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Runway Closed In ATL  
User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7768 times:

What is up with the runway closure in ATL? Anyone have any info?

Chuck

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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7720 times:

It is Runway 8R-26L which is closed for a reconstruction/rehab. It has been planned and will be closed for the next 2 months. An endaround taxiway for Runway 8R is also under construction.


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User currently offlineTWAL1011727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7673 times:

Rwy 8R-26L is closed for resurfacing.

It seems that ATC cannot handle the poop load of A/C and are putting up to 2-3 hrs of gate holds out there.
DL alone today has cancelled 23 flts due to ATC excessive delays and has had 3 divert for fuel.
At 1820L 11SEP06 the ATL Metar showed ATL with few clouds at 5000' with 8 miles visibility. So Wx is not the problem. Can you say "too many RJs."

I saw this coming just after they opened the new rwy 10/28. After they re-open 8R-26L, another runway will be closed for work. Expect delays probably thru next year. This is with good weather in ATL, just think what the delays will be like when its 1/8 mile fog and rain w/low clouds.

KD


User currently offline73g From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 128 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7656 times:

Quoting TWAL1011727 (Reply 2):
So Wx is not the problem. Can you say "too many RJs."

Not entirely true. Today (9/11), the problem was two-fold. As has been mentioned 8R-26L is closed until November. And while the METAR indicates visibility at the airport is decent, arriving aircraft were continually reporting no visual contact with other traffic. This resulted in the need to go to ILS's. With the 8R/26L construction underway, the current east operations plan is to use 9R and 10 for approaches and 8L and 9L for departures. 9R and 10 are not spaced far enough apart for simultaneous instrument approaches, thus the need for staggering. ATL could not get the arrival rate correct today which caused at least four GDP revisions...and several headaches. I fear its going to be a long two months.


User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7623 times:

Oh uggggggggg - means now i have to change all my ATL flights to either Birmingham, Huntsville or Montgomery - on a 'go home' Friday, nothing is worse than missing my 'home' connection from DTW because of ATL - ATL was fine for a few months, but apparently, no longer

User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7563 times:

This f***ing blows! I know the work needs to be done but I was really enjoying the last year since Delta debanked the flights and I almost never had a delay coming or going.


"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7528 times:

Yeah, I'm glad I'm not there. I'm sorry but ATL was a nightmare with the 5th runway. Now it's back to 4 but with two runways that can't have simultaneous arrivals. Yikes! Just about every flight for DL and FL that I looked up was delayed, quite a few diverted, and some delays were more than 2 hours. This must be awful for DL and FL's schedules, as just about everything goes through ATL at some point during the year.

Jeremy


User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7528 times:

Last flight thru ATL already booked - Sept 24th -- from there, I do RJ's to avoid the absolutely stupid idiotic wait in Atlanta

ORD, LAX, DTW, MSP are also hubs -- and from a Delta perspective, so is SLC - why are the worst waits, the most missed connections through ATL? (And, even if I make the connection about 50% of the time my luggage doesn't)

While I don't like RJ's, I prefer them into Birmingham, Montgomery, Huntsville anything other than Atlanta


User currently offlineIahflyr From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7455 times:

Quoting 73g (Reply 3):
This resulted in the need to go to ILS's. With the 8R/26L construction underway, the current east operations plan is to use 9R and 10 for approaches and 8L and 9L for departures. 9R and 10 are not spaced far enough apart for simultaneous instrument approaches, thus the need for staggering.

An excellent post and right on the money. If you don't have airplanes seeing the other guy that they need to visually aquire or the runway in the right spot then visuals are out the window. ATC in ATL is fabulous and from my tiny hole in the world DL is lucky to have those guys/gals there doing the job they do.....if there is a way to make it work they sure do.

Anytime you shut a runway down no matter how much planning goes into it there is going to be some impact to the arrival & departure capacity.



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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7397 times:

Yet another reason to choose MEM or CLT over ATL for hassle free, on-time connections.


"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7386 times:

I've been flying through ATL a lot recently. It wasn't too bad for me, as my mainline flights were all on time. My DCI flights always left about 20 minutes late, but arrived 5 minutes early (figure that one out).

I did however, on Friday go DL 301 CCS-ATL and get to land on the new runway, which was cool!



B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineDelta787 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7326 times:

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 9):
Yet another reason to choose MEM or CLT over ATL for hassle free, on-time connections.

