Bucks918 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 68 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 33868 times:
I was looking through a family members Life or Time magazine book about the 911 attacks, and it had a picture of the first plane about to hit the north tower in it. It was taken from south of the buildings, and all you could see was the wing as it was banking to hit the first tower. It definately was the first tower, as there was no smoke, fire or crash yet. Has anyone else seen this?
Litz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1745 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 33250 times:
Quoting Eirjet (Reply 1): I have seen amateur video footage that the media broadcast showing the first a/c hit - The whole event was and still is an extremely sobering event.
That actually wasn't amateur video ... that was a professional film crew filming a documentary on the fire department (they were following a new firefighter through his first months of training, then his probationary period on the job).
Through sheer circumstance, they had gone out with a crew from the firehouse they were filming in on a gas leak call.
While filming the process of checking for the gas leak they (and everyone else around them) heard the loud-as-hell jet engine sound and he pivoted up, and captured the 767 just as it impact the tower.
You can see the whole thing as it happened if you watch CBS' 9-11 documentary, which is a truly rivetting piece of video. Following that, the videographer followed his fire chief to the tower, and was actually filming from inside Tower 1 during the rescue operations, the impact of the 2nd plane on Tower 2, and then the collapse of Tower 2 ... and then their escape from Tower 1 prior to its collapse.
It's really, really (as you can well imagine) quite intense.
Aeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 595 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 33094 times:
You can watch that CBS special on their website by the way..
777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11318 posts, RR: 17 Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 33024 times:
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Quoting Litz (Reply 3): they were following a new firefighter through his first months of training, then his probationary period on the job
Hope that Fire fighter wasn't killed. I think that film of the first aircraft hitting the tower will go down in history as one of the best shots and will be used in History lessons etc
Pilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2498 posts, RR: 50 Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 33011 times:
Quoting Litz (Reply 3): While filming the process of checking for the gas leak they (and everyone else around them) heard the loud-as-hell jet engine sound and he pivoted up, and captured the 767 just as it impact the tower.
you mean the first plane, the AA 757 not 767
The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
Khobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32949 times:
Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 6): you mean the first plane, the AA 757 not 767
No 757's were involved in the Twin Towers. Both were 767's. The AA 757 hit the Pentagon, while the United 757 crashed in PA.
Dogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32903 times:
There was a picture somewhere that was taken by a tourist, he/she was photographing their friend at the edge of the WTC and all you could see was the AA B752 coming in behinf them.
VarigB707 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1220 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32903 times:
Je89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2327 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32871 times:
HAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2467 posts, RR: 53 Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32815 times:
Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 8): There was a picture somewhere that was taken by a tourist, he/she was photographing their friend at the edge of the WTC and all you could see was the AA B752 coming in behinf them.
That picture was a fake. After it came out and made the rounds on the internet, there was a thread here on A.net, and it showed the original picture of the AA767 that was photoshop'ed into the tourist pic.
HAL
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777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11318 posts, RR: 17 Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32625 times:
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Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 6): Quoting Litz (Reply 3):
While filming the process of checking for the gas leak they (and everyone else around them) heard the loud-as-hell jet engine sound and he pivoted up, and captured the 767 just as it impact the tower.
you mean the first plane, the AA 757 not 767
AA11 was a B763 that hit the first tower, AA175 (B752) hit the pentagon
BALAX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32589 times:
Quoting 777ER (Reply 12): AA11 was a B763 that hit the first tower, AA175 (B752) hit the pentagon
SJC4Me From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 366 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32454 times:
Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 8): There was a picture somewhere that was taken by a tourist, he/she was photographing their friend at the edge of the WTC and all you could see was the AA B752 coming in behinf them.
Made me feel pretty funny after it...
Thanks
Mike
Ever stop to wonder how the camera with that picture would have survived the tower collapse, been found, and was in good enough condition to upload to the internet?
Pilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2498 posts, RR: 50 Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32393 times:
i watched the footage, it seems like a 757 hitting the tower first, not a 767....does anyone have a clear pic of the first plane from the fireman's footage?
