Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
IB Increases MAD-GRU To 12 Weekly Nonstop  
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4265 times:

After increasing frequenciens MAD-GRU from daily to 10 weekly in March 2006 RE: IB Increases MAD-GRU To 10 Weekly A343/A346 (by Hardiwv Mar 1 2006 in Civil Aviation)#ID2633608

IB announced that it will further increase flights MAD-GRU from 10 to 12 weekly (A343/A346) as of 20 September 2006.

IB will keep its 5 weekly MAD-GIG nonstop flights (A343/A346), operating a total of 17 weekly flights between Brazil and Spain.

IB plans to operate 21 weekly flights Spain-Brazil by mid-2007: double daily MAD-GRU and daily MAD-GIG.

Rgs,

17 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4101 times:

Now is the time for all European airlines to increase their offerings to Brasil, filling up the void left by Varig. As for IB, it must be said that their new Business Class product is of very high standards. One still has to deal with occasional delays, questionable customer service, misconnections at MAD and the like, but once on board, the new business class is top notch. Pretty soon, the new Varig won't have to worry anymore about how to return to Europe, as the market will have been gobbled up.

User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
IB will keep its 5 weekly MAD-GIG nonstop flights (A343/A346), operating a total of 17 weekly flights between Brazil and Spain.

Thanks for the info Hardiw. Additionally, it seems Air Europa requested ANAC to fly MAD-GIG 2X as well. Flights are planned to begin by October (Don't know if this has been posted before).

Certainly, traffic between Brazil and MAD has increased.

Regards, Fyano


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3946 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 2):
it seems Air Europa requested ANAC to fly MAD-GIG 2X as well. Flights are planned to begin by October (Don't know if this has been posted before

Already approved Fyano, will really begin on November 6th and the first flight is overbooked even before any marketing has been made by Air Europa. And they will run the flights with their brand new A332 fleet.

Air Madrid will also fly 2x weekly GRU-MAD with A343 effective feb, 2007 as per ANAC info. Don't know if they will change some FOR routes in favor of GRU.

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
IB plans to operate 21 weekly flights Spain-Brazil by mid-2007: double daily MAD-GRU and daily MAD-GIG.

Hardi, again thanks for the news. It seems the bilateral Spain-Brazil for the Spanish carriers is short of additional frequencies (need to say that Air Europa and Air Madrid flies to Northeast and probably get special approval) as Air Madrid is flying 4x (will run 6x next year), Air Europa 5x and Iberia 19x.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 2):
Additionally, it seems Air Europa requested ANAC to fly MAD-GIG 2X as well.

As mentioned by Felipe, the request was approved. UX already operates MAD-SSA 3 x week.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
Air Madrid will also fly 2x weekly GRU-MAD with A343 effective feb, 2007 as per ANAC info. Don't know if they will change some FOR routes in favor of GRU

Interesting. Air Madrid last year pulled out of GIG, a decision I'm sure they deeply regret.

Air Madrid currently operates MAD-FOR-EZE with 5th freedom rights. They stated interest in operating MAD-FOR-SCL as welll, but with the current increase in capacity to SCL (GOL will start 3 daily flights, and LAN established GIG nonstop service) it will be hard to compete in the Brazil-Chile market.

Rgs,


User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3812 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 4):
As mentioned by Felipe, the request was approved. UX already operates MAD-SSA 3 x week.

4 weekly: TUE, THU, SAT and SUN

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
Air Europa 5x

4 x MAD-SSA + 2 x MAD-GIG



Varig, Varig, Varig
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3716 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 5):
4 x MAD-SSA + 2 x MAD-GIG

The additional service to SSA is only during the IATA winter.

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 5):
4 weekly: TUE, THU, SAT and SUN

Nowadays 3x

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 4):
Air Madrid currently operates MAD-FOR-EZE with 5th freedom rights. They stated interest in operating MAD-FOR-SCL as welll, but with the current increase in capacity to SCL (GOL will start 3 daily flights, and LAN established GIG nonstop service) it will be hard to compete in the Brazil-Chile market.

Also they keep a weekly service BCN-FOR-SCL, the only one flight from Barcelona to Brazil non stop.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
need to say that Air Europa and Air Madrid flies to Northeast and probably get special approval) as Air Madrid is flying 4x (will run 6x next year), Air Europa 5x and Iberia 19x



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
Also they keep a weekly service BCN-FOR-SCL, the only one flight from Barcelona to Brazil non stop.

