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SAS Considering 787....  
User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 775 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11440 times:

According to this...


http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=596303


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21478 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11428 times:

So now we have UA, AA, SAS and the Japanese airline on the list of "going to" but no actual orders...


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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11428 times:

If this is confirmed, it will be a big win for Boeing.

Tony



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User currently offlineB777A340Fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 771 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11359 times:

Depends on which aircraft SAS is looking to replace. In the long-range department, SAS has been operating a significant family of airbus aircrafts for quite some time, I somehow doubt that they would want to introduce Boeings at this time. I could be wrong though.

User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3097 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11326 times:

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 3):
SAS has been operating a significant family of airbus aircrafts for quite some time, I somehow doubt that they would want to introduce Boeings at this time. I could be wrong though.

Why would introducing Boeing's be such a problem, even if you have been operating a fleet of Airbus aircraft.....?


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2489 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11230 times:

I don't think it will happen.

The link said they were seeking to take 2 A340's from AC + 15+ 787's which seems way to much for such a ''small'' international carrier as SAS, which only has 11 A330/A340's. Could have been true , but only as a direct replacement for the Airbusses. But since the AC planes will not come available untill next year, when the first 777 will be delivered, it would ready for Active service at the end of 2007 (SAS cabins, Repainted in SAS colours). So when they plan to take the 787 in service in 2011, taking 2 planes for only 4 years seems a waste of money. If they lease it, its a different story, but the artical says they want to ''take them from AC''


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8291 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11215 times:
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I'm surprised since SAS A330/340 are only about 5 years old.

User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11178 times:

Like all the other rumors on anet, time will tell.


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User currently offlineCobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 1009 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11002 times:

Quoting SNATH (Reply 2):
If this is confirmed, it will be a big win for Boeing.

Even if they pick Airbus it wont be a big loss for Boeing, only a couple of frames


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 4756 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10935 times:

Im not really surprised at reading about this as I've read in different forums and magazines that SK find the A 333 used for trans-atlantic flights too big capacity wise.

With the B 787, they can use the B 787-800 for trans-atlantic and medium density long haul flights to Africa, Asia, India and the Middle East. They can also use the B 788 to open new long haul markets for which their current A 333 and A 343 fleet is too big to fly.

The larger B 787-100X they can use from 2011-13 onwards to replace by that time the inefficient A 340-300 used on high density long haul flights to USA and the Far East.

Therefore a fleet consisting of B 788s + B 781Xs is perfectly suited for SAS in my opinion  Wink Both are twin engined and vvv efficient aircraft.


User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10749 times:

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 8):
Even if they pick Airbus it wont be a big loss for Boeing, only a couple of frames

dont think Boeing would hire you as a salesman.....



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User currently offlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10720 times:

Judging from SAS past they will most likely buy from both Airbus and Boeing. Preferably a couple of frames of each model.

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10639 times:

Quoting Agill (Reply 11):
Judging from SAS past they will most likely buy from both Airbus and Boeing. Preferably a couple of frames of each model.

Add in a few IL-96s as well  Wink . After all, someone has to replace McDD for SAS  Silly .


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30651 posts, RR: 84
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10600 times:
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Quoting MauriceB (Reply 5):
when they plan to take the 787 in service in 2011, taking 2 planes for only 4 years seems a waste of money. If they lease it, its a different story, but the artical says they want to ''take them from AC''

This assumes SK will actually take delivery in 2011. I'm not sure if the "I'm thinking delivery to SAS in 2011, but not confirmed." comment is from Mr. Lindgren or is speculation on behalf of the poster (tommy777.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 6):
I'm surprised since SAS A330/340 are only about 5 years old.

Well they'd be a decade old in 2011, but if delivery is pushed back farther, that might better fit SK's plan.


User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10475 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 12):
After all, someone has to replace McDD for SAS


And that,s almost 60 frames  Smile



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10401 times:

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 14):
And that,s almost 60 frames

Actually I didn't mean Il as replacing the MDs at SAS, rather as their third manufacturer of choice, seeing as how they have a tendency of operating 737s alongside MD-8Xs and A32Xs  Wink .


User currently offlineHentzz From Estonia, joined Mar 2006, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9961 times:

At least something positive from SK. Lately i haven't heard much positive news about SAS. I think the 787 would work quite good for SAS cause it has the range for far eastern ops but it's small enough for north-american routes. Of course time will tell!

User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3983 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9803 times:

This is hardly news. SAS buys a couple of everything so it was sure to happen.

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7058 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9662 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 15):
Actually I didn't mean Il as replacing the MDs at SAS, rather as their third manufacturer of choice, seeing as how they have a tendency of operating 737s alongside MD-8Xs and A32Xs Wink .

Embraers will do the job  Smile
I think that the 787 will fit SAS needs perfectly but I doubt that they order it soon. They have fairly new A330/A340s that are doing a perfect job and SAS is not the wealthiest carrier around.



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User currently offlineB777A340Fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 771 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9452 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 4):

Why would introducing Boeing's be such a problem, even if you have been operating a fleet of Airbus aircraft.....?

Plenty of airlines operate both Boeings and Airbuses, in fact, SAS currently is. However, all I'm saying is that unless they're extremely unhappy with the Airbuses that they currently operate for their long-range flights, I wouldn't see why they would switch over to Boeing unless there is some incentive to do so....


