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NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines  
User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2695 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 8454 times:

Compass Airlines will soon become one of NW's regional carriers. Compass Airlines will have a fleet of 76 seat regional jets. The only destinations I know Compass will fly to is MSP and Washington Dulles. Does anyone else know where Compass will fly to? And what regional jet has 76 seats?


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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3122 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 8446 times:

Courtesy: Minneapolis Star-Tribune

Northwest Gets Ready For Launch Of Subsidiary - Compass

http://www.startribune.com/535/story/678313.html


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8353 times:

I like the way that James Oberstar described the way NW interacts with XJ, 9E, & Compass. It is so true, although it would be false to believe that this only occurs at NW. I also like how Wade Blaufuss, ALPA spokesman, included that bit about how ALPA "successfully negotiated" a clause into the new NW pilot contract so the furloughed NW pilots got preferrential treatment to take jobs at Compass. Successfully? Yeah right. Do they actually think they are going to get too many? NW tried to recall pilots for the month of October. They had to send out about 6 times as many letters as the amount of pilots they wanted.

[Edited 2006-09-15 15:46:39]


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User currently offlineBluefly From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 8253 times:

Does anyone know what the livery will be like?
Will it be just like NW, but with compass titles?

 swirl  Bluefly


User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 8211 times:

Could it be the E-175 perhaps? The E-170 however, accomodates 72 pax, all coach.

User currently offlineLucky42 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 8188 times:

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 2):
They had to send out about 6 times as many letters as the amount of pilots they wanted.

Yeah but like I said in an earlier thread there are people who will work in this industry for no pay....But the pilots who have the right stuff are now going to UPS and FedEx and are shying away from the pax carriers.


User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 7995 times:

Quoting Af773atmsp (Thread starter):
And what regional jet has 76 seats?

The CRJ-705(basically a CRJ-900 in dual class) accomadates 75 in 10F/65Y. The Embraer 175 seats 78 in 6F/72Y. My bet is that it will be the CRJ-705 with an extra seat.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 7930 times:

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 6):
My bet is that it will be the CRJ-705 with an extra seat.

NW has long been leaning towards the EMB series. Especially with the likelyhood of the E190/195 going to be put into mainline.



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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7740 times:

I doubt there will be a different paint scheme on NW's other regional carrier Compass Airlines. I' ve never seen the regional jets say Mesaba Airlines or Pinnacle Airlines in the new scheme and old scheme. But there will probably be one paint scheme that says Compass Airlines with a compass on it.


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User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7591 times:

My bet is for CRJ-900. Because dont they have money from a deposit for crjs they were getting anyway for their regionals? They'd be fools to not.


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User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7537 times:
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Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 8):
I doubt there will be a different paint scheme on NW's other regional carrier Compass Airlines. I' ve never seen the regional jets say Mesaba Airlines or Pinnacle Airlines in the new scheme and old scheme. But there will probably be one paint scheme that says Compass Airlines with a compass on it.

ah Af773, our MSP local expert. RJ's operated by both Pinnacle AND Mesaba DO exist in both the new and old paintschemes. There are both new and old scheme CRJ's operated by 9E. There are both new and old scheme Avros operated by XJ. There are even new and old scheme Saabs operated by XJ. However, the two CRJ's that were delivered to XJ were delivered in the new paint scheme. And I see them every day at MSP. And I even used to work with all these airplanes, in person!



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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7521 times:

They say compass will fly 50 seats for now. I really don't get this whole compass thing, why don't they just give the flying to Pinnacle or Mesaba. I think this whole thing was designed just to keep the mainline pilots happy.

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 8):
But there will probably be one paint scheme that says Compass Airlines with a compass on it.

This isn't a spearate airline, it's just an airlink partner. The colors will be the same as pinnacle and Mesaba.


User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7284 times:

Even though a quick search at the US Patent office will show a logo for Compass that looks like the NWA logo, I believe that Compass will still be operating as Northwest Airlink, meaning the aircraft will be just the same as the ones flown by Mesaba and Pinnacle:


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User currently offlineFlightlover From Moldova, joined Mar 2004, 344 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6927 times:

Sometimes the best thing is to do a google search  Smile

Look what I read on wikipedia:

"Compass Airlines is a new subsidiary to Northwest Airlines to be launched during the 4th quarter of 2006 flying a single Bombardier CRJ-200 between Minneapolis/St. Paul and Washington Dulles. During the concept phase, the subsidiary was known as "NewCo".

Compass was formed due to a contract dispute between Northwest and its pilot's union. Due to the scope clause in the pilot contracts, the number of mid-sized jets operated by the airline was limited. In order to avert this problem, Northwest bought the operating certificate of defunct Independence Air on March 10, 2006, for $2 Million, in order to establish a new feeder airline. It is speculated that Compass will operate Embraer E-195s, although the Bombardier CRJ-900 is also under consideration. These aircraft will help to replace the aging DC-9s and lower the cost per available seat mile.

