly from TIJ to all those destinations above mentioned.
I forgot to mention, Avolar will invest 700 million during the next 05 years. During its first year of operation they only invested 60 million USD.
And it keeps getting better and better...
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
Rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4991 times:
Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter): 2. From 16 destinations it will go up to 32 in Mexico by the end of 2007.
Nehme also confirmed that Avolar will land in TLC by the end of October 2006... apparently they will fly to GDL and MTY (I thought it would be TIJ-TLC nonstop, but I guess they will go to TIJ with 1 stop), more competition for AM and MX...
Oakjam From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 182 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4565 times:
I flew OAK-TIJ on Azteca(ZE) #423 the last flight between these two cities. When I arrived to TIJ the Avolar jets look very new and nice. The livery is different than the normal but cool. My cousin flew from TIJ-GDL and said the service was great. Glad to see that there is an alternative to MX and AM.
Cessnalady From Mexico, joined May 2004, 310 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4500 times:
Quoting Rojo (Reply 8): Avolar will land in TLC by the end of October 2006... apparently they will fly to GDL and MTY (...), more competition for AM and MX...
IIRC, In this case the competition will not be for MX and MA, but for Interjet and Volaris...
Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter): 1. From a fleet of 01 it has now grown to 07 and will end up 2006 with 12 frames, 24 by 2007, 32 by 2008 and 40 by 2009 and 60 by 2011.
2. From 16 destinations it will go up to 32 in Mexico by the end of 2007.
Hmmmm... They are already running (rushing?)... I wonder if they already know how to walk properly...
This will be the fire test. Results are unpredictable at this point in time.
Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter): 4. They are currently in talks with Boeing to set an order for 20 firm Boeing 737-700NG's including 20 options. From the 20 firm, some will be owned others will be sold and lease back.
I'd love to take a look at their business plan... I wonder if they are seeing something no one else has, or if, in the contrary, they haven't seen something too obvious for everybody else...
Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter): 5. With this new fleet growth and time, they will fly to JFK, ORD, LAX, PHX, LAS, DFW, IAH and Canada (not yet decided where to) from now to 2008.
I must agree with ERJ170 these destinations are too typical... why not diversify? It is clear these are the strongest markets, but rather than fight for the same booty, why not cater to other unattended markets?
Quoting KLM685 (Reply 3): another Mexican Airline starting to grow dramatically, hope they do it carefully.
Rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 10 Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4339 times:
Quoting Cessnalady (Reply 14): IIRC, In this case the competition will not be for MX and MA, but for Interjet and Volaris...
AM and MX will be the most hurt, since they have the biggest market share in those markets. MEX/TLC - MTY and GDL have too much competition already but TIJ-MTY and TIJ-GDL only have ZE and 6A (JR is trying to get back) with AM and MX being the strongest, therefore, more cheap fares will hurt AM and MX mainly!!
Quoting Juventus (Reply 15): Excellent news. All the Mexican LCCs & Majors seem to be doing something, except Azteca.
There is no hope for ZE anymore!! They don't have the slightest idea of how to compete in the airline industry...
Skyone From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 415 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4192 times:
Quoting Cessnalady (Reply 14): Hmmmm... They are already running (rushing?)... I wonder if they already know how to walk properly...
Well, they might not know how to walk properly, but if they learn fast enoght they will destroy mexican flag carriers in those routes with its much lower CASM allowing them to sell cheaper on those routes than AM and MX. And if other airlines also compete against AM and MX in the rest of the routes, then the airlines that will be hurt are the ones with the higher CASM (guess which ones). It is not like before that AM and MX could fight in one route getting the money back from the monopoly of the other. In this days, they have competition in almost every single route they fly in Mexico and also tons of competition from American, Southamerican and European carriers on international routes. Adding to that that MX and AM are no longer owned by the same company (CINTRA), this means war. So no more monopoly, and like in other countries, the lowest CASM in a ultra pricesensitive market is the one that most likely will survive.
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4052 posts, RR: 91 Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3981 times:
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Ghost77 where would we be in Australia without your excellent updates of your local aviation developments. Again I find myseld thanking you sir. Not to question you but is there anylink to this as I would like to post it on a site about orders. I would naturally credit you and this site as the source but I feel it would be of some interest.
It must be quite good to watch your local aviation market develop so much
Thanks again for this new news which I appreciate.
Rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 10 Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3774 times:
AVolar just confirmed they will be landing in Toluca (TLC) with the following flights:
5x day TLC-MTY-TLC
4x day TLC-GDL-TLC
2x day TLC-CUN-TLC
these flights will compete against
2x day TLC-MTY
2x day TLC-GDL
2x day TLC-CUN (3x day on Saturday and Sunday)
5x day TLC-MTY (2x day on Saturday and Sunday)
5x day TLC-GDL (2x day on Saturday and 4x day on Sunday)
2x day TLC-CUN (1x day on Sunday)
Place your bets on who will survive the match... my bet goes to Volaris, then A Volar and finally Interjet!!! AM, MX, 6A, ZE and Magnicharters will also be hurt by these new flights... good luck to all of them and let the low fares come!!!
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7430 posts, RR: 44 Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3511 times:
If Interjet and Volaris had the same engines in their aircraft, a merger could be the way to go in the future... a merger would definitely ensure their long term survival and would put them in a position of great strength at TLC.