Gyro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2120 times:
I'm pretty sure that Mexicana won't go for the 777 for two reasons. 1. They're changing their 727's for A320's 2. They don't need a 777... right now, they don't have any long haul flights and I don't think they will for a while to come. Aeromexico, hmmmm, I don't know. Do they have money to change their DC10's? I heard it's going pretty bad for them because of Mexicana (de Aviacion).
Jmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3165 posts, RR: 17 Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2110 times:
I have not heard anything from either carrier. But you would think that Mexicana especially should be in the market for a widebody (possibly A330 or A340) to replace its DC-10s it retired years ago. It's largest now is the 757. I would think that Aeromexico would be more likely to buy the 777, because its loyalty to Boeing and MD -type aircraft. But at this point, it's all speculation.
Jmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3165 posts, RR: 17 Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2094 times:
I agree with you on the apparent tendency for Mexicana to favor Airbus products, but just an FYI, Aeromexico hasn't flown DC-10s for quite a long time now...it flies B767-200ER and -300ER to Madrid and Paris.
Latinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2636 posts, RR: 15 Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2044 times:
Both carriers have not operated DC-10's for 5 years now. Quite some time ago. Although such a type would benefit Mexicana for their Mexico-Cancun-Buenos Aires service currently flown by a 757. However, I really think that even though they want to return to widebodies they don't want to operate another type of
aircraft just for one route.
It is currently believed that the 727s A320s and F-100 will be replaced by 737NG not more A320's.
AeroMexico would be more keen to operate such a type if their load factors to Europe continue to grow, but at this time the 5 767's are profitable enough to fly daily to Paris and Madrid.
Both AeroMexico and Mexicana are not doing bad at all. As a matter of fact they are the two most profitable air carriers in Latin America. However, this was not the case 6 years ago when AeroMexico purchased Mexicana. Both carriers almost went bankrupt. I think you're refering to this time.
Aerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2441 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1898 times:
If Mexicana ever needed a 300 seater, wouldn't they go for the 777 because of fleet commonality with United, as a part of the Star Alliance? Surely United would have more bargaining power with Boeing and could thus get Mexicana a good deal. Not to mention maintenance and crew training support. I thought the alliances were planning on making joint purchases to increase their buying power, althought that may be some years off.
CV990A From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1391 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1839 times:
Its wishful thinking, but does AeroMexico need the 777? I thought they were struggling on their European routes, and didn't need the extra capacity. They're a great airline, but I just don't think the 777 is needed at AeroMexico right now.
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7709 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1812 times:
I think Aeromexico have to buy some sort of widebody plane in the long run.
This is why I think they may buy the 767-400 Longer-Range for flights from Mexico City to LAX, SFO, MIA, and JFK, and may get the 777-200ER for flights to Europe. It'll be interesting to see if the 767-400LR and 777-200ER are capable of the "hot and high" operations out of Mexico City without undue restrictions on payload.
SR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 760 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1774 times:
Well, the European routes are doing pretty well, if I am not mistaken I think they are flying daily 767 services to both Madrid and Paris nonstop from Mexico. They were in troubled waters back in 94 when the big crisis hit but now that the economy is doing pretty well the routes are doing well again.
I heard a rumor that AMX was indeed considering the 777 for it's european routes but I dunno for sure, but I think it would suit them very well for routes like MEX-CDG, with the new SkyTeam alliance there is sure to be an increase in traffic between Mexico and Paris, passenger and freight, I was in MEX last week and we taxied past the AF 747-400 loading up for it's flight to CDG and I couldn't help but notice the huge ammount of cargo being loaded, in addition I have also seen AF 747 freighters at MEX so I assume there is considerable money being made by flying both passengers and cargo between Mexico and Paris.
Sn330 From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 16 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1770 times:
Aeromexico will probably if they order more aircraft, will order more 767's. They already operate them in their fleet, and their partner Delta has one of the world's largest 767 fleets in the world. I don't think there is market demand for a 777 for either Mexicana or Aeromexico
Republic From Canada, joined Dec 2012, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1733 times:
I came across an interesting fact in Flight International's story on cargo about two weeks ago. A 777 can carry 30% more cargo in its belly than a 744 can. As SR117 stated, there seems to be an awful lot of cargo on the MEX-CDG run. Not to say that AeroMexico would add the 777, but if it did this could be a contributing reason.
JAVOMD88 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1680 times:
As a AEROMEXICO employee, we have heard a lot of stuff coming our way, first the company waits the decision of Cintra(holding company) then the decision on towards the B737-600 or the B717-200's because of December all DC9 start to go; and in January 2 B757 and a couple of B767 for next year. this was all told to us at our monthy employee meeting with the CEO, stating the posibility of a new route to Europe.
So who nows, maybe a B777 in the near future!
Aio86 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 928 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1666 times:
I doubt that AeroMexico or Mexicana would want to go for a 777. I think that Mexicana might be interested in a 767-200 for routes to Buenos Aires and to LAX. They have like 10 flights a day (or more) from LAX to Guadalajara and Mexico City. It might be better for them to fly the smaller aircraft on those routes. Aeromexico I don't think would want a plane that big for their flights. Honestly there aren't that many Mexicans who can afford to go to Europe and esspecially not every day. It is more the Europeans comming to Mexico. Usually the Europeans are loyal to their native airlines ie: BA, LH, IB, KL, AF etc. Anyways that's just my 2 cents.
SR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 760 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1654 times:
How do you know that Mexicans can't afford to go to europe?? There is poverty in the country but it is also a very large middle and upper class, trust me, many middle class hard working mexicans can afford to go to europe on vacation, I can assure you that probably most of the passengers on the AMX flights to Paris or Madrid are mexicans since there is a strong loyalty to AM by mexicans (for good reason), and that's only leisure travelers, mexican businesspeople also fill up those flights.
JAVOMD88 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1639 times:
As ricardo said to Aoi86, i invite you to try to take a flight tp Paris or Madrid on Aeromexico, you will probably
end up taking someother airline(obviosly with a stop over)because leaving MEX or coming back the flight is always full. Actually both flights are to be considering a 2 daily flight because of this, and there is a 3rd new route to start 2001 pending government approval.
And to say the least, you are criticizing Mexicans, why dont you take a look at your own back yard! NOt to mention Aerolineas Arg. that is currently in desperate need of income. So i would be more careful if i were you!