Here is a summary overview of Brazil-Spain fligts (please correct if mistakes):

- IB (17 weekly): 12 MAD-GRU A343/A346 + 5 MAD-GIG A343/A346
- UX (5 weekly): 3 MAD-SSA A332 + 2 MAD-GIG A332
- ND (5 weekly): 4 MAD-FOR A333 + 1 BCN-FOR A333
- PU (3 weekly): 3 MAD-GIG B763
- BRA (2 weekly): 2 (GIG-)GRU-MAD B763

TOTAL: 32 weekly flights (14 GRU, 10 GIG, 5 FOR, 3 SSA)

Rgs,


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3629 times:

In addition to the above: AIR MADRID also confirmed it will start flights MAD-GRU 2 x week A332 starting in February 2007.

This will increase flights MAD-GRU from the current 14 weekly (IB+BRA) to 16 weekly (IB+BRA+ND).

No information as yet whether the ND's GRU flights received 5th freedom rights to other destinations (ND operates MAD-FOR-EZE with 5th freedom)

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3514 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 7):
BRA (2 weekly): 2 (GIG-)GRU-MAD B763

BRA flies GRU-GIG-MAD-LIS and GIG-GRU-LIS-MAD

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 8):
No information as yet whether the ND's GRU flights received 5th freedom rights to other destinations (ND operates MAD-FOR-EZE with 5th freedom)

Air Madrid will fly only MAD-GRU-MAD

UX today in an interview announced that they will fly GIG-MAD 4x weekly very soon, could be reducing SSA service.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
UX today in an interview announced that they will fly GIG-MAD 4x weekly very soon, could be reducing SSA service.

Wow.. However SSA seems doing quite well as told by a lot of people I know have flown UX from there lately.
Where does PU flights GIG-MAD count on Bilateral?
Uruguay-Brazil and Uruguay-Spain only?



Varig, Varig, Varig
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3426 times:

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 10):
However SSA seems doing quite well



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
UX today in an interview announced that they will fly GIG-MAD 4x weekly very soon

I agree UX is doing quite well in SSA. I dont think they will reduce their successful flights to SSA.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
Air Madrid will fly only MAD-GRU-MAD

Interesting. Competition on MAD-GRU is getting tougher. NM and BRA both offer very competitive fares, and IB has just increased flights.

It is a long time since NM wanted to enter the profitable market of GRU. While NM operated in GIG last year they wanted to make a stop-over in GRU to make the flight (more) profitable however they were not granted slots for GRU and had restriction on the sale of tickets. Now with NM flying 5/6 weekly flights MAD-FOR, it seems authorities finally granted the airline the chance to land in much sought-after GRU market.

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 10):
Where does PU flights GIG-MAD count on Bilateral?
Uruguay-Brazil and Uruguay-Spain only?

Good question. PU has 5th freedom rights, but I believe they still put RG code on their MAD flights, correct?

Rgs,


User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3398 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 11):
I agree UX is doing quite well in SSA. I dont think they will reduce their successful flights to SSA.

Largest Spaniard community in Brazil is at Salvador, their flights are always full and fares high. Now they're launching GIG looking for southern brazil pax especially. So, SSA will probably continue as more economically attractive.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 11):
Good question. PU has 5th freedom rights, but I believe they still put RG code on their MAD flights, correct?

I believe that PU has to ask rights to use for both, Uruguay-Brazil and Uruguay-Spain available frequencies as they can sell seats in any direction.



Varig, Varig, Varig
User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11672 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3390 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
IB announced that it will further increase flights MAD-GRU from 10 to 12 weekly (A343/A346) as of 20 September 2006.

Just a thought, isn't this a little close to the date of the extra flights commencing to announce them, or has it already been open for bookings for some time?

Dan Smile



...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3323 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 11):
It is a long time since NM wanted to enter the profitable market of GRU. While NM operated in GIG last year they wanted to make a stop-over in GRU to make the flight (more) profitable however they were not granted slots for GRU and had restriction on the sale of tickets. Now with NM flying 5/6 weekly flights MAD-FOR, it seems authorities finally granted the airline the chance to land in much sought-after GRU market.

As far as i know, NM received not regular frequencies to GIG (charter) and their request to sell only 20 tickets on GIG-MAD market was denied by DAC (nowadays ANAC). At that time NM was not regular as nowadays, and they never looked before to GRU. Also how they could look to GRU if even at GIG they were not authorized to sell tickets.

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 12):
Largest Spaniard community in Brazil is at Salvador, their flights are always full and fares high. Now they're launching GIG looking for southern brazil pax especially. So, SSA will probably continue as more economically attractive.

