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RUMOR: AS To Change Terminals At LAX?  
User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 560 posts, RR: 10
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6572 times:

I had the opportunity to speak with a couple of agents at LAX from a couple of carriers and was told that AS is planning to move to T-6. This is merely a rumor and unsubstantiated, but I do recall seeing posts regarding AS's desire to move out of T-3. Does anyone have any confirmation of this or whether or not this is really under consideration?

Cheers

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User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6572 times:

And they would fit at terminal six how again?


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User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6543 times:

Now I heard that AS/QX is planning to build or rebuild a new terminal or T-3. This is also a rumor but if they were planning to rebulid T-3 then they might use T-6 while they are rebuliding T-3. one thing is for sure they need more room, especally if QX is planning to expand LAX service.

User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 560 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6543 times:

Good question. That's just what I heard. Perhaps they said T-6 and meant another terminal, I don't know. The question however is whether or not they are considering a move and if so, to where?

Cheers


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2915 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6513 times:

Quoting AirplaneBoy (Reply 3):
Perhaps they said T-6 and meant another terminal

It's been rumored on this forum that AS could possibly move into T5 as well.


User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6495 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 4):
It's been rumored on this forum that AS could possibly move into T5 as well.

That will not be happening. Just another ridiculous rumor.


User currently offlineCcc From United States of America, joined May 2005, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6423 times:

They need to. Terminal 3 is a dump.

User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6392 times:

Well, who owns T3? I thought the only privately own terminals were T2, T4, T7, and T8. If T3 is owned by LAWA, then the airlines can't do anything about it. LAWA has to. And, according to the LAWA master-plan, there are no thoughts right now on doing anything to the basic look of T3.

User currently offlineDeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1643 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6383 times:

DLWIDGETHEAD:

No there is truth to what BIGSFO said. THere was huge thread on this a while ago and some viable conclusions came of it. In a nutshell, Delta is in default on its leases on t5. DL also underutilizes T5. There is a possibility that AS could share t5 with DL.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2915 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6366 times:

I said rumor. I didn't claim it was anything other than that. But this topic comes up about every other month. I was simply stating what was discussed before.

[Edited 2006-09-15 07:05:56]

User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6366 times:

Quoting Deltaflyertoo (Reply 8):
No there is truth to what BIGSFO said. THere was huge thread on this a while ago and some viable conclusions came of it. In a nutshell, Delta is in default on its leases on t5. DL also underutilizes T5. There is a possibility that AS could share t5 with DL.

Don't believe everything you read on ANET.


User currently offlineFlypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6356 times:

Quoting Deltaflyertoo (Reply 8):
DL also underutilizes T5. There is a possibility that AS could share t5 with DL.

Have you not read about the service increase that DL is bringing to LAX? There is a nice sized buildup occurring in the next couple of months.


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6336 times:

BigGSFO: No T-5 move! This rumor was only started when DL wasn't paying their lease and it followed and article in a local paper over the issue. DL is expanding dramatically and no room would be left for AS/QX.

The T-6 rumor is the more heavily talked about one at this time, though has become less talked about as of late. We are honestly not being told anything. Which is normal since this is a corporate decision. I can tell you that the relocation of our Operations Office is in limbo till a decision is made on whether we are moving or not. Apparently the politics behind the whole thing is what AS is frustrated over. We have been told though that if it happened, it would be a quick move.

Ralgha: If United was to operate international only from that terminal, there would be plenty of room.

Chances are slim that T-3 is going to be rebuilt. We are in the middle of the slowest remodel man kind has ever seen here at T-3. There is really few option that can be done with this terminal and as Ccc said this place is a dump. I have not been over in T-6, but I hear its not much of a step up.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2915 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6319 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 12):
BigGSFO: No T-5 move!

Thanks AS. I promise to never bring it up again.  Wink


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6300 times:

No worries! We wish we could have moved over there. Its a very nice terminal in my opinion.

I'm picking up my friend tommorow on CO, so I may walk down to the gate and check out T-6.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6271 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 7):
Well, who owns T3?

Defaulted back to the city after TWA gave it up. The years of neglect by TWA has left the terminal in a time warp.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 7):
I thought the only privately own terminals were T2, T4, T7, and T8. If T3 is

The only quasi private terminal at LAX is T-2. Owned and built by LAX-Two Corp whose shareholders are Northwest, Air Canada, and Hawaiian. LAX-Two Corp has something like a 75 year lease on the land for the terminal.

T-4, 7&8 very much belong to the city, but are under long term leases to AA and UA respectively.

Quoting Deltaflyertoo (Reply 8):
Delta is in default on its leases on t5

There is a hearing scheduled sometime in October to decide on the cities motion to evict DL for default on its recently revised lease and debt obligations for T-5.

