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AVolar From Mexico To Order 20 Boeing's!  
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5236 posts, RR: 51
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6448 times:

Last September 8th, 2006, Avolar from TIJ disclosed several important issues for its future growth during its 1st year of operation celebration:

1. From a fleet of 01 it has now grown to 07 and will end up 2006 with 12 frames, 24 by 2007, 32 by 2008 and 40 by 2009 and 60 by 2011.

2. From 16 destinations it will go up to 32 in Mexico by the end of 2007.

3. By 2008 they will start to exchange in Mexico's and US stock.

4. They are currently in talks with Boeing to set an order for 20 firm Boeing 737-700NG's including 20 options. From the 20 firm, some will be owned others will be sold and lease back.

5. With this new fleet growth and time, they will fly to JFK, ORD, LAX, PHX, LAS, DFW, IAH and Canada (not yet decided where to) from now to 2008.


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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5125 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6406 times:

That is great news! Always awesome to see an airline grow!


I Am A Different Animal!!
User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6789 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6355 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
With this new fleet growth and time, they will fly to JFK, ORD, LAX, PHX, LAS, DFW, IAH and Canada (not yet decided where to) from now to 2008.

Ohhh.. typical, typical, typical, typical, typical, typical, typical, and Canada..

hmmm.. which Mexican airline is going to go outside the box? bring in some MCI, MSY, STL, RDU, CLT, etc.. I guess they need to get a foot in the door first..

Oh well, congratulations to Avolar in any aspect. Welcome to the US.



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineKLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6342 times:

Great new from Avolar, another Mexican Airline starting to grow dramatically, hope they do it carefully.

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
5. With this new fleet growth and time, they will fly to JFK, ORD, LAX, PHX, LAS, DFW, IAH and Canada (not yet decided where to) from now to 2008.

Aren't some of this destinations restricted to a couple of airlines?
If so, how are they planning to get them? Bigger airlines (AM,MX & 6A) will hold what they got with strength!

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
hmmm.. which Mexican airline is going to go outside the box? bring in some MCI, MSY, STL, RDU, CLT, etc.. I guess they need to get a foot in the door first..

Well if BOS was a big no no for AM, then smaller cities would probably, just probably, not work. But there are big surprises with some routes sometimes.



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User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6789 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6331 times:

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 3):
Well if BOS was a big no no for AM, then smaller cities would probably, just probably, not work

True.. they would probably require smaller aircraft then the 737.. probably more E70-E90 routes. I smell what you cooking. We here..



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6196 times:

Can the E170/ E190 make MEX- US east coast given hot and high conditions and relative long distances and perhaps headwinds??

If they can make Mexico- US East coast and Canada then i think in the next few years we can expect many new orders for E-jets from Mexico for secondary US airport service.

AA1818



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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5236 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6160 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
hmmm.. which Mexican airline is going to go outside the box? bring in some MCI, MSY, STL, RDU, CLT, etc.. I guess they need to get a foot in the door first..

MX is planning to land/return to SJU, SEA, BFL, DTW, ATL and CLT between 2006/2007! Perhaps later in two years we will see them landing at MCI, MSY, RDU... is getting really hot down here...

6A is getting Embraer's and will renew and boost its fleet from February 2007 to August of 2008. Remember that by October of 2007 several city pairs will open giving 3 airlines from each side to compete!!!

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 3):
Aren't some of this destinations restricted to a couple of airlines?

Yes! Depends on the city-pair... but almost NOTHING is restricted from TIJ thus said, A5 can fly from TIJ to all those destinations above mentioned.

I forgot to mention, Avolar will invest 700 million during the next 05 years. During its first year of operation they only invested 60 million USD.

And it keeps getting better and better...

g77 APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1612 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5863 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
With this new fleet growth and time, they will fly to JFK, ORD, LAX, PHX, LAS, DFW, IAH and Canada (not yet decided where to) from now to 2008.



Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
Ohhh.. typical, typical, typical, typical, typical, typical, typical, and Canada

Not typical from TIJ, however. It would kick ass if TIJ could get some of these destinations.



Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2482 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5784 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
2. From 16 destinations it will go up to 32 in Mexico by the end of 2007.

Nehme also confirmed that Avolar will land in TLC by the end of October 2006... apparently they will fly to GDL and MTY (I thought it would be TIJ-TLC nonstop, but I guess they will go to TIJ with 1 stop), more competition for AM and MX...


User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5775 times:

Congratulations AVOLAR!

Now the backlog of some of the Mexican startups is as follows:

  • AVolar - 20 73G + 20 Options. I think they will be equipped with WL.
  • InterJet - 10 A320 + 10 Options.
  • Volaris - 16 A319 + 40 Options.


Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
1. From a fleet of 01 it has now grown to 07 and will end up 2006 with 12 frames, 24 by 2007, 32 by 2008 and 40 by 2009 and 60 by 2011.

2. From 16 destinations it will go up to 32 in Mexico by the end of 2007

According to a related article in América Economía magazine, AVOLAR has a LF of 75% and is currently moving 250,000 PAX; by 2007 is expected 1M.

Regards, Fyano


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5758 times:

Congrats to them on the growth. One interesting choice of livery as well.


One Nation Under God
User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2482 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5735 times:

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 9):
According to a related article in América Economía magazine, AVOLAR has a LF of 75% and is currently moving 250,000 PAX; by 2007 is expected 1M.

I read it was 69% which is not bad for a start up with lots of new routes!!! What I will like to know is the avarage fare paid by passengers and their CASK...


User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5696 times:

That's one hot livery.

