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World To Operate 2 MD11 For LH Cargo  
User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7078 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4110 times:

WORLD AIRWAYS TO OPERATE TWO MD-11 FREIGHTERS FOR LUFTHANSA CARGO BEGINNING WITH WINTER SCHEDULE 2006

FRANKFURT, Germany (Sept. 12, 2006) -- Lufthansa Cargo and World Airways have signed a one-year contract to operate two MD-11 freighters between Europe and the United States. Service will start with the winter schedule 2006, effective at the end of October.
“World Airways has had a relationship with Lufthansa Cargo for more than 20 years and we are very pleased to be working with them again,” said Rob Binns, chief marketing officer of World Air Holdings, Inc. “Lufthansa Cargo is a leading international carrier with an impeccable reputation – and World Airways is proud to be one of Lufthansa Cargo´s partners in providing excellent service for their customers.”
Bernhard Kindelbacher, senior vice president, Product and Network Development of Lufthansa Cargo, added, “We have chosen World Airways, as they have proven to be a very professional and reliable cargo carrier. We are very much looking forward to a close and trustful cooperation for the benefit of our worldwide customers.”

Lufthansa Cargo operates 19 MD-11 freighters and currently has additional charter agreements for two MD-11 freighters and two Boeing 747 freighters.

http://www.worldairways.com/news/20060912.html



What I don´t understand is will World getting 2 MD 11s from LH or will World fly for LH Cargo ?
A German aviation site reports that World will get two MD 11s from LH but if I read the article above it seemsto me that World will fly for LH.

[Edited 2006-09-13 12:31:54]


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User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 679 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4032 times:

They will be 2 World MD-11F's operated by World crews as part of an ACMI contract.

Rgds,
Ed



Ed
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3976 times:

Looks like LCAG is short on aircraft, or else they would not operate all those ACMIs.

User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3972 times:

Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
What I don´t understand is will World getting 2 MD 11s from LH or will World fly for LH Cargo ?
A German aviation site reports that World will get two MD 11s from LH but if I read the article above it seemsto me that World will fly for LH.

World will operate 2 MD-11F's for LH. One of them will be the aircraft currently being converted to a freighter.


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5265 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3809 times:

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 3):
One of them will be the aircraft currently being converted to a freighter.

Is the other one coming off of EVA Air or Air Canada? There are 5 -Fs now, not counting the one that will be converted. The Air Canada contract for 2 aircraft was to run through August 2007, and the EVA contract for 3 aircraft was supposed to run through at least March 2007.

Hmmmm....

Also, I'm wondering what ever happened to the 2 DC10s that were doing Menlo. At least one still seems to be counted in the "active" fleet as of the last 10Q. I thought that I read somewhere that one might be going to do some cargo work for Air France, but there hasn't been a press release about it.


User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

The DC10's have done some flying for AF- but good question about where the second MD-11F is coming from. N279WA will be one, who knows what the other will be.


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User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3716 times:

Quoting FI642 (Reply 5):
where the second MD-11F is coming from. N279WA will be one, who knows what the other will be.

I heard 275...

But I'm curious as to how that will work out.


User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3699 times:

...will replace the 2 M1F's currently leased from Gemini Air!
I would assume.

[Edited 2006-09-14 16:11:00]


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User currently offlineINTENSS From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 6):

I heard 275...

But I'm curious as to how that will work out.

That would be correct...


User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3670 times:

LH Cargo has had an ACMI deal for 2 years with Gemini, they aren't satisfied with the mechanical reliability of Gemini so now they are giving World Airways a go. One of the services that World will fly is BRU-JFK-BRU 5 times a week and CGN-EMA-JFK-EMA-CGN 5 times a week


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User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1884 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

Quoting FI642 (Reply 5):
N279WA will be one, who knows what the other will be.

N279WA has at the moment a Pax interrior... but she would be converted to a freighter.


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5265 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 10):
N279WA has at the moment a Pax interrior... but she would be converted to a freighter.

I had understood that she was in for conversion already. If she isn't, I don't see how she's going to be ready to begin freighter service at the end of October.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

I was wondering one thing, given that WO does lots of charters for the AMC and for civilian airlines (PAX and cargo): wouldn't it perhaps be convenient to convert the full PAX MD-11s they have into -CFs (Convertible Freighters)? MP has about 4 -CFs, which allows them full flexibility, although now they'll fly as freighters only. So why doesn't WO have their aircraft converted to -CFs, so they can switch for PAX to cargo in a short time, should they have any shortages in aircraft?

User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 679 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3498 times:

World already had 2 MD-11CF's. N275WA and N276WA were both converted over to pure freighter several years ago. The payload penalties on an MD-11CF operating as a freighter makes it very noncompetitive with a normal MD-11F. The changeover from pax to cargo and v/v is not something that can be completed overnight and has to be accomplished at a full service maintenance facility with all of the materials on hand ahead of time.

Rgds,
Ed



Ed
User currently offlineINTENSS From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 10):
N279WA has at the moment a Pax interrior... but she would be converted to a freighter.

FI642 is well aware of this bird....and by the way, it doesn't have a pax interior at the moment.

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 11):
I had understood that she was in for conversion already. If she isn't, I don't see how she's going to be ready to begin freighter service at the end of October.

Almost done.


INTENSS


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3458 times:

Quoting Clipper002 (Reply 13):
World already had 2 MD-11CF's. N275WA and N276WA were both converted over to pure freighter several years ago. The payload penalties on an MD-11CF operating as a freighter makes it very noncompetitive with a normal MD-11F. The changeover from pax to cargo and v/v is not something that can be completed overnight and has to be accomplished at a full service maintenance facility with all of the materials on hand ahead of time.

I see. Thanks for the explanation, Ed.


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5265 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
wouldn't it perhaps be convenient to convert the full PAX MD-11s they have into -CFs (Convertible Freighters)?

Ed got the answer, and he's one to know. Bottom line is that it's a nice idea in theory, but in practice the penalties outweigh the benefits of the limited flexibility that convertability offers.

Quoting INTENSS (Reply 14):
Almost done. (The conversion of 279.)

Thanks for the confirmation!

I'm still wondering where the second aircraft is coming from, and why it is suddenly available, insofar as Air Canada and Eva were supposed to be using all 5 a/c into 2007 and beyond. Unless it's going to be a DC10, but that's not what the release says.

[Edited 2006-09-17 12:08:42]

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