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Pilots Who Are Not From The Country They Fly For!  
User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7004 times:

Stupid question, but I have no idea!

I flew BA the other day SOU-MAN, pilot was French.

Flew Emirates LGW-DXB, pilot was American.

Flew Virgin last year LHR-LAX, F/O was Swiss (and female a looked gorgeous!!)

Anybody want to hazard a guess as to what percentage of a airline's aircrew are not resident of the country from where the airline they work for originates?


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User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1217 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6986 times:

Well I would guess that for an airline like Emirates it is in the 90% range?


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User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1610 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6976 times:

I know CX has a pile of English/Australian/New Zealanders flying, possibly some Americans as well.

CI has about 30% foreign pilots.

Slightly off topic, about 20 years ago I heard a statement from someone who worked Tech at JNB that LH had more South African techs than German techs.



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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6963 times:

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 1):
Well I would guess that for an airline like Emirates it is in the 90% range?

I agree EK pilots come from all over the world


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8866 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6952 times:

Quoting Cumulus (Thread starter):
Anybody want to hazard a guess as to what percentage of a airline's aircrew are not resident of the country from where the airline they work for originates?

All three examples could be pilots resident of the airline home base. Resident, passport, and place of birth can be three different things. E.g. the swiss FO may have been born in france, has a swiss passport, and resides in the UK.

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 2):
I know CX has a pile of English/Australian/New Zealanders flying, possibly some Americans as well.

From all over the world, a lot of them are residents in Hong Kong. The majority of pilots in CX are expats. The company was set up by two expat pilots, an american and australian.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6832 times:

We have 30% of Expats mainly Brazil,UK & philiphines.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineRyanairCRL From France, joined Dec 2005, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6800 times:

for FR, i know we have pilots from :

Ireland, UK, France, Swiss, Denmark, Belgium, Holland, Brazil, USA, Spain, Italy, Greece, Germany, Sweden

and those are just the ones I personnally know, but I'm sure there's gotta be more than that.

But although they work for an Irish company, lots of them are still at home, being based in their home country.



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User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6769 times:

Quoting RyanairCRL (Reply 6):
for FR, i know we have pilots from :
Holland

one of those being Venezuelan really ...

BR has around 60 pilots from Venezuela, that started when VA went bust. Some VC and VH pilots too.



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3097 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6732 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 5):
We have 30% of Expats mainly Brazil,UK & philiphines.
regds
MEL

This will be temporary, maybe for next 3-4 years.....the sudden surge in civil aviation has created the need to use expat pilots....in a few years time, when lot of Indian pilots come out of training academies, etc., the expats will be pushed out for sure.... smile 


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8866 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6575 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 8):
This will be temporary, maybe for next 3-4 years.....the sudden surge in civil aviation has created the need to use expat pilots....in a few years time, when lot of Indian pilots come out of training academies, etc., the expats will be pushed out for sure....

I think not, the local training capacity (around 200 per year) is less than the current order ledger.



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3097 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6570 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 9):
I think not, the local training capacity (around 200 per year) is less than the current order ledger.

Who says all Indian pilots will train locally...? Lot's will go abroad for training....In fact, i'm quite sure it must be happening already... smile 


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8866 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6548 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 10):
Who says all Indian pilots will train locally...? Lot's will go abroad for training....In fact, i'm quite sure it must be happening already...

At some point one must to obtain a local licence.

At some point one must to work for a local airline.

Your point being ?



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6528 times:

Quoting Cumulus (Thread starter):
Flew Virgin last year LHR-LAX, F/O was Swiss (and female a looked gorgeous!!)

Just out of curiosity, why do we men feel inclined to comment on a female pilot's looks??


User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6436 times:

If you look at most of the job requirements of pilots it doesn't say you have to be a citizen of the airline's country. Because of the nature of the business, pilots comer from all corners of the world. That being said, it is VERY difficult to fly in many countries if you obtained your licenses at a different country. Places like UAE, or most of ASIA, they use a standard form of license that is why there are many pilots from different countries. Europe uses a specialised license system so you will not see many non-European pilots there.