I hope to see it at MIA or MCO soon.


User currently offlineOakjam From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5358 times:

I flew OAK-TIJ on Azteca(ZE) #423 the last flight between these two cities. When I arrived to TIJ the Avolar jets look very new and nice. The livery is different than the normal but cool. My cousin flew from TIJ-GDL and said the service was great. Glad to see that there is an alternative to MX and AM.

User currently offlineCessnalady From Mexico, joined May 2004, 310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5293 times:

Quoting Rojo (Reply 8):
Avolar will land in TLC by the end of October 2006... apparently they will fly to GDL and MTY (...), more competition for AM and MX...

IIRC, In this case the competition will not be for MX and MA, but for Interjet and Volaris...

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
1. From a fleet of 01 it has now grown to 07 and will end up 2006 with 12 frames, 24 by 2007, 32 by 2008 and 40 by 2009 and 60 by 2011.
2. From 16 destinations it will go up to 32 in Mexico by the end of 2007.

Hmmmm... They are already running (rushing?)... I wonder if they already know how to walk properly...  alert   old 

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
3. By 2008 they will start to exchange in Mexico's and US stock.

This will be the fire test. Results are unpredictable at this point in time.

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
4. They are currently in talks with Boeing to set an order for 20 firm Boeing 737-700NG's including 20 options. From the 20 firm, some will be owned others will be sold and lease back.

I'd love to take a look at their business plan... I wonder if they are seeing something no one else has, or if, in the contrary, they haven't seen something too obvious for everybody else...  scratchchin 

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
5. With this new fleet growth and time, they will fly to JFK, ORD, LAX, PHX, LAS, DFW, IAH and Canada (not yet decided where to) from now to 2008.

I must agree with ERJ170 these destinations are too typical... why not diversify? It is clear these are the strongest markets, but rather than fight for the same booty, why not cater to other unattended markets?

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 3):
another Mexican Airline starting to grow dramatically, hope they do it carefully.

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Marie


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5271 times:

Excellent news. All the Mexican LCCs & Majors seem to be doing something, except Azteca.

User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2482 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5132 times:

Quoting Cessnalady (Reply 14):
IIRC, In this case the competition will not be for MX and MA, but for Interjet and Volaris...

AM and MX will be the most hurt, since they have the biggest market share in those markets. MEX/TLC - MTY and GDL have too much competition already but TIJ-MTY and TIJ-GDL only have ZE and 6A (JR is trying to get back) with AM and MX being the strongest, therefore, more cheap fares will hurt AM and MX mainly!!

Quoting Juventus (Reply 15):
Excellent news. All the Mexican LCCs & Majors seem to be doing something, except Azteca.

There is no hope for ZE anymore!! They don't have the slightest idea of how to compete in the airline industry...


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5128 times:

Any information about Brazil's GOL plans to start-up operations in Mexico?

Rgs,


User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5109 times:

Isn't there also some Ryan Air spinoff or something of the sort to be started? Do you think there is enough market for all these airlines here in Mexico?


There is something special about planes....
User currently offlineSkyone From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4985 times:

Quoting Cessnalady (Reply 14):
Hmmmm... They are already running (rushing?)... I wonder if they already know how to walk properly...

Well, they might not know how to walk properly, but if they learn fast enoght they will destroy mexican flag carriers in those routes with its much lower CASM allowing them to sell cheaper on those routes than AM and MX. And if other airlines also compete against AM and MX in the rest of the routes, then the airlines that will be hurt are the ones with the higher CASM (guess which ones). It is not like before that AM and MX could fight in one route getting the money back from the monopoly of the other. In this days, they have competition in almost every single route they fly in Mexico and also tons of competition from American, Southamerican and European carriers on international routes. Adding to that that MX and AM are no longer owned by the same company (CINTRA), this means war. So no more monopoly, and like in other countries, the lowest CASM in a ultra pricesensitive market is the one that most likely will survive.


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4217 posts, RR: 89
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4774 times:
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Ghost77 where would we be in Australia without your excellent updates of your local aviation developments. Again I find myseld thanking you sir. Not to question you but is there anylink to this as I would like to post it on a site about orders. I would naturally credit you and this site as the source but I feel it would be of some interest.

It must be quite good to watch your local aviation market develop so much

Thanks again for this new news which I appreciate.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2482 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4567 times:

AVolar just confirmed they will be landing in Toluca (TLC) with the following flights:

5x day TLC-MTY-TLC
4x day TLC-GDL-TLC
2x day TLC-CUN-TLC

these flights will compete against

Volaris
2x day TLC-MTY
2x day TLC-GDL
2x day TLC-CUN (3x day on Saturday and Sunday)

Interjet
5x day TLC-MTY (2x day on Saturday and Sunday)
5x day TLC-GDL (2x day on Saturday and 4x day on Sunday)
2x day TLC-CUN (1x day on Sunday)

Place your bets on who will survive the match... my bet goes to Volaris, then A Volar and finally Interjet!!! AM, MX, 6A, ZE and Magnicharters will also be hurt by these new flights... good luck to all of them and let the low fares come!!!


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5236 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4442 times:

My bet goes for Avolar, followed by Volaris and Interjet as a third!

Avolar for somehow i foresee they have all the know how and a great operational team as a backup and big $$$ too.

Glad to know I finally will have the chance to try A5!!!

g77 APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4304 times:

If Interjet and Volaris had the same engines in their aircraft, a merger could be the way to go in the future... a merger would definitely ensure their long term survival and would put them in a position of great strength at TLC.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
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