Albird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3492 times:
I have to say there isnt really a problem with the F class of LH but i think there next change in cabin comfort will be in Y with the addition of PTV IFE in the seats as they must be one of the only big carriers now not to offer this!!
Also whats wrong with the idea of "if it aint broke... then why fix it?"
Ecuatoriana707 From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 33 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3172 times:
Quoting TS (Reply 10): Exactly, it makes lots of sense, & I was actually wondering why so many airlines have their F class in the lower deck. Maybe because it's closer to the exits--you can deboard faster.
I used to think the same but had a chance to fly LH F about 4 years ago, FRA-SIN. I find the nose of the 747 was much better for F for 2 reasons: It's much more private, it's amazing how many crew walk back and forward to the cockpit along the upper deck; and yes when we arrived in SIN, the location of the stairs meant you waited for business class to clear before you could exit.
Travelling in the forward cabin of a 747 in a first class layout like BA,QF, SIA, new Thai etc is really great. On daytime flights the views can be panaromic as the cabin narrows at the front. And if you're in the 1st or 2nd row, hardly anyone will walk past to disturb you. And when you arrive, assuming the jetbridge is at 1L then you are straight off.
Agree, and add a third reason: I personally find the top deck of the 744 a bit claustrophobic. The lavs felt quite a bit smaller than the ones on the main deck, too. I'm comparing BA (Club World up there, I guess) and Virgin Upper Class -- whatever equipment both airlines operate on LHR-SFO.
BTW, I personally prefer VS's second cabin in Upper Class, even though that one can be a bit louder. I don't like to sit forward of the front gear for some reason -- the turns while taxiing feel *really* weird.
JJeff From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 131 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2280 times:
My feeling: upper deck is better. Have done LH first on 744 LAX-FRA and return and several segments on UA 744 both in business (upstairs) and first (nose). Upstairs is preferable. Differences in aisle traffic are imperceptible. Views are better upstairs. (And the LH upstairs bathroom has a nice window which makes the experience all the better.)
Ecuatoriana707 From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 33 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2170 times:
Quoting JJeff (Reply 14): Views are better upstairs. (And the LH upstairs bathroom has a nice window which makes the experience all the better.)
But don't you find that the windows on upper deck are slightly lower than shoulder height when you are seated (unlike the main deck), meaning you have to strain down to see out while on the ground? (making plane spotting at airports a little harder!)
Don't get me wrong - I love the upper deck on 747- but the nose area is so much more exclusive feeling.
You need to try the QF or SIA F lavs downstairs. They are the largest in the business, and have windows which defrost when you lock the door. Also QF have these trendy porcelin wash bowls and mosiac tiles.
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 65 Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2037 times:
I've had scores of flights in F on B747s with AF, LH, OZ, SQ, and UA. My preference among them is SQ, then AF, then LH, then OZ, then UA, so the location of the F cabin is not paramount for me. I have a slight preference for the nose, but both are good locations.
AT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 863 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1919 times:
I too prefer the nose to the upper deck- it's more private, and less claustrophobic.
But here's another reason I think airlines have F in the nose rather than upper deck. Space. Airlines typically have only 10-15 First class seats, which fill up the cabin in the nose area very well. If F were on the upper deck, there would be lots of wasted space, or it would have to be coupled with business class, which would remove some of the exclusiveness....
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26698 posts, RR: 83 Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1892 times:
Quoting Ecuatoriana707 (Reply 16): But don't you find that the windows on upper deck are slightly lower than shoulder height when you are seated (unlike the main deck), meaning you have to strain down to see out while on the ground? (making plane spotting at airports a little harder!)
Yes, during ground ops you really need to crane your neck since the windows slope downwards a bit. When in flight, however, it makes it very easy to see what's going on down below you.
I personally find the nose claustrophobic. I've flown NH and UA F on the 777 and the 747 and I prefer the 777 because in the 747, the suites are so large it narrows the aisles and makes it difficult to move around. I prefer the wider aisles of the 777.