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2376 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9452 times:

I hope it is true!!! It'll be so awesome going spotting at CPH if we get 787s Big grin

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9511 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7905 times:

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 3):
In the long-range department, SAS has been operating a significant family of airbus aircrafts for quite some time

They just very recently switched from 767-300ERs. Those A340s and A330s are very new since they all are between 2 and 5 years old. SAS use to be a big Douglas operator. They first started long haul service with DC8s and then went to DC10s. They are a very recent Airbus long range airplane operator. It seems awfully early to replace the Airbus planes, but they could just be increasing their fleet. SAS has some weird fleet planning since they are a relatively small airline, but operate such a diverse fleet.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7831 times:

I hope SAS gets 787's. It will fit their needs perfectly as Behramjee said.

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User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2727 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7590 times:

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 3):
Depends on which aircraft SAS is looking to replace. In the long-range department, SAS has been operating a significant family of airbus aircrafts for quite some time, I somehow doubt that they would want to introduce Boeings at this time. I could be wrong though.

If SAS orders anything else than A330/A340 it will be for replacement.

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 4):
Why would introducing Boeing's be such a problem, even if you have been operating a fleet of Airbus aircraft.....?

I think B777A340Fan was thinking of a mixed fleet, but I truly hope they do not do this. However, SAS long distance fleet, has been strange from time to time.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 6):
I'm surprised since SAS A330/340 are only about 5 years old.

SAS only had the B767 for about 12 years, so they should be thinking about what to replace those birds with. Perhaps SAS sees an opportunity in these new planes to increase their profits on the intercontinental routes. They do not make money on these routes, but if the pilots get the productivity up, then perhaps SAS will please their pilots by ordering new equipment.

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 9):
Im not really surprised at reading about this as I've read in different forums and magazines that SK find the A 333 used for trans-atlantic flights too big capacity wise.

That is so true! The A333 is way to big for many SK routes. Take the OSL-EWR route. Worked with 767-300ER, but not with A333.

Quoting Agill (Reply 11):
Judging from SAS past they will most likely buy from both Airbus and Boeing. Preferably a couple of frames of each model.

Good one  Silly

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
Well they'd be a decade old in 2011, but if delivery is pushed back farther, that might better fit SK's plan

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Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 15):
Actually I didn't mean Il as replacing the MDs at SAS, rather as their third manufacturer of choice, seeing as how they have a tendency of operating 737s alongside MD-8Xs and A32Xs .

They will make their fleet even more complicated when they get the new CEO that will announce a RJ order.

Quoting Columba (Reply 18):
I think that the 787 will fit SAS needs perfectly but I doubt that they order it soon.

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Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 19):
Plenty of airlines operate both Boeings and Airbuses, in fact, SAS currently is. However, all I'm saying is that unless they're extremely unhappy with the Airbuses that they currently operate for their long-range flights, I wouldn't see why they would switch over to Boeing unless there is some incentive to do so....

They do not make money with these planes. In fact they have sold all Airbuses (the MD's as well) and leased them back for some years in order to get a reasonable amount of money for their planes.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 21):
They first started long haul service with DC8s and then went to DC10s.

In fact they started operating the DC-4 overseas way back in 1948 as OSAS for Overseas SAS. Once SAS was a pioneer in flying, while today, they are known to be a dinosaur.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6688 times:

Does SAS still operate the 763ER?

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25 CPHGuard : No, they don't. I beleive the last flight was in early 2002. They had a couple of 767's standing at CPH until late 2003, but they didn't use them. Ho
26 Centrair : AA, UA and SAS are rumors right? Skymark (The Japanese one) informed the Japanese Ministry of Transportation of the intent to purchase 4 787s. This w
27 Post contains images Asturias : Bwahahaha So true. I read the topic title and thought exactly the same! SAS considering another type for their fleet, eh?? No kidding!? So yeah, I'm
28 Behramjee : I dont see why it should it be a problem for SK to integrate the B 787s in their long haul fleet. By 2012-13, their A 330/343s would be approximately
29 Carpethead : 787 would be perfect, so that SAS can operate them out of both ARN & CPH. I am sure they could do that to all the trans-atlantic flights, Chinese & So
30 Centrair : Makes me wonder if they will try to pull an AY and hit up KIX and NGO and then a bunch of Chinese cities.
31 Robbie86 : The plan is to start serious competition with AY from ARN.
32 OyKIE : The MD-80s are good planes, and they are well maintained. Their biggest problem is noise. SAS is rumoured to get QuietEagle from PW in order to reduc
33 SK909 : No they aren't. But they don't know how to utilize them properly. They need a mix of small and big planes.
34 OyKIE : IMO SAS may have had more success if they ordered the 777-200ER and continued to use some of their 767 on routes that did not need the capacity of a
35 Robbie86 : Or if the September 11 attacks never had occured.
36 Asturias : Right. They aren't too big for SAS, but SAS doesn't know how to utilize them. OK, do you know how to utilize such planes in the SAS fleet or are you
37 MotorHussy : Well, by my estimation, they will utilise their A340 and A330 fleets until they come closer to a natural retirement age. At this stage, the A350 and 7
38 Stitch : I've been given the impression that SK's international routes, with a few exceptions (like SEA-CPH) have been...underperforming...as of late. If this
39 Robbie86 : I wouldn’t say that. The few Intercontinental routes that SK serves are still there because they are the one’s that are making the money. Why els
40 Stitch : Because CPH-PEK is one that makes money and therefore they hope ARN-PEK will, too? I don't have first-hand evidence of SK's P&L's per route. I'm just
41 EVA777SEA : How come SK never started ARN-SEA?
42 MAH4546 : Why on earth would they? The SEA-CPH flight relies on connections in the first place, and CPH is their primary hub.
43 MotorHussy : Because they're afraid of losing more passengers to AY via HEL. MH
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