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Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)  
User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 35
Posted (7 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 7165 times:

I was randomly trolling through videos on flightlevel350 and happened to catch this. Since the use of cell phones on commercial aircraft is a frequent topic for debate/discussion around here, I figured that some of you may find this to be amusing.

About 38 seconds into the video you can clearly hear a cell phone ring and a male voice say "Hello?". A female passenger, obviously in close proximity to the person who made this film pipes up and goes: "Huh. Noooooo! That should be switched off. RIGHT NOW." This is particularly amusing given the fact that she is so close to someone who is using a videocamera (read electronic device) to film the takeoff. I doubt that the female voice is a part of the active flight crew as the video is being shot from around the center of the aircraft, and at this point the flight attendants would be seated and buckled up for departure.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra...rica_West_Aviation_Video-7002.html


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User currently offlineTraineepilot From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 7101 times:

Mobile phones should be switched off, but electronic equipment as such doesnt affect aircraft avionics, its more a safety issue in the case of an RTO (Rejected Take Off).

User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 7059 times:

Which was my point, neither of those items should technically be in use during takeoff. I guess she felt as though the cell phone posed to be more of an immediate threat to the aircraft whereas the video camera is just a distraction to the person who is using it.


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User currently offlineCOEWR737 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 7051 times:

OMG why would he even answer it...if in the rare experience that happened to me.....I would immediatly turn it off.


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User currently offlineTraineepilot From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 7008 times:

Quoting COEWR737 (Reply 3):
OMG why would he even answer it...if in the rare experience that happened to me.....I would immediatly turn it off

And that should be rewarded, if you forget to turn off your phone, fair enough, as lond as correct your mistake ASAP.


User currently offlineSJC4ME From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 hours ago) and read 6967 times:

Oh brother. One ringing cell phone in this day and age isnt going to bring an airliner to its knees. I believe the rule exists so people on cell phones don't annoy other passengers. I highly doubt it actually interferes with anything in the cockpit.


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User currently offlineTraineepilot From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 hours ago) and read 6946 times:

Quoting SJC4ME (Reply 5):
Oh brother. One ringing cell phone in this day and age isnt going to bring an airliner to its knees. I believe the rule exists so people on cell phones don't annoy other passengers. I highly doubt it actually interferes with anything in the cockpit.

And to an extent you are correct, however, mobile phones signals have interfered with GPS signals, which, no, isnt a major problem. But if you consider people dont smoke on an aeroplane when asked, then why should they use a mobile when asked not to.


User currently offlineAntiuser From Italy, joined May 2004, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 hours ago) and read 6907 times:

There was an episode of Mythbusters where they busted that myth. Their conclusion was, modern airliners are well-shielded enough to not suffer interference from a mobile phone. Interference or not, though, it's still the law and it should be switched off...


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User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 hours ago) and read 6839 times:

Like one of the above posters, I personally am in awe the the guy actually answered the phone. Any responsible person would turn their phone off once the announcement is made that the doors have been closed and the use of certain electronic devices is prohibited (and even more so if they did not turn it off and it were to ring after the fact). Regardless of whether or not you believe that a cell phone can interfere with the aircrafts' electronics suite (I don't believe that a cell phone would cause a disruption severe enough to bring a modern commercial aircraft down-though I have read that they can cause interference with some communications equipment), to me this man is simply showing utter disregard to the rules that are in place. But then again, so is the person using the video camera during takeoff or landing if you want to be technical. He is just using a device that doesn't quite have the "obnoxious" factor that many people are glad to escape from once they board a sealed tube for hours at a time.


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User currently offlineWidebody From Ireland, joined Aug 2000, 1152 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 6759 times:

Quoting Antiuser (Reply 7):
There was an episode of Mythbusters where they busted that myth. Their conclusion was, modern airliners are well-shielded enough to not suffer interference from a mobile phone. Interference or not, though, it's still the law and it should be switched off...

Don't know how they prove it but its simply not true! I've seen the effects of mobile phone interference 3 or 4 times and the problem definitely exists. The new 3G phones are powerful enough to cause some detrimental interference.


User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1430 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6507 times:

The FAA says turn it off......so DO IT! If you're so important and connected that you can't remove yourself from your litle electronic toys then please take the train.

I had a guy last week not obeying the rules....and I always say Karma will get you. Well, we had to slam on the brakes pretty hard b/c some idot ramper almost drove right into us. Anywho, his little PDA flew out of his hand and into the forward galley and broke apart a bit.....enough that is was sure turned off when I picked it up.

STOW all devices and turn them off. NOT because everything will interfere, but b/c the aircraft should be as prepared as possible for an evacuation during taxi/takeoff/landing. Once we're up in the air it's fine to have those items out as long as the cell phone portion is turned off.

People who come back with, "It's not a big deal." I say......"EXACTLY so just do it!"



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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6478 times:

There was already a big thread about if cellphones affect airplanes or not.

This time, instead of arguing that, I'm going to go with WNCrew and just hammer in the fact that no matter what you think or what you want to do, it is against FAA regulations. People blow that off, but FAA regulations are Federal Law, and by not following them, its possible you're committing a felony.


User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

If you ask me, they should at least not be allowed for the comfort of other passengers (like smoking but less hazardous to one's health). When people have phones ring prior to landing or before takeoff (i.e. at low altitudes when phones work) I just want them to shut up because of two things: First, I'm trying to enjoy my flight, and second, it shows disregard for reasonable crewmember instructions. But yes, I agree it is more of an annoyance than a real danger to the flight.