User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3980 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6416 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 12):
Just out of curiosity, why do we men feel inclined to comment on a female pilot's looks??

I was made to feel really old yesterday. I was called into the flightdeck of a BA A319 to talk to the Captain, and it was a young girl who looked not much older than my daughter!. (My daughter is 24)
I asked the dispatcher who is about 30 yrs old, and she said they were about the same age.
Its time to get early retirement. I wish an offer was coming.


User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6367 times:

Quoting RyanairCRL (Reply 6):
being based in their home country.

Didn't know FR flew to Brazil!!!!



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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6367 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 12):
Just out of curiosity, why do we men feel inclined to comment on a female pilot's looks??

It's a uniform thing!!!  Wink



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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6310 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 12):
Just out of curiosity, why do we men feel inclined to comment on a female pilot's looks??

It's a uniform thing!!!!  Wink



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6283 times:
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Quoting RyanairCRL (Reply 6):
but I'm sure there's gotta be more than that.

I know a South African who flies for FR as well.


Rgds

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User currently offlineRyanairCRL From France, joined Dec 2005, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks ago) and read 6251 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 18):
know a South African who flies for FR as well.

that's right, I know one as well, based in SNN. the same person ?

Quoting Cumulus (Reply 15):
Didn't know FR flew to Brazil!!!!

we soon will, you didn't know ??



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User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks ago) and read 6188 times:

At BA there's a nice mix of nationalities amongst flight deck crew. In particular it seems a lot of the new FOs are Dutch.

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8942 posts, RR: 40
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6112 times:

Lot's of Brazilian pilots in Asia.

Cheers



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User currently offlineFXMD11 From Thailand, joined Aug 2004, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6109 times:

SQ has a lot of Expat / Foreign Crew. Many from them are from Scandinavia and Australia. Thai (TG) used to have around 60 foreign pilots. Most of them
were Danish or Swedish. The last left 1996. Since then it is all Thai.

Phuket Air used to have 3 French Captains. One of them has a bar in Hua Hin now. Well....


User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6084 times:

I deal with a very diverse group of expat Captains at KE. They primarily have
American, Australian, Canadian, Malaysian, and Russian Captains, along with
at least one Austrian, Colombian, Mexican, and a New Zealander in their 777
left seater group. There are also probably a good nationality mix in the 744
captains as well.



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User currently offlineJrosa From Brazil, joined Jun 2005, 367 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6005 times:

My father was an expat captain with China Airlines for 4 years (MD11 and A340), now he is back in Brazil working in Gol (737-7/8). I know that there are some Brazilians working in Air India, Singapore, Korean Air, Emirates, Ryanair, China Airlines, EVA, and I heard about one working in JAL.

25 ThereAndBack : I've heard that Kenya Airways has a lot of pilots from Europe.
26 9VSRH : The majority of Cathay Pacific's pilots are Australian, British, and Canadian there are also some locals that have come throught the cadet program. I
27 SA7700 : No, this guy is based at STN. Rgds SA7700
28 Post contains images BaylorAirBear : Hopefully, I'll be flying on Oz, soon. A better question would be, why does the topic title end in an exclamation mark? BAB
29 CX flyboy : About 90% of our guys and gals are from overseas.
30 Cumulus : I didn't put it there..........!
31 KLM685 : Probably it was the question he always wanted to ask or what he always wanted to discuss. Mexicans fly alot in US airlines.
32 Post contains images Cumulus : And I'd just love to fly to Brazil with FR, not!! Mind you, wouldn't mind if it was on one of their old 200s!!!!!!!!!!
33 Sunandan : I've flown SQ on numerous occassions, but on two particular instances, the captain was an Indian on one flight, while both the captain and the F/O wer
34 HAWK21M : Did they use the "NAMASHKAR" word.I doubt it since it was not an Indian carrier.It sounds good on VHF though. regds MEL
35 Gr8Circle : I recall that even back in the 70's, quite a few AI pilots used to quit and join SQ....
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