The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
Gunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3462 posts, RR: 11 Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32284 times:
Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 15): i watched the footage, it seems like a 757 hitting the tower first, not a 767....does anyone have a clear pic of the first plane from the fireman's footage?
It's a 767. I've never seen a still from the footage, but it's pretty clear if you watch the video.
Wow...it really conveys the emotions of those poor people, standing in their apartment watching world events literally unfold in front of their very eyes. Very moving. Thank you.
STLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8979 posts, RR: 27 Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 32144 times:
Quoting 777ER (Reply 5): Hope that Fire fighter wasn't killed. I think that film of the first aircraft hitting the tower will go down in history as one of the best shots and will be used in History lessons etc
from what i recall that entire unit perished that day.
Eternal darkness we all should dread. It's hard to party when you're dead.
Itsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2765 posts, RR: 11 Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 31899 times:
Quoting 777ER (Reply 5): Hope that Fire fighter wasn't killed.
No, the Probationary Firefighter, Tony Benatatos was not killed. He was missing for several hours but he eventually returned to the fire house.
Jbguller From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 163 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 31571 times:
Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 21):
No, the Probationary Firefighter, Tony Benatatos was not killed. He was missing for several hours but he eventually returned to the fire house.
I remember watching that film here in Australia - I think they played it on the 1st anniversary of the strike, not sure though.
It certainly is a very high-quality documentary, and very interesting to see how a plain docco about firefighters can turn into one of the most authentic pieces of footage about that day. The sounds of bodies and debris hitting the glass outside while the brigade are inside tower 1 is still as vivid as yesterday.
There was a documentary on here in Australia not too long ago about the picture a journalist took of The Falling Man, seen here. I missed it myself, but it really did capture the feelings and circumstances of the moment. Did anyone see it? What did I miss?
STLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8979 posts, RR: 27 Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 31477 times:
Quoting Fdex727 (Reply 20): Actually everyone made it, rookie and all!
glad to hear it!
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DTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1415 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 31417 times:
Quoting 777ER (Reply 12): AA11 was a B763 that hit the first tower, AA175 (B752) hit the pentagon
No,
AA11 was a 767-200 which hit the North Tower of the WTC
UA175 was a 767-200 which hit the South Tower of the WTC
AA77 was a 757-200 which struck the Pentagon
UA93 was a 757-200 which went down in Shanksville, PA
25 Chuchoteur: Film was by Jules & Gedeon Naudet, both french film makers
26 Itsjustme: I didn't see the documentary you speak of but I do remember the first few times that picture was published and the uproar it caused. And, rightly so,
27 BaylorAirBear: He's not even recognizable, but, yes, I agree...sorta. I think there is a place for photographs like this, but not on the front page. Also, let us be
28 EMBQA: If you get the chance watch this Documentary....!!! It was very well done and very chilling. I enjoyed it because the first half talks about this you
29 BamMargera: From what i know the first plane hit from the north side and the second one hit from the south side : http://www.libertynews.org/wtc/116060.html I hav
30 L1011Lover: AND Flight Attendant Betty Ong called American Airlines telling them that she was in the rear of the cabin in her jumpseat at door 3R! There is no ju
31 F22KA: If one watches that footage sober, will definitely see an AA plane smashing into the first tower. Now, if one decides to sniff some glue and drink som
33 United787: Also, this guy has a winter coat on, September 11, 2001 in NYC would have been fairly warm.
34 GeorgiaAME: Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority here in the States already has
35 Archer: In Airways Magazine, December 2001, you can see on page 20 and 21 all four airliners. AA 11 767-200 N334AA; UA 175 - 767-200 N612UA; AA 77 - 757 N644A
36 PanAm747: I remember the picture you are speaking of. There was a Time-Life coffee-table book published about a year after the horrible date. "Never-before-seen
37 Asturias: I don't agree. While I have great sympathy for the people who lost their loved ones in that attack, the world was not under attack. Terrorism by Al-Q
38 Dogfighter2111: Heya, thanks for that. I really wasn't sure if it was fake or not, it to me did look genuine. Ohh well... I suppose most fakes are Actually no, the r