User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2679 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5654 times:

But...ALL electronic devices are supposed to be turned off, that includes video camera. For some reason aviation enthusiasts feel it is acceptable to break this rule, hence the enormous amount of videos like this on MyTube and FlightLevel350

User currently offlineTheRonald From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5169 times:

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 10):
The FAA says turn it off......so DO IT! If you're so important and connected that you can't remove yourself from your litle electronic toys then please take the train

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User currently offlineBoo25 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4037 times:

I wouldn't call a 737-300 a modern airliner - they have been around over 20 years now, the -300 series a LONG time before cell phone technology - i very much doubt the aircraft has been updated to 'shield' it....

We often have idiots on our flights who's mobile phone rings on taxi, and they ALWAYS answer as they are SUCH important people - durhhhhh...

It has been proven that cellphones/mobis can interfere with Autopilot and ATC instructions.......


User currently offlineSJC4Me From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3722 times:

Just to add on, there are no signal towers 7 miles in the air. You can't get service up there anyway, so might as well turn it off.


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User currently offlineStealth777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3336 times:

since we're on this topic.. how does a video camera or even a digital camera shooting in video mode affect the cockpit? I understand the cell phone rule and I turn it off once I hear the announcement is made that the front door is closed, and I check it one more time on push-back just to make sure that its off. but then I whip out the digital camera and start snapping away at pictures and/or movie during the flight. Now is that something bad in regards to using video, digital and regular cameras below the regulated feet of 10,000 where all electronic devices should be off. The only reason I could see this pose a threat is in case of an evacuation, these items could hinder your escape.

what's your opinion on the video, digital camera issue?


User currently offlineTraineepilot From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

Quoting Stealth777 (Reply 17):
regulated feet of 10,000

I thought that it was only the pilots wasnt aloud to engage in any activity other than flying the plane under 10000 feet.


User currently offlineLredlefsen From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2622 times:

Quoting SJC4ME (Reply 5):
the rule exists so people on cell phones don't annoy other passengers. I highly doubt it actually interferes with anything in the cockpit.



Quoting SJC4Me (Reply 16):
Just to add on, there are no signal towers 7 miles in the air. You can't get service up there anyway, so might as well turn it off.

Actually, the major reason for turning cell phones off in-flight has nothing at all to do with the airplane or its systems -- it has to do with the cell phone network on the ground!

At 7 miles above ground, your phone can not only see one or two cell towers -- it can literally see dozens of towers! This confuses the hell out of the the phone network.

As the plane moves through the air, the phone is "handed off" from cell site to cell site. The software that does this handing off was written with the assumption that the phone moves at less than 200 mph ("reasonable" speed of a moving car in, say, Germany). Once you start to exceed that speed, the phone switches get overloaded (they have too many handoffs in too short a period of time), and calls get dropped, etc. etc. etc.

Cell phones are very unlikely to interfere with the systems of the plane. If there were truly a safety concern, then the airlines wouldn't be working on rolling out "microcells" -- tiny little cell sites that are installed in the plane, and which relay your phone call to the ground-based network. This is coming to a plane near you in the next year or two.

I'm really not looking forward to having someone gabbing away on their cell phone within earshot.


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2611 times:

All electronic equipment should be switched off during takeoff and landing - phones, laptops, ipods, and VIDEO CAMERAS!!!

It's stupid to denounce the guy whose phone rang while the person who took the footage, and kept rolling all the way during takeoff, seems not to be bashed at all!

Anyone who has ever posted pictures or videos of planes taking off shot from inside the aircraft would already have broken the law.



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 11):
There was already a big thread about if cellphones affect airplanes or not.

This time, instead of arguing that, I'm going to go with WNCrew and just hammer in the fact that no matter what you think or what you want to do, it is against FAA regulations. People blow that off, but FAA regulations are Federal Law, and by not following them, its possible you're committing a felony

Just to play Devil's Advocate, the person filming this video is potentially committing a felony too. Crew member instructions include "all electronic devices must be off and stowed for takeoff and landing", though the video cameras can be used above 10,000 feet. I'm guilty of this too. I've shot a couple videos of taking off and landing, and have several photos as well. Fortunately, my camera at least has a wrist strap, so between that and me holding it with both hands, I don't think it's going anywhere if we have to brake hard. I didn't have any problems filming Apollo's Chariot at Busch Gardens either. I just held the camera on the top of the lap bar and it didn't go anywhere. Never once felt like I was going to lose control of it. Now if I can maintain control of the camera on a 70+mph roller coaster, I'm not too worried about controlling it on a plane.  Wink
Besides, me "theory" is that if we crash on takeoff or landing or at least get to experience an emergency landing or something, the FAA will be able to use my video to help solve the case.  Wink

Anyway, I'm undecided as to whether or not cell phones do interfere with the aircraft. Heck, back in June on a charter flight on a Chamion Air 727, I forgot to turn my cell phone off (I had it in my backpack, so I didn't even think about it, and upon landing in DEN, realized I left it on the entire flight.
However, I am very thankful they can't be used on the plane because the airplane is about the only place I know I won't have to deal with or listen to people running their mouths and shouting into their cell phones for hours at a time.


User currently offlineSJC4Me From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2545 times:

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 20):
Anyone who has ever posted pictures or videos of planes taking off shot from inside the aircraft would already have broken the law.

So pretty much everyone on this site then.



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