While the order and delivery of these aircraft are pending, a single CRJ-200 will remain in service to preserve the airline's operating certificate."


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6883 times:

Quoting JBo (Reply 12):
a logo for Compass that looks like the NWA logo

And a very boring logo it is. They seemed to use Arial Black font over the standard NWA logo. I know some JH students who could design that...Wonder how much it cost them?

I was actually hoping it would look more like a compass with the arrow facing NW.



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User currently offlineDocChaos From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6340 times:

Semi On Topic...
I have been looking for a set of pictures on the MSP ramp that shows NW looking at the CRJ-705 and the EMB-170/175. I know someone posted a link to flickr or another photo service, and was wondering if anyone has the link...

DocChaos


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6316 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 11):
They say compass will fly 50 seats for now. I really don't get this whole compass thing, why don't they just give the flying to Pinnacle or Mesaba. I think this whole thing was designed just to keep the mainline pilots happy.

Because they bought the operating certificate of I-Air, thus, hey can't give it to Mesaba or pinnacle.

Quoting JBo (Reply 12):
I believe that Compass will still be operating as Northwest Airlink,

Yes, it will be a wholly owned subsidary, like Pinnacle used to be.

Quoting Flightlover (Reply 13):
It is speculated that Compass will operate Embraer E-195s, although the Bombardier CRJ-900 is also under consideration.

Wikipedia is wrong. Compass can't operate anything larger then the EMB-170 series. The E-190/195 has too many seats and those will in mainline. 76 seats max for airlink carriers. Anything over that must be mainline.



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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6227 times:

No wonder when I look at AC 190's it doesn't say jazz or any of its other regional carriers. I would like to see NW order the E 190. But the CRJ 900 is fine.


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User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2398 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6170 times:

ATW Daily News

Northwest to chart new course with Compass, releases February results
Friday March 31, 2006
Northwest Airlines expects to have its new Regional carrier, now named Compass Airlines, up and running by June, based on a filing with the US Dept. of Transportation asking DOT to transfer Independence Air's operating certificate to Compass. NWA acquired defunct Independence Air's certificate earlier this month.Northwest asked its pilots union last fall for permission to create a wholly owned regional subsidiary under the working name of NewCo that would operate 70-seat regional jets (ATWOnline, Oct. 14, 2005). "To operate at a profit, we must invest in these aircraft and we must do so quickly," President and CEO Doug Steenland told employees in January. "We have a need for these aircraft."

A company spokesperson would not comment on the aircraft selection process, but according to DOT filings and press reports, Northwest is eyeing CRJ900s or Embraer 175s as the choice for the Compass fleet. NWA pilots are in the process of ratifying an agreement that will permit Compass to operate 76-seat RJs using pilots furloughed from the mainline. The Associated Press reported that the new carrier could have as many as 36 jets flying within five years.

Separately, Northwest in its monthly report to the bankruptcy court said it lost $496 million in the month of February, including $431 million in Chapter 11 reorganization-related expenses. Excluding the impact of special charges, the carrier's loss was $65 million. Comparisons with the year-ago period were not provided, but NWA lost $458 million in the first three months of 2005, or $440 million excluding special charges, an average of $147 million per month.

February 2006 operating revenues totaled $889 million while expenses reached $919 million, resulting in an operating loss of $30 million. Labor costs totaled $215 million and fuel expense was $238 million. Of the $431 million in bankruptcy-related charges, $400 million was related to restructured aircraft lease/debt charges and $25 million from aircraft rejection charges.

NWA is trying to cut $2.2 billion in total expenses from its annual budget through its bankruptcy restructuring while reducing debt and lease obligations by $4.2-$4.4 billion.

by Perry Flint and Sandra Arnoult


User currently offlineN808NWatMSP From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6054 times:

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 10):
ah Af773, our MSP local expert.

If he's our expert, than MSP might close and all international traffic relocated to DLH.


User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6006 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 14):

And a very boring logo it is. They seemed to use Arial Black font over the standard NWA logo. I know some JH students who could design that...Wonder how much it cost them?

I was actually hoping it would look more like a compass with the arrow facing NW.

My guess is the logo on the Patent Office site is likely a rough draft. Look at any logo on there and you'll see all the images are pretty rough.



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 5945 times:

NWA EMB190 Order (by Favre May 3 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Favre is our MSP expert. What he posts is fact.

Mark


User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 5934 times:

Does anyone know if NW is thinking of replacing mainline service to TUS with the Compass brand. Would this be out of range for the RJ? They normally have one flight a day from MSP; during the winter months often two.

User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 5903 times:

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 22):
Does anyone know if NW is thinking of replacing mainline service to TUS with the Compass brand. Would this be out of range for the RJ?