I think I'll stick with ATL for the more convienent flight times and more flight options.



Fly Delta!
User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7321 times:

Quoting Delta787 (Reply 11):
I think I'll stick with ATL for the more convienent flight times and more flight options.

That is certainly your perogative. I just prefer getting to my destination on time, and not having 1.5 hour block times for flights that last 40 minutes.. and still not getting there on time.



"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7292 times:

Quoting Delta787 (Reply 11):
I think I'll stick with ATL for the more convienent flight times and more flight options.

Right on. Having flown through ATL 4 times in 12 days, I can say I never arrived at my destination late.



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User currently offline73G From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 128 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7207 times:

Quoting Iahflyr (Reply 8):
ATC in ATL is fabulous

Amen! Those guys and gals work minor miracles everyday. I was reminded of that today when a single TSTM cell passed over DFW. DFW with its SEVEN runways was closed to arriving traffic for close to 60 minutes. Inbounds were holding as far away as 400 miles on all arrival fixes. I counted well over 30 diversions affecting all carriers (American the most, of course). Repeat the same situation just five days ago in ATL. Single cell, same speed and intensity across the field. ATL TRACON never skipped a beat and worked traffic in right up to and right after the cell passage. There were less than 10 diversions at an extremely busy time of afternoon (DL European arrival bank). For my money, they are hands down the best TRACON crew in the country.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7059 times:

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 12):
I just prefer getting to my destination on time, and not having 1.5 hour block times for flights that last 40 minutes.. and still not getting there on time.

What good is an airport's good on-time performance when it's choice of destinations is pretty limited and most markets would involve a connection at another hub airport like ATL anyway?


User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6911 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 15):
What good is an airport's good on-time performance when it's choice of destinations is pretty limited and most markets would involve a connection at another hub airport like ATL anyway?

I can connect to pretty much anywhere I want to go via MEM or CLT.



"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6856 times:

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 16):
I can connect to pretty much anywhere I want to go via MEM or CLT.


Yeah, right up till they close a runway too!



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6856 times:

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 16):
I can connect to pretty much anywhere I want to go via MEM or CLT.

You perhaps, but not everybody has the same places to go to.


User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6787 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 17):
Yeah, right up till they close a runway too!

ATL has had well-known problems with long block times, long taxi times, and long lines for takeoff well before any runway is closed. When i fly through MEM, about half the time during normal operations my flight is #1 for departure and we have a nice rolling takeoff. I have never been more than #2 in line.

Also, the MEM-GSO block time is about 1 hour 45 minutes, for a flight that lasts about 1 hour, 25 minutes. So NW gets me there on time, and also only adds in 20 minutes of total ground and taxi times for the entire fight. ATL-GSO is a flight that lasts about 40 minutes, but the block time is 1 hr 23 minutes. So that leaves 43 minutes of ground time. Thats more time on the ground than in the air!

Sure, MEM would have problems if a runway is closed, but since MEM ops are better in normal conditions, the problems would not be as bad as ATL with a closed runway.



"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6689 times:

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 19):
I have never been more than #2 in line.

Did they have to hold the 1st departure so your flight was 2nd?  Smile

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 19):
Also, the MEM-GSO block time is about 1 hour 45 minutes, for a flight that lasts about 1 hour, 25 minutes. So NW gets me there on time, and also only adds in 20 minutes of total ground and taxi times for the entire fight. ATL-GSO is a flight that lasts about 40 minutes, but the block time is 1 hr 23 minutes. So that leaves 43 minutes of ground time. Thats more time on the ground than in the air!

Ya know quite often the block times are different for the same trip aren't they, yes they are! Quite often the size of a departure bank dictates the ground time so your 43 minutes of a particular flight could be different for the next flight to the same destination, could be less could be more. Same at MEM.....go in a large bank of departures and that 20 min taxi time could be more or could be less.



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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6651 times:

Why does it take so long just to repave a runway? When you look at how many miles a day a road contractor can pave, it shouldn't take longer than a week IMO.

User currently offlineIahflyr From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6577 times:

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 21):
Why does it take so long just to repave a runway? When you look at how many miles a day a road contractor can pave, it shouldn't take longer than a week IMO.

