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KLM B772 At Niamey, Niger Today  
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5794 times:

An unusual sight later tonight at Niamey, Niger, without any doubt as KL590, which normally operates nonstop between Accra, Ghana and Amsterdam will make a scheduled stop at NIM. KL590 is operated with a B772ER and will follow the following schedule later tonight:

ACC 2140
NIM 0010
NIM 0050
AMS 0655+1

Air France is also operating its regular flight AF731 OUA-NIM-CDG tonight with A343, just around the same time.

26 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5784 times:

40 minutes look like a short turnaround at NIM. Why is KL590 now doing this stop in Niger?

User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4267 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5574 times:

Is this for taking additional fuel?!


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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4676 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5527 times:

CNN does not have any news from that region, so I think it isn't to evacuate people.


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User currently offlineLouA340 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5464 times:

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 2):
Is this for taking additional fuel?!

I dont think that would be the case as usually if flights to Accra have to make a fuel stop they usually rather stop in Lagos or Abuja and vice versa.



RyEng
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5442 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
Why is KL590 now doing this stop in Niger?

DGAA has NOTAM-ed a fuel shortage as of last night.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5413 times:

Quoting LouA340 (Reply 4):
if flights to Accra have to make a fuel stop they usually rather stop in Lagos or Abuja and vice versa

Nigeria is under fuel restrictions as well recently, which causes a rather sticky situation for people trying to get out of either country this week. The usual 3rd string options of Lome/Abidjan/Ouaga are also short on fuel meaning that its either Niamey or Bamako as the sure bets for most carriers heading north.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5344 times:

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 5):
DGAA has NOTAM-ed a fuel shortage as of last night.

Thanks for the response, Sean. How long might this last?


User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5174 times:

BA flew direct yesterday


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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5122 times:
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It might happen.

Some african airports face fuel shortage, from time to time.
I remember having the same problem last year while in EBB. We had to stop en-route for re-fueling.

Now I'm surpised Niger is the subsitute as it is one of the poorest country on earth. Oil restrictions in Nigeria ?? Is that a joke ?


FB.



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5081 times:

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 9):
Oil restrictions in Nigeria ?? Is that a joke ?

No. There is a shortage of Jet A-1 due to refinery shutdowns and a looming strike by workers.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Thread starter):
KL590 is operated with a B772ER and will follow the following schedule later tonight:

ACC 2140
NIM 0010
NIM 0050
AMS 0655+1

Very interesting information. NIM is short of flights and KL regular service to this country would be welcome. I hope KL includes NIM in its network.

Any info whether NIN is just a technical stop or it also intends for pax transport?

I also hope AF increases its flights to BGF in the Central African Republic. There is a single flight to Europe...

Rgs,


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5038 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 7):
How long might this last?

The NOTAM says through to the 25th, but so far there has been minimal disruption. The conventional wisdom is that the NOTAM is simply precautionary to prevent Nigerian diversions dropping in to top up (as was the plan for VS, VK, BA, SA, etc...).


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3909 times:

Same pattern tonight, only now also the Nigeria operation seems to be affected. KL588 LOS AMS will make a technical stop in Lome (LFW) whereas KL590 ACC AMS will make a stop for taking fuel in Niamey (NIM) as it did yesterday.

KL588 LOS LFW 21.40 21.30
KL588 LFW AMS 22.30 07.00+1

KL590 ACC NIM 21.10 23.50
KL590 NIM AMS 00.50 07.00

KLM's Kano and Abuja operation seems not to be affected by the fuel shortages.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3891 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 13):
KL588 LOS AMS will make a technical stop in Lome (LFW) whereas KL590 ACC AMS will make a stop for taking fuel in Niamey (NIM) as it did yesterday.

That is strange. Would make far more sense to use NIM for the LOS pitstop and LFW for the ACC pitstop. Unless they anticipate LOS inbound having insufficient quantity left in tank to even make NIM.

KLM is actually the only carrier ex-ACC who did a pitstop last night - everyone else managed to tanker/topup enough to go through nonstop.


User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3772 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 3):
CNN does not have any news from that region, so I think it isn't to evacuate people.

The last time CNN mentioned anything about Niger, it had to do with those "weapons" Iraq supposedly had. Remember the purchases that country had made?

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 6):

Nigeria is under fuel restrictions as well recently, which causes a rather sticky situation for people trying to get out of either country this week. The usual 3rd string options of Lome/Abidjan/Ouaga are also short on fuel meaning that its either Niamey or Bamako as the sure bets for most carriers heading north.

Nigeria? Wow. I thought it was in the top 5-10 oil producing countries. Is Arnold's Hummer taking up all the fuel?


User currently offlineLouA340 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3755 times:

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 14):
KLM is actually the only carrier ex-ACC who did a pitstop last night - everyone else managed to tanker/topup enough to go through nonstop.

Does anyone know why its only KLM's services that are being affected?



RyEng
User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3667 times:

Both KL588/LOS and KL590/ACC are affected by these fuel shortages. Stops in Niamey and Lome for these flights today.


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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3601 times:

Quoting LouA340 (Reply 16):
Does anyone know why its only KLM's services that are being affected?

I can hazard a guess - it may be because the KLM Ghana manager is currently out of town and hence they are playing it safe and scheduling the tech stop - while the others are playing it by ear and deciding on a night by night basis.


User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3511 times:

B3 was cancelled today LOS-ACC-LOS for fuel shortage and left 100s of passengers started.
EK rerouted its DXB-ACC-ABJ-ACC-DXB to DXB-ABJ-ACC-ABJ-DXB

[Edited 2006-09-14 22:21:21]


Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

Last night, KLM routed botk KL588/LOS and KL590/ACC through NIM. There had been problems at LFW in the past couple of nights and the LOS flight which was stopping over there a couple of times had been hit by excessive delays.

On a side note, KL571/JRO DAR, made an unscheduled stop at Rome FCO this morning, where the aircraft is currently on the ground.


User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3324 times:

the fuel shortage is over in acc now, AZ was diverted to NIM few days ago because of a cocaine incident on the flight


Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3301 times:

Although Nigeria is one of the world's largest oil producers it actually imports most of its diesel and Jet-A from my past memory.

User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3146 times:

Diversions are still taking place on flight from ACC/LOS
acc-lhr (ba) is going via COO



Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3139 times:

Quoting Soups (Reply 8):
BA flew direct yesterday

BA placed cargo embargos on the flights into and out Nigeria, thats why they could fly directly on the routes wihtout refulling in Nigeria.

regards



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25 LouA340 : How long are these shortages expected to continue until?
26 Soups : some of BA flights to LOS are cancelled also heard that VK was delayed for 12 hours
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