Earlier in the year the city was actively shopping the facility around to other airlines with a proposed multi airline facility swap.

Nothing is certain yet until either the judge rules or parties can come to terms before the hearing.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6271 times:

If DL were to leave T6 temporarily, there would be room for AS to have a few gates while they reworked T3. I see this as a possibility, that it's a temporary thing, where AS/QX would be split in T3 and T6 (with a shuttle bus for connections from 60A) while T3 is reworked/reconfigured.

Laxintl would have more insight into this idea...



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User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 560 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6192 times:

Thanks for the replies. I should reiterate that what I was told was merely speculation.

T-3 definitely is in a time warp. I must admit though- it has been cleaned up a lot. There are brighter lights throughout the terminal, the restrooms have been cleaned up, and new carpeting and tile work on the columns have been placed. It appears that a few new jetways have been installed as well. The TSA screening checkpoint has been better organized with what little space the terminal has. Overall, it's a step up from its previous condition, although no where near being a modern facility other airport terminals enjoy (LAX T-4, DEN, etc.)

Cheers


User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6141 times:

Here is a quote from a recent Alaskasworld article.
Note the part about LAX:

AW: What’s the plan for upgrading our stations in Los Angeles and Seattle and our Phoenix Reservations Center — and how does this fit into the Alaska 2010 Plan?

Ayer: “Having adequate facilities at all locations is an integral part of our future. Planning is the key. Facility requirements must be part of our strategic growth plan, which is why we named Ed White vice president of corporate real estate.”

Johnson: “We’re in the final stages of planning an “airport of the future” operation at Sea-Tac. If I could wave a magic wand at LAX, the ideal facility would be one with a brand-new look, capacity to handle our current operation and future growth, a modern baggage-handling system, a much more inviting atmosphere for our customers, and an integrated customs and immigration facility. There are a lot facility constraints and political hurdles to overcome, but I’m confident it’ll happen over time.”

Finan: “An important point to remember is that profitability makes these capital investments possible. And we’re profitable because we’ve had good discipline about lowering our costs.”


Since there is some money available to expand/improve, I seriously hope
that AS will pour a good amount of it into LAX.
AS flies more passengers internationally out of LAX than anyone else, and
there is a lot of room to grow. Of course, this would be a substantial investment,
but IMHO it would be worth it in the long run.



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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6129 times:

Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 18):
AS flies more passengers internationally out of LAX than anyone else

I was surprised about this but the LAWA statistics bare this statement out.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6112 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 16):
If DL were to leave T6 temporarily, there would be room for AS to have a few gates while they reworked T3. I see this as a possibility, that it's a temporary thing, where AS/QX would be split in T3 and T6 (with a shuttle bus for connections from 60A) while T3 is reworked/reconfigured.

AS would still have to send Mexico flights to Bradley, as the T6/7 FIS is reserved for United's use.



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User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6107 times:

Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 18):
AS flies more passengers internationally out of LAX than anyone else



Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 19):
I was surprised about this but the LAWA statistics bare this statement out.

I'm not sure where you guys are looking, but according to this summary for July 2006, Mexicana flew 66,336 international passengers out of LAX compared to Alaska's 53,038 international departing passengers. For comparison's sake, American flew 30,085, United 49,922, and Delta a paltry 6,698. It will be interesting to what Delta's number looks like a couple of years from now.

http://www.lawa.org/lax/statistics/pdf/m_share-2006.pdf



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6098 times:

Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 18):
If I could wave a magic wand at LAX, the ideal facility would be one with a brand-new look, capacity to handle our current operation and future growth, a modern baggage-handling system, a much more inviting atmosphere for our customers, and an integrated customs and immigration facility.

Sounds a lot like T5...  Wink Maybe they can waive a magic wand in the next 2 months? Wonder how DL would like T3...

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
AS would still have to send Mexico flights to Bradley, as the T6/7 FIS is reserved for United's use.

Never said they wouldn't. Only suggesting that if T3 needs so much work that it would involve shutting down some gates at a time, they'd need to use another facility temporarily. But I guess it would be just as easy/hard for AS to just use remote stands and busses in that case. The "commute" would be shorter...

Where do CO's mexico flights clear? Do they only depart from T6?



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6088 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 22):
Where do CO's mexico flights clear? Do they only depart from T6?

Depart T6, arrive Bradley.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 22):
Never said they wouldn't. Only suggesting that if T3 needs so much work that it would involve shutting down some gates at a time, they'd need to use another facility temporarily. But I guess it would be just as easy/hard for AS to just use remote stands and busses in that case. The "commute" would be shorter...

