Albird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1370 times:
Hey
Just wondering if anyone knows why American decided why there 767-300ERs should not have a first class like there 767-200ERs? It suprises me as the 300s are always flying international to Europeans destinations and south america. Is there no demand for the F class on these segments?
Fbgdavidson From United Kingdom (England), joined Oct 2004, 3409 posts, RR: 34 Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1261 times:
I didn't think the A300 was used on international runs much (Caribbean excepted), especially not to Europe.
As for the comparison with the 767-200, the F cabin there is pretty good for domestic operations but not really good enough for international F anymore, especially compared to AA's coffins and Flagship Suite.
Mjlhou From United States, joined Sep 2006, 154 posts, RR: 9 Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1261 times:
AA did offer F class on the 763 until mid-2003. It seems that it happened at a time when all of the US carriers were eliminating F class from their planes. NW, DL and CO all eliminated F class before this (not sure if they ever had F class). I think they just felt they could offer a better value for the corporate client, while still offering a premium class yet making $$ by having fewer ammenities onboard. As far as I've seen from AA friends, F class is usually pretty full on the routes that have 772 service. I guess they've found out through experience which routes have a large F class demand. They do, however, consatntly fill F-class on the762...and it's only 9 F-class seats.
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Commavia From United States, joined Apr 2005, 6767 posts, RR: 59 Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1261 times:
In most international markets from the U.S. these days, most customers (even premium corporate travelers) don't want to spring for full-fare First Class tickets anymore. As the gap in service level between Business Class and First Class has narrowed over the last 10 years (spurred by the British Airways and Singapore Airlines of the world) the economic value proposition represented by First Class is simply not there anymore.
However, there are still some markets that can easily support First Class service. That's places like London, Buenos Aires, Tokyo, etc. In these markets, plus some unique value-based niche markets like Chicago-Delhi and Chicago-Shanghai that American also services, First Class can still be sold profitably. However, in traditional foreign markets like Paris, Manchester, Rio de Janeiro than American has served with 3-class 767s in the past, a 2-class Business/Coach capacity mix (especially with American's soon-to-be-rolled-out Business upgrade) is more than sufficient.
Ckfred From United States, joined Apr 2001, 3041 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1221 times:
The reason that AA still has 3-class service on 767-200ERs flying transcon routes is that there are many people from the entertainment and financial incdustries that fly. These are flyers who do have the money to spend on F seats.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 25666 posts, RR: 75 Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1016 times:
Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 2): I didn't think the A300 was used on international runs much (Caribbean excepted), especially not to Europe.
There was a dedicated 3-class A300 fleet that flew exclusively to Europe, mainly from JFK, EWR, and BOS. At one point, IIRC, they were also used on MIA-MAD.
Fbgdavidson From United Kingdom (England), joined Oct 2004, 3409 posts, RR: 34 Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 921 times:
Quoting LHR777 (Reply 8): Where did that come from? The OP didn't mention the A300...?!
Ah yes, I misread this as referring to the A300s as opposed to the 767-300s...
Quoting Albird87 (Thread starter): It suprises me as the 300s are always flying international to Europeans destinations and south america. Is there no demand for the F class on these segments?
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Tangowhisky From United States, joined Jun 2006, 585 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 686 times:
One of the reasons why F CLass dissapeared on domestic routes was the result of boom in corporate aviation. These people care for direct flights with no stopovers and convenient schedules. As for international flights, they do not have as many choices on corporate aviation as there are very few planes that can do 9-12 hour flights, and they are expensive.
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