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User currently offlineAvconsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4016 times:

This is interesting. I cannot find anything on Delta.com. I wonder if the airport jumped the gun on this announcement.

Any DL internals know about this.


Delta to offer 1st-class flights from Fayetteville


By Al Greenwood
Staff writer

Fayetteville hasn’t had first-class service since US Airways removed its mainline jet in 2001, said Brad Whited, airport director.

Delta will be flying MD-88 jets under its own name, not Atlantic Southeast Airlines, a regional jet that flies from Fayetteville to Atlanta on behalf of Delta. Atlantic is owned by SkyWest Inc. of St. George, Utah.

Delta’s announcement comes less than a week after Allegiant Air said it would start direct flights to Orlando, Fla., on Nov. 7. Allegiant marks the first time in 12 years that Fayetteville has had three carriers.

The third carrier, US Airways, flies to Charlotte.

Delta is adding the jet to its Fayetteville air service because of increased demand, said Gina Laughlin, Delta spokeswoman.

Atlantic’s flights from Fayetteville are about 80 percent full, according to statistics from the airport. Out of the 50 seats on one of Atlantic’s regional jets, an average of 40 of those seats are filled.

“Those are strong numbers,” Whited said.

Passengers should be able to fill the additional seats, he said. Flights on US Airways are about 70 percent full, he said.

Passenger traffic at the airport has increased substantially since 2004, when the airlines lowered fares, Whited said. The airport has maintained much of that gain in traffic.

The addition of Delta’s jet and of Allegiant Air should not flood the airport with too many seats, Whited said. Nearly all of Allegiant’s passengers are tourists visiting Florida. Many of Delta’s passengers are business travelers flying to cities throughout the country.

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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8912 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3991 times:

It's in the schedules at delta.com:

DL1182 Lv ATL 1000 Ar FAY 1114 Eqp: M80
DL1183 Lv FAY 1159 Ar ATL 1321 Eqp: M80


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3928 times:

Interesting news. Certainly would have expected Fayetteville,AR to have DL mainline long before Fayetteville,NC. Oh well, let's see how long the MD-88 will stay on this route.

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6784 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

Oh how I wish DL would start 3 daily flights at EWN (new Bern).. 2x ATL, 1x JFK..


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3910 times:

Considering the military traffic into/out of FAY, it's surprising it took this long. I remember back when I worked for EV six years ago, we always have to leave bags behind because most of the FAY flights were on Brasilias. In the bag room, there was just about always a cart that was full of bags (mainly military duffles) for FAY. They'd take mail before they'd take bags (a decent amount of mail on the route and it was cheaper to leave the bags than to risk being fined by the USPS).

User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3845 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

geeze delta. FAY getting mainline seems like overkill.

Quoting Avconsultant (Thread starter):
Atlantic’s flights from Fayetteville are about 80 percent full, according to statistics from the airport. Out of the 50 seats on one of Atlantic’s regional jets, an average of 40 of those seats are filled.

Thats it! about 80%? wow.. I assume this route has really good yields.


User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
Oh how I wish DL would start 3 daily flights at EWN (new Bern).. 2x ATL, 1x JFK..

It would not suprise me to see EWN get ATL service at some point. However, North Carolina-JFK service has taken a hit of late with CLT and GSO losing their DL JFK flights. Granted both GSO and CLT still have LGA flights on DL.



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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2652 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3785 times:

I think also this is keeping an MD-88 moving. Granted, you have many a mainline DL bird crossing the Southeastern skies, but for 3:21 you've got your aircraft back in ATL for another run. That :45 turn in FAY is pretty nice to for DL.


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User currently offlineRookinla From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 307 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 6):
It would not suprise me to see EWN get ATL service at some point.

I agree with EWN-ATL but not EWN-JFK. I don't really see a market for JFK service there. I would think that EWN is probably on a DL short list of 6 or so cities in the Southeast US that will eventually get ATL service. Get ATL first and prove your market then worry about JFK.

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 5):
Thats it! about 80%? wow.. I assume this route has really good yields.

It must...because if an RJ is operating at 80% LF on the ATL-FAY route, there is about to be a significant increase in seats. Hopefully this route works...probably nice cargo. Hopefully DL will allocate the RJs used on this route to one or two worthy Southeast cities still without service.


User currently offlineBelizexp From Belize, joined Dec 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3747 times:

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 6):
North Carolina-JFK service has taken a hit of late with CLT and GSO losing their DL JFK flights. Granted both GSO and CLT still have LGA flights on DL.