39 Bucks918: PanAM747, thank you, that is the one im talking about. I haven't been able to find that anywhere.
40 Checksixx: What a very un-informed comment! People from MANY nations were in the towers that day. Get over it you say?? If someone killed your family what would
41 Asturias: Uninformed you say? Do you think there were only UK citizens in the Underground when the bombs went off? Do you think there were only Spanish citizen
42 Socalfive: Touche, you're exactly right and by the way, Terrorism has existed since the dawn of time and will always exist as fundamentalist attacks on opposing
43 Litz: They thought about helicopter rescues, but the amount of equipment on the roofs, as well as the huge smoke plumes made it impossible. I would also im
44 EmSeeEye: Whats your point? She also said initially she was on Flight 12. Then corrected herself and mentioned flight 11. I'm sure she was scared and the last
45 CWAFlyer: Yeah, let's just move on and pretend it didn't happen. Let's not do anything to honor those that died or do anything to try to prevent this from happ
46 Gr8Circle: Obviously a hoax....I believe the WTC observation deck was not even open to visitors at that time in the morning.... That aside, it was a very insens
47 Litz: Whats your point? She also said initially she was on Flight 12. Then corrected herself and mentioned flight 11. I'm sure she was scared and the last
48 Quetzalcoatl: On the line of the fake photograph. The AA plane hit on the tower that has NO access to the public, so it is unlikely, if not impossible for someone t
49 EasternSon: I live close to NYC, and visit quite regularly. I grew up identifying the city by its skyline, in particular the World Trade Center and its two large
50 Socalfive: ALL WE HAVE DONE IS HONOR those people, rightfully so, but enough is enough already, we ARE doing things to keep it from happening again, or haven't
52 Rampart: Yes, and one last thing. The shadows on the man pictured are from about local noon or perhaps 11:00, noting that Manhattan is a NE-SW trending island
53 IRelayer: I just have to say that I am VERY surprised at the amount of misinformation about 9/11 that still lingers 5 years afterwards. I thought this BS about
54 PanAm747: And one further point about the hoax picture... The person on top of the WTC observation deck would have been the SOUTH tower. The NORTH tower was the
56 SeeTheWorld: I have to agree. Almost every detail of that day is etched in my brain, but I certainly understand that many people deal with events like this differ
57 AR385: It's a bad taste fake that has spawned a dumb Urban Legend It is a 762 it was an attack on the world. For conceptual reasons and for concrete ones. C
58 Thorny: I think someone else pointed out that the WTC Observation Deck hadn't opened yet that morning when the first plane struck.
59 Aloha717200: AR385 has just been added to my respected users list. Thank you for that very insightful post.
60 FlyDeltaJets87: I think you'll see the conspiracy theory stuff start to die down on January 20th, 2009. Of course, there will always be those who believe we didn't w
61 Coa747: I will never forget that day for many reasons. But the conspiracy theories are just crazy. They don't stand the test of logic or truth. I have heard t
63 AR385: Thankyou very much. It is always a pleasure when someone finds my posts interesting.
64 CWAFlyer: The European comment was for Asturias who is from Spain (or lives in Spain). I guess I need to be as well read as you and just get over it.
65 EMBQA: It was a American Boeing 767 that hit the first tower...!!! NOT a 757...!!!!!!! The second plane was a United Boeing 767 that hit the second tower...
66 Khobar: They've lived with it so long they've accepted it as a way of life hoping it will just go away. Sometimes, as in Northern Ireland, they capitulate, b
67 DTW757: This guy never said it was a 757. If you go back up and look at the original post it says this. He was merely agreeing with 777ER and adding that Bet
68 Aloha717200: I just watched the CBS special...riveting...and the first time I'd seen any footage from inside the towers...ever. Its just...astounding...what was g
69 EGTESkyGod: " target=_blank>http://www.revver.com/view.php?id=59686 I can't get this to work, but I really want to see it. Can anyone help?
