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Planes Most Profitable To Boeing And Airbus?  
User currently offlineJAM747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 550 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6644 times:

Which planes have been the most profitable to Boeing and Airbus? I would think that the ones in production the longest would be the ones most likely or am I wrong? Does anyone know?

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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6551 times:

Much like automobiles, bigger = more profits.

I have heard that the 747 is a cash cow for Boeing, especially freighter versions. That doesn't mean that other airplanes are unprofitable, just that the profit margin is higher.



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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6509 times:

I'm willing to bet the 737 has definately repaid its development costs and todays sales are icing on a 30 year old cake.

User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6497 times:

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 2):
I'm willing to bet the 737 has definately repaid its development costs and todays sales are icing on a 30 year old cake.

Except that the NG was effectively a brand new plane in the mid 90's - probably the oldest 744 and A300


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6476 times:

737's and A320 series aircraft hands down.

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User currently offlineSkyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 6324 times:

Boeing 737 series and 727. The best selling airliners, in their class, of all time!

Airbus 320.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9643 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 6297 times:

For a single model, for Boeing it would be the 747-400. That plane sold immensely well and had the highest yield as in mark up of any plane during the 90s when it was being sold in mass quantities very quickly. It was also the most expensive plane at the time.


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6388 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 6270 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
For a single model, for Boeing it would be the 747-400. That plane sold immensely well and had the highest yield as in mark up of any plane during the 90s when it was being sold in mass quantities very quickly. It was also the most expensive plane at the time.

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A friend of mine, who's a civil engineer by profession, took a graduate course (by remote interactive TV connection) which was taught by someone at Boeing. The class ended with an actual tour of Boeing's big facility at PAE (this was in the late 1990's). The tour guide said "Suppose you are a Boeing salesman. Which model would you want to sell?" The answer? Any 747-series aircraft, because, as stated before in this thread, the R&D money had been spent decades ago, and at that point in the program, any sale was pure profit for Boeing (coupled with a high list price due to the 747's lack of competitors at that point in time).



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 6266 times:

For Boeing I would say right now the 777 is the big money maker, the 777 will pass the torch to the 787 sometime after 2011/2012.

For Airbus I would say the A330 family is the biggest money maker.

I determine a money maker by two factors, how old the aircraft is and how well it's still selling.

If an aircraft is 10 years old (both A330, and 777 are 10+) and still selling well they have long paid off development and production costs and are in the pure profit zone.



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User currently offlineAirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2826 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6205 times:

Quoting JAM747 (Thread starter):
Which planes have been the most profitable to Boeing and Airbus? I would think that the ones in production the longest would be the ones most likely or am I wrong? Does anyone know?

There are two seperate ways to make a lot of money
Lots of Orders x Little Margin x Multiple iterations = $$$$
Few Orders x Big Margin = $$$$
Medium Orders x Middle Margin = $$$$

With all due respect to Airbus, they have not been a top bracket competitor for long enough to have multiple iterations of the 320. We will see what happens with the 320NG.

In which case the clear winners For the small market is:
DC-9, 737

For the larger market the 747 was the cash cow, but it started to dry up after the 744 and the route fragmentation over the Atlantic. Even the 777, 767 and 757 can't compete with the longevity of the 747.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 1):
I have heard that the 747 is a cash cow for Boeing, especially freighter versions. That doesn't mean that other airplanes are unprofitable, just that the profit margin is higher.

It pretty much started to dry up after the 744 and really stopped being their cash cow as soon as the 777 was introduced.

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 2):
I'm willing to bet the 737 has definitely repaid its development costs and todays sales are icing on a 30 year old cake.

Remember that there have been three iterations of the 737 so far, so it's not all gravy, but it's pretty profitable. The same goes for the DC-9, which had 3 or more iterations. The 727 didn't have the same longevity.


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