DL can get better yields on the LGA service over JFK that maybe the reason for the blow to JFK flts.  twocents 



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6694 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3733 times:

It's nice to see DL send mainline to a smaller market. It's surprising that DL would take a market that currently only sees 6xCRJ's and go straight to mainline. The normal progression would be to upgrade to 70 seaters first.

Maybe the MD88 can help sweep up all those duffel bags that get left by the earlier CRJ flights.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6784 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3699 times:

But doesn't DL use their JFK flights as feeder flight for their international ops? So why wouldnt they have at least one or two that would connect to the international bank.

Anyway, I do hope EWN gets ATL service, at the least. Perhaps CO will come in with 2x EWR service too? There's room for new carriers and the area's popn is starting to rise.. and with the military, retired movement to the coast, and the crystal coast.. I could see more people flying out of New Bern if more options and slightly cheaper flights were available..

Hmm.. I wonder. Allegiant to SFB 2x weekly?

Oh the possibilities!



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3845 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3694 times:

Let me get this straight. All they have now is 6x CRJ-200/100? and they are going straight to mainline? Are they loosing a frequency?

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6784 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3684 times:

Looks like they are going from 6x to 5x including the mainline..


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3845 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3665 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 13):
Looks like they are going from 6x to 5x including the mainline..

I had never considered DL flying mainline here untill now, but if they can send a mad dog to FAY......


I wonder if there was some sort of deal behind this? Lower fees, marketing campaign, money upfront perhaps?

I say this because I highly doubt. Actually I know for a fact that there are a few airports in the DL Connection system that have a higher than 80% loadfactor, indicating demand.


User currently offlineRookinla From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 307 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):
But doesn't DL use their JFK flights as feeder flight for their international ops? So why wouldnt they have at least one or two that would connect to the international bank.

Yes they do but I just don't think that the numbers are there. First of all, show me the daily numbers for EWN passengers to Europe. Then show me the O&D numbers for EWN passengers to New York. I don't believe that you will find 40 to 50 passengers per day. Even then you have to set up ATL service first because DL won't open up a station for one flight a day.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6784 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3650 times:

Oh.. I agree..

I believe EWN-NYC is 35 daily.. so not that much..



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User currently offlineKSYR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3580 times:

Keep in mind that Allegiant also recently announced that it will start MD-80 flights FAY-SFB. Looks like FAY is in for a nice little air traffic boom! We used to have UAL, US, (and AA?) mainline back in the day. Hope this works out well!

User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2652 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3571 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 14):
I wonder if there was some sort of deal behind this? Lower fees, marketing campaign, money upfront perhaps?

I say this because I highly doubt. Actually I know for a fact that there are a few airports in the DL Connection system that have a higher than 80% loadfactor, indicating demand



Quoting KSYR (Reply 17):
Keep in mind that Allegiant also recently announced that it will start MD-80 flights FAY-SFB. Looks like FAY is in for a nice little air traffic boom! We used to have UAL, US, (and AA?) mainline back in the day. Hope this works out well!

Good points, it is possible also to keep FL from getting any ideas.



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3845 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3534 times:

Quoting B4real (Reply 18):
Good points, it is possible also to keep FL from getting any ideas.

I'd agree with you, but FAY seems too small for Aitrtan.

It doesnt seem like a FL city period. During war times, FAY is a bit deserted. Pretty gloomy and dirty form what I remember.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3443 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 19):
I'd agree with you, but FAY seems too small for Aitrtan.

It doesnt seem like a FL city period.

If the airport offers large enough of a subsidy, FL will fly there  Silly .


User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3361 times:

What date does this start? We at aca ILM cant find in reservations yet.


Desmond MacRae in ILM
User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3845 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3289 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 20):
If the airport offers large enough of a subsidy, FL will fly there .

As with any airport or airline.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6784 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3276 times:

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 21):
What date does this start?

It beings on All Saints Day - November 1, 2006.



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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3248 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 20):
If the airport offers large enough of a subsidy

The airport owner/operator cannot offer a subsidy to a single airline without eithering getting in a ton of hot water with the feds or without offering it to all. Such subsidies would have to come from the local chamber of commerce or business group.

Tom at MSY



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25 Post contains images DAL767400ER : I could refer to the whole FL/DL/ICT saga, but then this topic would quickly get off-topic .
26 Delta767 : Im shocked DL didnt go into ILM first, I wonder if this will usurp traffic from pax that were driving to RDU?
27 CasInterest : With Fayettville and RDU so close. There is no doubt it will affect a bit of travel, however this is one flight a day being upgraded by 50+ seats, Pl
28 ERAUgrad02 : i agree. we board more pax per month here at ILM than FAY.
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