70 RIHNOSAUR: I know you can watch it, but....how do you download it???? I mean for later view (as an accessible file on your hard drive)....or did you just meant
71 757ANP: I was compelled to join Airliners.net and weigh in on this topic which seems to be under control now regarding the airframe type. Both aircraft that h
72 RC135U: I'm a bit surprised that someone from Spain would take this view, especially with the history of your countrymen never giving up on repelling the Moo
73 KSYR: If 3,000 people had been killed in London on July 7 or in Madrid on March 11, do you think the people of those cities would be over it by now? If all
75 AR385: They were very significant in the context in which they took place. In terms of casualties and financial consequences, no they were not as significan
76 RIHNOSAUR: I was trying to stay out of this..but I am sorry....with all due respect to you...Europe has gone through a hell of a lot more than the US...so I get
77 NASCARAirforce: What freaks you out? The Conspiracy theories, or that you cannot see any 757 remains in or around the Pentagon? and that the Pentagon has cameras all
78 Ptharris: So, are there any pics available of the planes before 9/11? That is, I don't know the registrations so I'd look them up.. but I'm sure they've been ph
79 KSYR: I fully understand what you are saying, and I agree with you. No one here is trying to compare 9/11 with Dresden or Hiroshima or Normandy. When I sai
80 NASCARAirforce: There are pictures of all four planes on here. I don't know the registrations right off the bat either, but I have seen photos of all four here where
82 Supa7E7: 9/11 was terrible. Since then, 2,500 US soldiers are dead in Iraq. Plus loads of Iraqis. 9/11 is imagery that will last forever. But human tragedy has
83 RIHNOSAUR: cool!!! sorry if i diverted too much in my post or if it went over the top, and thanks for responding! cheers!
84 EMBQA: American Airlines B767 - N334AA United Airlines B767 - N612UA American Airlines B757 - N644AA United Airlines B757 - N591UA
85 Fbgdavidson: Oh dear we are slipping into conspiracy theory territory again here.... No pictures have been taken of a UA 757 wearing the registration of the UA93 a
86 Asturias: I would be surprised as well, as that is not the case. Far from it. You and many other posters here are confused. Perhaps it is my English, but I hav
87 FlyDeltaJets87: Actually, I think you have it wrong. I searched the database and have used the fact that there are no photos of N591UA past 9/11/01 as evidence that
88 RIHNOSAUR: Excelente!!! thank you so much, I totally see where you are coming from and couldn't,t agree with you more!!!! I wish this kind of thought would be mo
89 NASCARAirforce: The movie Loose Change actually shows N593UA, so someone sent them the wrong plane. I myself had misread N592UA when I did a search for N591UA. The c
90 RC135U: Asturias Thanks for a very enlightening explanation of your views, as well as a pretty interesting Spanish history lesson with your personal insight.
91 Coa747: If an American 757 didn't hit the Pentagon how do you explain the hundreds of eyewitnesses on the freeway next to the Pentagon that saw the plane fly
92 FlyDeltaJets87: And this ultimately proves how retarded (and desperate) they are. A simple search in the database of photos shows that N593UA was in service back in
93 NASCARAirforce: Couldn't be said better. I did not turn the TV on at all this past Monday. No matter what was on, it was about 9-11. I thought that maybe I could get
94 NASCARAirforce: Ok, I am playing Devil's advocate for the most part - so don't link me as a whackjob - HOWEVER, I also am saying it how I see it. I don't need Loose C
95 Asturias: Thank you very much, good people. It is reassuring to see that we're not giving up and that we do understand each other, even though seperated by vast
97 Aloha717200: Okay, then, where are the passengers of American Flight 77?
98 NASCARAirforce: Ok, let me get this straight. I am not saying this is some sort of Mass Government Conspiracy. I am just saying I see no evidence of a plane in the P
99 Aloha717200: I think all three sound ridiculous. You know, I just don't understand why what we all saw on 9/11 just isnt good enough for some people...there ALWAY
100 WJ: Wait a minute... Johnson didn't kill kennedy? So 200 people landed in Cleveland and dissapeared into thin air? No one has shown up on Oprah? Jay Leno
101 Aloha717200: Here is my little gift to the conspiracy theorists of the world: I present to you, Penn and Teller on Conspiracy Theorists: http://video.google.com/vi
102 EMBQA: So even though minutes after the accident their are pieces of aircraft wreckage on the front lawn.....and pieces of American Airlines wreckage......