Roads contractors don't have to put in 19" of product nor ensure it is stressed to take 2,000,000,000,000,000+  Smile landings of aircraft that weigh lots of pounds each day! Oh, then there are the electrical issues with centerline lights, edge lights, high speed turn off lights, signage.....but then they have to tear it up on some cases first. A week huh, if you can get that all done in a week I want stock in your organization for sure.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6499 times:

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 21):
Why does it take so long just to repave a runway? When you look at how many miles a day a road contractor can pave, it shouldn't take longer than a week IMO.

I believe it is a full reconstruction. The origional plan wat to try and eliminate the "dip" in the runway, but that was deemed not practical.

The schedule is as compressed as possible since it is a 60-day schedule with work 24-hours per day.

Also keep in mind, we're talking concrete here, not asphalt.



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5869 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 20):
Ya know quite often the block times are different for the same trip aren't they, yes they are! Quite often the size of a departure bank dictates the ground time so your 43 minutes of a particular flight could be different for the next flight to the same destination, could be less could be more. Same at MEM.....go in a large bank of departures and that 20 min taxi time could be more or could be less.

NW only has three connection banks at MEM.. all flights are duing connection banks.

ATL is a rolling hub.. there are no banks... the taxi/ground times built into the block time are consistent for all ATL-GSO flights.

Your argument really does not hold water.



"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
25 Litz : Just be thankful that 5th runway is up and operational (do they have the instrument rating up and running yet?) ... Can you imagine the delays if you
26 RL757PVD : The schedule also works well with the taxiway construction. Prior to the runway closing the threshold was displaced, now the construction of the taxiw
27 IAHFLYR : How about concrete? I could actually care less what holds water but I will sure look at those banks as I have nothing else to do today.
28 Post contains images IAHFLYR : Or maybe it does hole water as I have found a few different times....MEM-GSO has a 1:42 time listed, then 1:52 time listed and then a 1:50 time liste
29 Ejmmsu : Those times are similar, and none have outragous ground/taxi times. NW has a similar amount of flights at each flight bank, so these small changes in
30 Post contains images IAHFLYR : got ya...just fly from MEM then !
31 DTWAGENT : Thank you for the information on the runway closure. chuck
32 Sv2008 : Whats the difference between asphalt and concrete (apart from the obvious)? And how would an airport like LHR cope with a runway reconstruction like t
33 DAL767400ER : Don't know too much other than that concrete is better for airports with year-round hot wheather and extremely hot temperatures during summer, like L
34 WorldTraveler : Your world is pretty limited unless you fly via Fedex. The ATL runway is a complete rebuild and hasn't been done in 40 years. They waited for the 5th
35 United319 : With ATL, if its not one thing its another. Dont get me wrong, I love ATL, its a wonderful airport. But my days here in MSY have been lengthened thank
36 IAHFLYR : MMMMM, priority, I don't think "priority" would be something that someone would get over another unless an emergency or lifeguard situation existed,
37 Post contains images KATL757 :
38 Post contains links KATL757 : Here is the article from the AJC.com regarding the closing of the runway. Text of article for non-subscribed readers of the online paper: Repairs to o
39 DeltaDAWG : This really is starting get on my nerves. Left ATL on 9/11 headed to ATW and waited on the ground for 1-1/2 hours before takeoff and coming back thru
40 United319 : Yes they are in the same 15 minute time window. And the flying times are the same, they inflight times can change within a ten minute window at times
41 HT : some BOLD thinking: Seeing the impacts (= delays) that the work to the runways bring, why do not do it the way FRA did ? They managed to resurface a r
42 RL757PVD : That can work for a regular rehab and that is how most major airports in the US do their rehabs, this one is more of a reconstruction so as you say i
43 Smcmac32msn : I flew through ATL late morning/early afternoon on 9/11 and experienced no MAJOR delays on my flights. We landed on arrival to ATL 15 minutes early, t
44 Srbmod : They did the same exact thing in the fall of 1999 when they rehabbed 9L/27R. Thankfully for them, the fall wasn't too rainy (only one small stretch o
45 73g : I witnessed the construction and delays first-hand today (9/14) flying from ATL to BMI and TRS560. We departed the gate on time and made it as far as
46 9V-SPJ : I landed in ATL yesterday (13th Sep) with a 2hr delay, from IAD due to low ceilings at ATL. We had a really long downwind leg, must have been close to
47 WorldTraveler : ATL weather cleared up nicely this afternoon and the airport ran like clockwork...except for the airplanes that had been delayed earlier today. hopefu
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