Yes, there are only 4 weekly flights MAD-SSA and it could explain their success. But i doubt about the largest Spanish community: Comment from the consulate web site: "En Salvador de Bahía se encuentra la tercera mayor concentración de españoles de Brasil, tras Sao Paulo y Rio. Se trata de una colonia de alrededor de 7.000 españoles, la más numerosa de las colectividades extranjeras".
From Rio : "... Com jurisdição sobre os Estados brasileiros do Rio de Janeiro, Espírito Santo e Minas Gerais, este Consulado Geral presta assistência a mais de 20.000 espanhóis inscritos como residentes...."
From Sao Paulo: no info available

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 13):
Just a thought, isn't this a little close to the date of the extra flights commencing to announce them, or has it already been open for bookings for some time?

It was partially sold as GIG-MAD as it was a daily flight till middle of august. IB changed the flight two weeks ago IIRC at the system.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3248 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 14):
As far as i know, NM received not regular frequencies to GIG (charter) and their request to sell only 20 tickets on GIG-MAD market was denied by DAC

Correct. But NM also wanted to make a stop-over in GRU with pax rights, which was denied by ANAC. What was really wrong is that NM started to blame the GIG market for its decision to axe GIG from its network and everybody knows that the problem was with the negotiations between NM and ANAC.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 14):
It was partially sold as GIG-MAD as it was a daily flight till middle of august. IB changed the flight two weeks ago IIRC at the system.

I hope IB turns GIG back to daily in the Southern Hemisphere Summer, but no concrete indication as yet.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
UX today in an interview announced that they will fly GIG-MAD 4x weekly very soon, could be reducing SSA service.

UX's MAD-SSA is a success. UX announced that it will NOT reduce flights to SSA, but only operate twice weekly MAD-GIG. UX plans for the future is to operate daily SSA flights. SSA is first priority for UX in Brazil.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 14):
But i doubt about the largest Spanish community

Indeed, by and large Sao Paulo has the largest Spaniar community in Brazil, followed by Rio de Janeiro. I have my doubts whether Salvador is even third biggest community. South Brazil has a considerable community from Galicia. I'm sure Sao Paulo has at least 50% of the Spanish community in Brazil - as for business Sao Paulo could have even bigger share (around 70% or more), as it is one of the cities with the biggest Spanish foreign investment in the world (together with Mexico City and London).

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3217 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 15):
as for business Sao Paulo could have even bigger share (around 70% or more),

Telecom and banks are at Sao Paulo (Santander, BBVA, Telefonica, Telefonica Moviles), but Energy, Oil and Gas are all in Rio Hardi, also Santander transfer their ex-Sao Paulo Area, including a director, from Sao Paulo to Rio last week. 70% seems to be a little excessive number, probably something closer to 50% Sao Paulo, 30% Rio and 20% for the rest of Brazil IMO.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 15):
I hope IB turns GIG back to daily in the Southern Hemisphere Summer, but no concrete indication as yet.

I personally doubt Hardi. Easy to see they going to 2x daily to Sao Paulo before upgrading GIG-MAD to daily. IMO even smaller, GIG is a dormant gold mine nowadays.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3133 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 16):
Telecom and banks are at Sao Paulo (Santander, BBVA, Telefonica, Telefonica Moviles), but Energy, Oil and Gas are all in Rio

Indeed, but the volume of Spanish investment in the financial/banking + telecom sector in Brazil is much larger if compared to oil and gas and energy.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 16):
Easy to see they going to 2x daily to Sao Paulo before upgrading GIG-MAD to daily

They have to react to other carriers to protect valuable GRU market. IB cannot see AF, TP, BA and LH increase flights under their nose in GRU. GIG will be easier for IB to recover although for me it is hard to believe IB cannot keep daily GIG flights.

Rgs,


Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
IB Increases MAD-GRU To 10 Weekly A343/A346 posted Fri Feb 24 2006 10:31:54 by Hardiwv
AF Increases CDG-GRU To 12 Weekly Nov/06 posted Mon Feb 20 2006 15:04:15 by Hardiwv
AR Upgrades GIG To 21x Weekly GRU To 27x Weekly posted Fri Aug 11 2006 05:52:16 by LipeGIG
AC Increases YYZ-BOG To 6x Weekly posted Fri Dec 16 2005 19:36:38 by SOUTHAMERICA
BA Increases SEA-LHR To 10x Weekly posted Fri Dec 9 2005 07:06:48 by RwSEA
Continental Increases CCS-EWR To 4X Weekly posted Thu Dec 8 2005 15:38:40 by Luisde8cd
AA To Incrase MIA-GRU To 18 Weekly posted Fri Aug 22 2003 15:20:50 by MAH4546
Air India Increases UAE Flights To 77 Weekly posted Wed May 21 2003 18:51:04 by B747-437B
IB No More Point To Point-will Consolidate MAD Hub posted Tue Dec 6 2005 17:37:53 by MaverickM11
Taca Increases Lima-Caracas-Lima To 11X Weekly! posted Mon Apr 11 2005 17:33:25 by Luisde8cd