103 KSYR: Nascar, Barbara Olson called her husband from the plane that hit the Pentagon.
105 Jush: Correct. And the world didn't change that day. It was just a horrible act of terrorism, which has never been seen before. But attacks happens and hav
106 CWAFlyer: Thank you. Welcome to my respected users list.
107 SeeTheWorld: I know people personally who saw AA77 hit the pentagon. I think people who are skeptical about the pentagon crash because of the lack of physical evi
108 SeeTheWorld: There, in fact, were some calls from AA77. Barbara Olson, who was a well-known lawyer and contributor on CNN, apparently phoned her husband from the
109 NASCARAirforce: I am not saying that I am NOT buying the official story, but rather I question it. Again don't link me with the conspiracy theorists who are saying t
110 SeeTheWorld: Let's face it folks, the government is not organized enough or competent enought to engage in a conspiracy of this magnitude.
111 LMP737: Bravo! My favorite line, the government could not even cover up a break in to a cheesy hotel. So there you have it folks. If the governemnt could not
112 Thegooddoctor: Some people can't give it a rest...
113 NASCARAirforce: I apologize for my above statement - it made it sound like there was no plane was factual, and not just my opinion. I wrote it late last night, so ag
114 NASCARAirforce: I agree - Bush would have flubbed it by now in one of his speeches
115 SeeTheWorld: I'm sorry, but this doesn't make any sense. First of all, the Helios 737 was probably almost out of fuel, and there was very little to burn on the si
116 Aloha717200: No offense to NASCAR here...but.... He's gonna believe what he wants to believe, folks. We are now going in circles. Any conspiracy theorist you deal
117 AirFrnt: NASCAR, please go grab a copy of the Popular Mechanics debunking of Loose Change and the other conspiracy theorists. They do a great job showing how
118 Philhyde: Frankly, all that video explains is that Penn and Teller are great entertainers (and picked some real winners to insult).
119 Antoniemey: Because there WAS a conspiracy. It was on the part of the terrorists. But some people are just so unwilling to believe ANYTHING said by a government
120 FlyDeltaJets87: I've watched the first two of the Loose Change Videos. (I think there's a 3rd, but not 100% sure on that). When I watched the first one, I was just a
121 FlyDeltaJets87: In NASCAR's defense, he does appear to have an open mind on the issue. He looks at both sides of the argument, seems smart enough to filter out the B
122 NASCARAirforce: I wasn't to the Pentagon in person, I haven't been to D.C. area since 1992. I saw many pictures and film whether on TV or online. Of course, I could
123 KSYR: The Pentagon Conspiracy theory dies with the photos of the light poles that were clipped by the wings of the 757-200 before it hit the Pentagon. I hav
124 LMP737: This should tell you that these so called serious researchers in reality don't know what they are talking about. If they can't get little details abo
125 Dan2002: Here you go: http://911myths.com/html/pentagon.html http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
126 Redngold: It wasn't just the smoke and flames; it was the violent updrafts caused by the fire. You can see quite clearly from any picture that the fires create
127 FlyDeltaJets87: Here are some photos from the site where the C-5 crashed at Dover AFB a few months ago. Notice the lack of damage to the ground, and keep in mind tha
128 EGTESkyGod: Just watched the Penn and Teller doc, LMAO!!! Brilliant! A big "fuck you" to any conspiracy theorists. What the hell has the beret guy been smoking an
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