In reality, T3 could be overhauled without shutting down. The gates themselves are designed just fine, with lots of space. It is more the interior that needs refurbishing, which AA showed can be done without closing the terminal.



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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6080 times:

Quoting DeltaSFO (Reply 21):
I'm not sure where you guys are looking, but according to this summary for July 2006, Mexicana flew 66,336 international passengers out of LAX compared to Alaska's 53,038

The statistics area on LAWA under market share and top 10 airlines. For the period on Jan 06 thru Jul 06 Alaska moved 785,467 International passengers (#1) and Mexicana moved 779,827 (#2).

[Edited 2006-09-15 11:42:22]

25 WesternA318 : LOL< any guesses as to which airlines will still be around by then? LOL
26 Flyboy7974 : I had heard this as well from a friend doing the Alaska internship, but it was only a temp move as they consider rebuilding terminal 3 offering a more
27 Jfk777 : It is sad to see passenger paying the price for the slow rennovations at LAX. T3 has been very empty since TWA went broke. IT should have been torn do
28 CHIFLYGUY : Twill be interesting to see what happens with T5. As an AA fan, I'd love to see AA be able to snatch 4-5 gates, as they need the space badly and those
29 Alitalia744 : There were issues. They are being worked out. DL is not leaving T-5 at LAX, nor are other carriers moving into T-5. The latest I heard, as a compromi
30 Laxintl : You can forget that rumor. The AE terminal is not being "abandoned" and thus available for use by others. Its being torn down as part of approved Mas
31 BigGSFO : IMO, UA should consolidate their operations. Leases, contracts, blah blah blah aside, they should better utilize T7 and step out of T6. T8 is highly
32 CHIFLYGUY : UA isn't interested in better utilizing their space. As with other valuable rights they hold, they appear to be more interested in squatting on them
33 MarkATL : A.net should start a new Forum just for rumors.
34 Post contains images BigGSFO : There wouldn't be much to talk about in Civil-Av then.
35 Ikramerica : I've been saying this has to be the answer for many months now. DL is just using their gates poorly, and T-6 would be better used by someone else. Fo
36 Laxintl : United had their own pissing contest going with the city regarding usage of UAX props at the T-8 gates following UA consolidation of all UAX flying a
37 DeltaSFO : Delta and the city of Los Angeles are very close to resolving the dispute and we will see this announced publicly in the near future.
38 SJC4Me : Isn't LAWA's master plan to build a huge new terminal near World Way? If thats the case, why renovate T3 when you can wait it out and move into the pl
39 Ramprat74 : 41 RJ and 87 EMB departures a day isn't under-utilizing those eight gates.
40 BigGSFO : I stand corrected then. I have been in that terminal a few times over the past six months and it never appeared to have been too busy.
41 Deltaflyertoo : Yes I've read that DL is revamping LAX and that leaves no room at t5, etc. etc...but statisitically speaking DL will stand down these ops in a year or
42 Alaskaqantas : what would AS do about the lounge in LAX? IF they moved would they build a new one, or is there an old one over there that they could do up and use? ~
43 Laxintl : Hope so for DL's sake. They've been talking for 1+ year which finally prompted to City to force an eviction in the Spring. From what I've heard the C
44 Post contains images Aaway : I tend to think that this rumor began as a result of AS' lease having expired, and not signing a new lease in T-3. A bit of background: The leases in
45 Gmcc : If AS does anything in LAX lets hope they somehow manage to put a gate for QX in LAX like C2 in SEA, ie C2A Thur C2M. Having people walk down a jetway
46 Maiznblu_757 : They might as well move to TBIT. Was there around a week ago, on a Sunday evening, the only "Intl" airline occupying any gates was Mexicana... the res
47 WesternA318 : Does T3 have a FIS facility?
48 AS739X : Western: No, this is the main reason Alaska wants to move. ASLAX
49 Post contains links PlanenutzTB : According to the LAX "master plan" T-1, T-2, and T-3 will all be demolished. New terminals are in the plan to be built. A large artist rendering of th
50 WesternA318 : Ahh, thank you much for clarifying without flaming. So, when TWA was doing its LAX-LHR flights, theyd park at TB and then get towed over to T3?
51 BigGSFO : Yes LHRLAX and CDGLAX arrived at TBIT and departed T3. And before TBIT was built, FIS was in T2 (in these God awful tent-like structures).
52 Laxintl : Unlikely to happen. The Northside re-development was not one of the "green lighted" projects as part of the Masterplan court settlement. The only rea
53 Ikramerica : But AS need not be the one to move there. T-3 has a few carriers that don't use it very much. If DL leaves as part of their deal to keep T-5 (a likel
54 BigGSFO : Ah, but that would thwart the impending CO/UA merger...
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