Based on this http://tinyurl.com/oeomj
and http://www.embraercommercialjets.com/english/content/ejets/emb_195.asp and http://www.embraercommercialjets.com/english/content/ejets/emb_175.asp I think MSP-TUS 1298 mi is within the reach of both E175 (1,800 nm Range) and E195 (2,100 nm Range).



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User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5723 times:

Thanks JANO for the link. From where I work I usually can see the NW silver Airbus landing each morning. Except for AA, WN and F9, all other airlines use mainly RJs for their TUS service.

25 ERJ170 : Don't forget B6! They will be/are using 320.
26 JetBlueGuy2006 : Does anybody know what NW will use for their LAN service? Will it be a mix of Compass and mainline, I would love to see the EMB series in Lansing.
27 Bnamaxx : When will people stop assuming Wikipedia is the only source for knowledge and that it is always accurate? It has been proven wrong time and again on m
28 TVNWZ : I would be surprised. I fly it monthly, year-round, and it is always full. And with the prices they get, it has to be a big money maker. When the loa
29 Cubsrule : Does anyone know where the initial CRJ is coming from? XJ might be a decent guess, but I don't know.
30 COERJ145 : UA has an A319 from PHX(don't see the point of this flight) and IAD(starting oct), AS has their daily 734 from SEA, and HP/US have an A319 from PHX.
31 Post contains links Cazito : http://www.flickr.com/photos/4011903...ives/date-posted/2006/07/calendar/
32 DesertAir : COERJ145 Thanks for the reminders of the other mainline aircraft. The UA flight you mention continues on to IAD. It will be interesting to see if this
33 ATWZW170 : I just can't help thinking that NW is going to replace a lot of it's domestic service with Compass. Cities like GRB/LAN/TVC/BIS/ - smaller cities that
34 Milesrich : The many many threads about what NW plans to replace the DC-9's with has been answered. Compass Airlines, low wages, etc. If Delta dumps Comair, perha
35 Ejmmsu : Compass will have ~35 E170's.. this will simply be an Avro replacement. The E190 will be the DC-9 replacement, and it will be flown at NW mainline. S
36 Cubsrule : Why would cities that support 125 seat 319s or -9s go to 76 seat Compass?
37 Maiznblu_757 : TVC will always have mainline service as long as NW is around. The demand is there, especially in the summer months. They were filling A320's this sum
38 ATWZW170 : Cities like GRB and TVC could be in danger. Are the flights ALWAYS full to these places or are they at 80% LF? If that is the case than a 76 seat plan
39 Nwafflyer : Acidradio is a pretty good source too - don't downplay him for anyone else - he usually knows what's going on, and handles all sorts of small planes w
40 Cubsrule : A lot of these cities have airbii. They'd have -9s if the l/fs weren't so good. NW has always matched capacity and demand well. Plenty of city pairs
41 Ejmmsu : OKC was all avro for about a year.
42 JetBlueGuy2006 : Will Compass launch their own website and get assigned their own codes?
43 Af773atmsp : Mesaba and Pinnacle have their own websites so I would think Compass would.
44 SHUPirate1 : ::raises hand:: Pick me, pick me!
45 Centrair : I can see that. Make NWA the mainline heavy domestic and International. Give Compass the point-point routes and thin but lucrative Hub-point routes.
46 COERJ145 : Compass will probably replace PWM, maybe BGR here in New England. PWM gets a mix of DC9s, and CRJs, while BGR just gets CRJs. If compass has a F/C let
47 Cubsrule : You know, I spent 15 minutes of my life thinking about my statement, and I guess I didn't think hard enough. It was all three hubs, too, wasn't it?
48 Cubsrule : Thinking about where the 76 seaters will go, it will probably work something like this. First, cities like OKC, where much of the ARJ flying was repla
49 TOLtommy : It did come from XJ. My understanding is that N601XJ is sitting at IAD. True, but it was still a mainline station. I haven't heard anything about Com
50 Flyf15 : There is still a lot of debating around NW land as to if Compass will ever get beyond 1 CRJ. This airline is nothing but a negotiating tactic for Mesa
51 TOLtommy : Well XJ is between a rock and a hard place. They can't get DIP financing because its contingent on getting new labor agreement. The company and unions
52 Post contains links Af773atmsp : Mesaba and Pinnacle fly the Saabs. Go on to www.mesaba.com and www.pinnacle.com. I also think Mesaba will not survive since there in bankruptcy.
53 Post contains links and images Af773atmsp : Scratch Pinnacle.com. Try www.pinnacleairlines.com.
54 Af773atmsp : Not pinnacleairlines.com either. I have no idea whats Pinnacle's website name. Doh!
55 Post contains links Flyf15 : http://www.nwairlink.com
56 Post contains images Af773atmsp : Actually just Mesaba has the Saabs. Today is not my day.
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