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Update On AA And Others @DAL?  
User currently offlineStarstream707 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 174 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3981 times:

Anyone have any info or how loads and yields are going? For both AA and WN?

Seems like there was talk about NW and B6 wanting into DAL has anyone else heard anymore about this?

Thanks!

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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3976 times:

You wanting to know how loads are on WN at DAL? Ummm, it's basically their fortress....and I'd say loads are extremely high.

Don't know about AA and others, but WN....come on, no brainer there.

UAL


User currently offlineNateDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 1):
You wanting to know how loads are on WN at DAL? Ummm, it's basically their fortress....and I'd say loads are extremely high.

It is actually the opposite, the loads are very low at DAL.

For example, flights to LBB typically go out only half full.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3903 times:

for MCI/STL specifically, in April of 2006....

MCI-DAL AA carried 5,283
MCI-DAL WN carried 11,544


STL-DAL AA Carried 6,082
STL-DAL WN Carried 11,080

While not recent, shows you how much better WN is doing then AA on the new DAL routes.

Alex



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User currently offlineTeamAmerica From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1761 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3859 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 1):
You wanting to know how loads are on WN at DAL? Ummm, it's basically their fortress....and I'd say loads are extremely high.

Don't know about AA and others, but WN....come on, no brainer there.

Wrong. DAL is Southwest's home, but it is neither their largest nor best performing hub. The loads are not good, which was a major factor in SW moving against the WA after years of complacency.

Gotta watch out for those no brainers.  Smile



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User currently offlineBnamaxx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

Assuming Congress allows the changes and eventual dropping of the Wright Amendment, there will be what, only 2 or 3 unclaimed gates at DAL? I doubt we'll see many new carriers there. AA and WN both got what they wanted, effectively shutting out any competition forever.

User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3836 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 1):
You wanting to know how loads are on WN at DAL? Ummm, it's basically their fortress....and I'd say loads are extremely high.

Don't know about AA and others, but WN....come on, no brainer there.

The other posters are correct -- loads at DAL are relatively low for WN, which also has one of the lowest load factors in the industry.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 3):
While not recent, shows you how much better WN is doing then AA on the new DAL routes.

Actually, those numbers are better than I expected. AA has less capacity than WN on its routes to Missouri, and virtually no connecting opportunities. I thought their numbers would be a tenth of WN's, not half.



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User currently offlineTxagkuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3787 times:

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Wrong. DAL is Southwest's home, but it is neither their largest nor best performing hub. The loads are not good

Before we start suggesting they abandon DAL, you might want to look at the yields in and out of there.

It is almost all business traffic and a huge number of seats are sold at fulll fare.

First Qtr 06 Houston was back up to 4467 psgrs per day at an average fare of $101 with WN carrying 66% market share. That's about a 42 or 43 cent yield.

WN has 83% of the LBB market (>800 psgrs per day), average fare $90 for a 289 mi hop....what's that....a 32 cent yield or thereabouts?

You don't have to have every flight filled to the rafters with yields like that.

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Actually, those numbers are better than I expected. AA has less capacity than WN on its routes to Missouri, and virtually no connecting opportunities.

I'm sure someone will correct me if O am mistaken, but I think that's O&D traffic not on board psgrs. And AA's capacity is not that far behind WN's before the recent increase in # of flights - the MD80s are a little bigger than 735s.


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