Starstream707 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 174 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2164 times:
Anyone have any info or how loads and yields are going? For both AA and WN?
Seems like there was talk about NW and B6 wanting into DAL has anyone else heard anymore about this?
NateDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 416 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2128 times:
Quoting UAL747 (Reply 1): You wanting to know how loads are on WN at DAL? Ummm, it's basically their fortress....and I'd say loads are extremely high.
It is actually the opposite, the loads are very low at DAL.
For example, flights to LBB typically go out only half full.
Atrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5613 posts, RR: 54 Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2086 times:
for MCI/STL specifically, in April of 2006....
MCI-DAL AA carried 5,283
MCI-DAL WN carried 11,544
STL-DAL AA Carried 6,082
STL-DAL WN Carried 11,080
While not recent, shows you how much better WN is doing then AA on the new DAL routes.
Alex
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TeamAmerica From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1761 posts, RR: 23 Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2042 times:
Quoting UAL747 (Reply 1): You wanting to know how loads are on WN at DAL? Ummm, it's basically their fortress....and I'd say loads are extremely high.
Don't know about AA and others, but WN....come on, no brainer there.
Wrong. DAL is Southwest's home, but it is neither their largest nor best performing hub. The loads are not good, which was a major factor in SW moving against the WA after years of complacency.
Bnamaxx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2023 times:
Assuming Congress allows the changes and eventual dropping of the Wright Amendment, there will be what, only 2 or 3 unclaimed gates at DAL? I doubt we'll see many new carriers there. AA and WN both got what they wanted, effectively shutting out any competition forever.
Ssides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 23 Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2019 times:
Quoting UAL747 (Reply 1): You wanting to know how loads are on WN at DAL? Ummm, it's basically their fortress....and I'd say loads are extremely high.
Don't know about AA and others, but WN....come on, no brainer there.
The other posters are correct -- loads at DAL are relatively low for WN, which also has one of the lowest load factors in the industry.
Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 3): While not recent, shows you how much better WN is doing then AA on the new DAL routes.
Actually, those numbers are better than I expected. AA has less capacity than WN on its routes to Missouri, and virtually no connecting opportunities. I thought their numbers would be a tenth of WN's, not half.
Txagkuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 48 Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1970 times:
Quote: Wrong. DAL is Southwest's home, but it is neither their largest nor best performing hub. The loads are not good
Before we start suggesting they abandon DAL, you might want to look at the yields in and out of there.
It is almost all business traffic and a huge number of seats are sold at fulll fare.
First Qtr 06 Houston was back up to 4467 psgrs per day at an average fare of $101 with WN carrying 66% market share. That's about a 42 or 43 cent yield.
WN has 83% of the LBB market (>800 psgrs per day), average fare $90 for a 289 mi hop....what's that....a 32 cent yield or thereabouts?
You don't have to have every flight filled to the rafters with yields like that.
Quote: Actually, those numbers are better than I expected. AA has less capacity than WN on its routes to Missouri, and virtually no connecting opportunities.
I'm sure someone will correct me if O am mistaken, but I think that's O&D traffic not on board psgrs. And AA's capacity is not that far behind WN's before the recent increase in # of flights - the MD80s are a little bigger than 735s.
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