Af773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2695 posts, RR: 1 Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 8454 times:
Compass Airlines will soon become one of NW's regional carriers. Compass Airlines will have a fleet of 76 seat regional jets. The only destinations I know Compass will fly to is MSP and Washington Dulles. Does anyone else know where Compass will fly to? And what regional jet has 76 seats?
KingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8353 times:
I like the way that James Oberstar described the way NW interacts with XJ, 9E, & Compass. It is so true, although it would be false to believe that this only occurs at NW. I also like how Wade Blaufuss, ALPA spokesman, included that bit about how ALPA "successfully negotiated" a clause into the new NW pilot contract so the furloughed NW pilots got preferrential treatment to take jobs at Compass. Successfully? Yeah right. Do they actually think they are going to get too many? NW tried to recall pilots for the month of October. They had to send out about 6 times as many letters as the amount of pilots they wanted.
Lucky42 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 8188 times:
Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 2): They had to send out about 6 times as many letters as the amount of pilots they wanted.
Yeah but like I said in an earlier thread there are people who will work in this industry for no pay....But the pilots who have the right stuff are now going to UPS and FedEx and are shying away from the pax carriers.
Af773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7740 times:
I doubt there will be a different paint scheme on NW's other regional carrier Compass Airlines. I' ve never seen the regional jets say Mesaba Airlines or Pinnacle Airlines in the new scheme and old scheme. But there will probably be one paint scheme that says Compass Airlines with a compass on it.
Acidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7537 times:
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Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 8): I doubt there will be a different paint scheme on NW's other regional carrier Compass Airlines. I' ve never seen the regional jets say Mesaba Airlines or Pinnacle Airlines in the new scheme and old scheme. But there will probably be one paint scheme that says Compass Airlines with a compass on it.
ah Af773, our MSP local expert. RJ's operated by both Pinnacle AND Mesaba DO exist in both the new and old paintschemes. There are both new and old scheme CRJ's operated by 9E. There are both new and old scheme Avros operated by XJ. There are even new and old scheme Saabs operated by XJ. However, the two CRJ's that were delivered to XJ were delivered in the new paint scheme. And I see them every day at MSP. And I even used to work with all these airplanes, in person!
AirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7521 times:
They say compass will fly 50 seats for now. I really don't get this whole compass thing, why don't they just give the flying to Pinnacle or Mesaba. I think this whole thing was designed just to keep the mainline pilots happy.
Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 8): But there will probably be one paint scheme that says Compass Airlines with a compass on it.
This isn't a spearate airline, it's just an airlink partner. The colors will be the same as pinnacle and Mesaba.
JBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7284 times:
Even though a quick search at the US Patent office will show a logo for Compass that looks like the NWA logo, I believe that Compass will still be operating as Northwest Airlink, meaning the aircraft will be just the same as the ones flown by Mesaba and Pinnacle:
Flightlover From Moldova, joined Mar 2004, 344 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6927 times:
Sometimes the best thing is to do a google search
Look what I read on wikipedia:
"Compass Airlines is a new subsidiary to Northwest Airlines to be launched during the 4th quarter of 2006 flying a single Bombardier CRJ-200 between Minneapolis/St. Paul and Washington Dulles. During the concept phase, the subsidiary was known as "NewCo".
Compass was formed due to a contract dispute between Northwest and its pilot's union. Due to the scope clause in the pilot contracts, the number of mid-sized jets operated by the airline was limited. In order to avert this problem, Northwest bought the operating certificate of defunct Independence Air on March 10, 2006, for $2 Million, in order to establish a new feeder airline. It is speculated that Compass will operate Embraer E-195s, although the Bombardier CRJ-900 is also under consideration. These aircraft will help to replace the aging DC-9s and lower the cost per available seat mile.
While the order and delivery of these aircraft are pending, a single CRJ-200 will remain in service to preserve the airline's operating certificate."
DocChaos From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6340 times:
Semi On Topic...
I have been looking for a set of pictures on the MSP ramp that shows NW looking at the CRJ-705 and the EMB-170/175. I know someone posted a link to flickr or another photo service, and was wondering if anyone has the link...
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6316 times:
Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 11): They say compass will fly 50 seats for now. I really don't get this whole compass thing, why don't they just give the flying to Pinnacle or Mesaba. I think this whole thing was designed just to keep the mainline pilots happy.
Because they bought the operating certificate of I-Air, thus, hey can't give it to Mesaba or pinnacle.
Quoting JBo (Reply 12): I believe that Compass will still be operating as Northwest Airlink,
Yes, it will be a wholly owned subsidary, like Pinnacle used to be.
Quoting Flightlover (Reply 13): It is speculated that Compass will operate Embraer E-195s, although the Bombardier CRJ-900 is also under consideration.
Wikipedia is wrong. Compass can't operate anything larger then the EMB-170 series. The E-190/195 has too many seats and those will in mainline. 76 seats max for airlink carriers. Anything over that must be mainline.
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
TVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2398 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6170 times:
ATW Daily News
Northwest to chart new course with Compass, releases February results
Friday March 31, 2006
Northwest Airlines expects to have its new Regional carrier, now named Compass Airlines, up and running by June, based on a filing with the US Dept. of Transportation asking DOT to transfer Independence Air's operating certificate to Compass. NWA acquired defunct Independence Air's certificate earlier this month.Northwest asked its pilots union last fall for permission to create a wholly owned regional subsidiary under the working name of NewCo that would operate 70-seat regional jets (ATWOnline, Oct. 14, 2005). "To operate at a profit, we must invest in these aircraft and we must do so quickly," President and CEO Doug Steenland told employees in January. "We have a need for these aircraft."
A company spokesperson would not comment on the aircraft selection process, but according to DOT filings and press reports, Northwest is eyeing CRJ900s or Embraer 175s as the choice for the Compass fleet. NWA pilots are in the process of ratifying an agreement that will permit Compass to operate 76-seat RJs using pilots furloughed from the mainline. The Associated Press reported that the new carrier could have as many as 36 jets flying within five years.
Separately, Northwest in its monthly report to the bankruptcy court said it lost $496 million in the month of February, including $431 million in Chapter 11 reorganization-related expenses. Excluding the impact of special charges, the carrier's loss was $65 million. Comparisons with the year-ago period were not provided, but NWA lost $458 million in the first three months of 2005, or $440 million excluding special charges, an average of $147 million per month.
February 2006 operating revenues totaled $889 million while expenses reached $919 million, resulting in an operating loss of $30 million. Labor costs totaled $215 million and fuel expense was $238 million. Of the $431 million in bankruptcy-related charges, $400 million was related to restructured aircraft lease/debt charges and $25 million from aircraft rejection charges.
NWA is trying to cut $2.2 billion in total expenses from its annual budget through its bankruptcy restructuring while reducing debt and lease obligations by $4.2-$4.4 billion.
DesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 5934 times:
Does anyone know if NW is thinking of replacing mainline service to TUS with the Compass brand. Would this be out of range for the RJ? They normally have one flight a day from MSP; during the winter months often two.