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Pilots Who Are Not From The Country They Fly For!  
User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 931 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

Stupid question, but I have no idea!

I flew BA the other day SOU-MAN, pilot was French.

Flew Emirates LGW-DXB, pilot was American.

Flew Virgin last year LHR-LAX, F/O was Swiss (and female a looked gorgeous!!)

Anybody want to hazard a guess as to what percentage of a airline's aircrew are not resident of the country from where the airline they work for originates?


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User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 997 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Well I would guess that for an airline like Emirates it is in the 90% range?


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User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan Region, joined Jul 2006, 736 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

I know CX has a pile of English/Australian/New Zealanders flying, possibly some Americans as well.

CI has about 30% foreign pilots.

Slightly off topic, about 20 years ago I heard a statement from someone who worked Tech at JNB that LH had more South African techs than German techs.


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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5462 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 1):
Well I would guess that for an airline like Emirates it is in the 90% range?

I agree EK pilots come from all over the world

User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Dec 2006, 3274 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

Quoting Cumulus (Thread starter):
Anybody want to hazard a guess as to what percentage of a airline's aircrew are not resident of the country from where the airline they work for originates?

All three examples could be pilots resident of the airline home base. Resident, passport, and place of birth can be three different things. E.g. the swiss FO may have been born in france, has a swiss passport, and resides in the UK.

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 2):
I know CX has a pile of English/Australian/New Zealanders flying, possibly some Americans as well.

From all over the world, a lot of them are residents in Hong Kong. The majority of pilots in CX are expats. The company was set up by two expat pilots, an american and australian.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 24404 posts, RR: 48
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

We have 30% of Expats mainly Brazil,UK & philiphines.
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User currently offlineRyanairCRL From France, joined Dec 2005, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2505 times:

for FR, i know we have pilots from :

Ireland, UK, France, Swiss, Denmark, Belgium, Holland, Brazil, USA, Spain, Italy, Greece, Germany, Sweden

and those are just the ones I personnally know, but I'm sure there's gotta be more than that.

But although they work for an Irish company, lots of them are still at home, being based in their home country.


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User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1219 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2474 times:

Quoting RyanairCRL (Reply 6):
for FR, i know we have pilots from :
Holland

one of those being Venezuelan really ...

BR has around 60 pilots from Venezuela, that started when VA went bust. Some VC and VH pilots too.


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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 2034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2437 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 5):
We have 30% of Expats mainly Brazil,UK & philiphines.
regds
MEL

This will be temporary, maybe for next 3-4 years.....the sudden surge in civil aviation has created the need to use expat pilots....in a few years time, when lot of Indian pilots come out of training academies, etc., the expats will be pushed out for sure.... smile 

User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Dec 2006, 3274 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2280 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 8):
This will be temporary, maybe for next 3-4 years.....the sudden surge in civil aviation has created the need to use expat pilots....in a few years time, when lot of Indian pilots come out of training academies, etc., the expats will be pushed out for sure....

I think not, the local training capacity (around 200 per year) is less than the current order ledger.


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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 2034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 9):
I think not, the local training capacity (around 200 per year) is less than the current order ledger.

Who says all Indian pilots will train locally...? Lot's will go abroad for training....In fact, i'm quite sure it must be happening already... smile 

User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Dec 2006, 3274 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2253 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 10):
Who says all Indian pilots will train locally...? Lot's will go abroad for training....In fact, i'm quite sure it must be happening already...

At some point one must to obtain a local licence.

At some point one must to work for a local airline.

Your point being ?


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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined today!, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2233 times:

Quoting Cumulus (Thread starter):
Flew Virgin last year LHR-LAX, F/O was Swiss (and female a looked gorgeous!!)

Just out of curiosity, why do we men feel inclined to comment on a female pilot's looks??

User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States, joined Jan 2005, 2415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

If you look at most of the job requirements of pilots it doesn't say you have to be a citizen of the airline's country. Because of the nature of the business, pilots comer from all corners of the world. That being said, it is VERY difficult to fly in many countries if you obtained your licenses at a different country. Places like UAE, or most of ASIA, they use a standard form of license that is why there are many pilots from different countries. Europe uses a specialised license system so you will not see many non-European pilots there.

User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2044 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2121 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 12):
Just out of curiosity, why do we men feel inclined to comment on a female pilot's looks??

I was made to feel really old yesterday. I was called into the flightdeck of a BA A319 to talk to the Captain, and it was a young girl who looked not much older than my daughter!. (My daughter is 24)
I asked the dispatcher who is about 30 yrs old, and she said they were about the same age.
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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

Quoting RyanairCRL (Reply 6):
being based in their home country.

Didn't know FR flew to Brazil!!!!


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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 12):
Just out of curiosity, why do we men feel inclined to comment on a female pilot's looks??

It's a uniform thing!!!  Wink


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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2015 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 12):
Just out of curiosity, why do we men feel inclined to comment on a female pilot's looks??

It's a uniform thing!!!!  Wink


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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 1976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1988 times:
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Quoting RyanairCRL (Reply 6):
but I'm sure there's gotta be more than that.

I know a South African who flies for FR as well.


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User currently offlineRyanairCRL From France, joined Dec 2005, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 18):
know a South African who flies for FR as well.

that's right, I know one as well, based in SNN. the same person ?

Quoting Cumulus (Reply 15):
Didn't know FR flew to Brazil!!!!

we soon will, you didn't know ??


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User currently offlineShamrock_747 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1536 posts, RR: 37
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

At BA there's a nice mix of nationalities amongst flight deck crew. In particular it seems a lot of the new FOs are Dutch.


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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 4505 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

Lot's of Brazilian pilots in Asia.

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