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MH To Moscow? Maybe Not.  
User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2107 posts, RR: 18
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 2892 times:

Russia keen on direct MH flights to Moscow

ST PETERSBURG: Russia wants Malaysia Airlines to introduce direct flights from Malaysia to its capital.

Tourism Minister Datuk Seri Tengku Adnan Tengku Mansor said foreign airlines, while keen to expand to Malaysia, wanted to know what plans MH had in terms of flying to their home countries.

“I explained that MH is short of aircraft and is presently involved in route rationalisation,” he said, adding that he had assured the airlines and tour operators that all these problems would be resolved soon.

Presently there are 14 flights weekly between KUL and Moscow, operated by SQ, TG, EK and QR.

The minister was here and in Moscow on a five-day visit, which ended yesterday, to promote Visit Malaysia Year 2007.

Tengku Adnan said Aeroflot, which stopped flights to Malaysia 10 years ago would be flying direct to KUL from Moscow beginning next year.

“And Finnair plans to have flights between St Petersburg to Helsinki before flying to KUL,” he said yesterday.

These moves, he added, would enable the country to achieve its target of bringing in 40,000 Russian visitors next year.


Still, can it be materialised (later if not sooner)? Based on MH's present condition where more routes are being axed rather than being added, maybe it won't. But considering ARN which was added to MH's network through the same channel, it may be realised. Also, we have to take into consideration the Malaysian government who has the absolute say on whether it is a 'Go or No' for MH, as evidenced by the elusive EZE in MH's network, among other. Competitor's wise, SQ serves Moscow via DXB while the news proposed a direct flight. Will MH survives if it operates direct KUL-Moscow? Aeroflot will be flying to KUL next year, maybe MH would have a code share agreement? Another point, Aeroflot is a SkyTeam member, an alliance MH is eyeing to join. A tie with Aeroflot may help in MH's entrant into the alliance. Or should MH just treats Moscow as a seasonal route to cater for tourists on specific months, just like MH does for Bahrain and Kuwait.

Any opinion?

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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4496 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 2879 times:

The Malaysian tourism minister seems to have been watching the delusional channel one too many times lately...

Quoting 9MMAR (Thread starter):
Tourism Minister Datuk Seri Tengku Adnan Tengku Mansor said foreign airlines, while keen to expand to Malaysia, wanted to know what plans MH had in terms of flying to their home countries.

I didn't know foreign airlines were so keen to expand into Malaysia. As a matter of fact, one more will be leaving - Austrian - whilst one more will be joining - Finnair - but that doesn't exactly represent a stampede of airlines wishing to expand into Malaysia. KLIA would very much like them to do so, and has still pretty impressive incentive packages in place for new entrants into KUL, but the fact remains that it has still not succeeded in convincing the likes of British Airways, SAA or any US carrier to put in an appearance.

Quoting 9MMAR (Thread starter):
“I explained that MH is short of aircraft and is presently involved in route rationalisation,” he said, adding that he had assured the airlines and tour operators that all these problems would be resolved soon.

MH is short of aircraft? Since when? They are reducing their fleet with a couple of B744s and A332s reportedly leaving the fleet, not necessarily a move an airline which is acutely short of aircraft would take.

Quoting 9MMAR (Thread starter):
Tengku Adnan said Aeroflot, which stopped flights to Malaysia 10 years ago would be flying direct to KUL from Moscow beginning next year.

While I have no information about a possible return of Aeroflot to Malaysia, I would be very surprised if it were to happen. SU has only recently ended its Singapore operations and Bangkok offerings have been reduced to just thrice weekly, so there hasn't exactly been a keen interest in the South East Asia region on behalf of Aeroflot. The only way then why SU would possible consider adding KUL to its network is because of the anticipated entrance of MH in the Skyteam Alliance, of which SU is a member.


User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 2999 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 1):
While I have no information about a possible return of Aeroflot to Malaysia, I would be very surprised if it were to happen. SU has only recently ended its Singapore operations and Bangkok offerings have been reduced to just thrice weekly, so there hasn't exactly been a keen interest in the South East Asia region on behalf of Aeroflot. The only way then why SU would possible consider adding KUL to its network is because of the anticipated entrance of MH in the Skyteam Alliance, of which SU is a member.

The reason that SU flies to Bangkok 3 times weekly is because the summer season has ended. Both Turkey and Thailand are perhaps the two top countries Russians fly to for vacations. Thailand has seen a huge number of Russian tourists in the past few years. I have no doubt that SU will fly to Bangkok more often as the next summer season kicks in. Aeroflot is indeed interested in Asian expansion. The Russian economy is growing, and more and more business is done with the Asian continent. SU has seen a tremendous growth on it's Asia routes. Japan and China are doing better than ever, with Tokyo being Aeroflot's premier route system-wide. KUL is also a major economic region. It is in the best interest of Russia, and thus Aeroflot, to cooperate with that region. Even though, direct flights are good, non-stops are obviously more convenient for pax. With Malaysia 2007 being promoted all over teh city, a growth of tourism is also expected.

Aeroflot777

[Edited 2006-09-16 19:29:27]

User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2107 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2613 times:

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 2):
With Malaysia 2007 being promoted all over the city, a growth of tourism is also expected.

I am the glad the campaign went well. Malaysia and Russia have a healthy relationship, especially in the medical and aerospace industries (more Malaysian students are sent to Russia to pursue medical degree while the first Malaysian astronoult will be launced to the space using Russia's facilities next year. Currently two finalists are undergoing training in Russia). The present statistic shows about 7,000 or so Russian tourists visited Malaysia this year. We are aiming for 40,000 Russian tourists during VMY2007. Any idea on the termination of SIN in SU's network?


User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2208 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Thread starter):
Presently there are 14 flights weekly between KUL and Moscow, operated by SQ, TG, EK and QR.

Strange wording. If you can say that SQ and TG offer so-and-so many flights between KUL and MOW, why not include other carriers like LH, KE and JL into the number of flights "between KUL and Moscow"?

Quoting 9MMAR (Thread starter):
“And Finnair plans to have flights between St Petersburg to Helsinki before flying to KUL,” he said yesterday.

Finnair has operated flights between HEL-LED for many years. They do not have any "plans" of starting flights to LED.

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 2):
The reason that SU flies to Bangkok 3 times weekly is because the summer season has ended. Both Turkey and Thailand are perhaps the two top countries Russians fly to for vacations. Thailand has seen a huge number of Russian tourists in the past few years. I have no doubt that SU will fly to Bangkok more often as the next summer season kicks in.

SU actually has more flights to BKK in the winter. E.g. a simple Amadeus search shows that SU will have eight weekly flights during the week that starts on Friday, February 16, 2007.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

With respect to the press release, there is more that I DONT understand than what I do understand......all I can think of is "lost in the translation." If Russia wants a direct link to KUL, why isnt a Russian carrier flying the route? And is MH, with its problems, in any position to consider a new route from KUL to Moscow?

User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 2999 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2465 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):
With respect to the press release, there is more that I DONT understand than what I do understand.....

To tell you the truth, I completely agree with you on that one.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):
If Russia wants a direct link to KUL, why isnt a Russian carrier flying the route? And is MH, with its problems, in any position to consider a new route from KUL to Moscow?

Aeroflot, which is the nations "international" carrier, does not have the planes to operate that route at the moment. With new a/c coming in in the future, I am 100% sure KUL will be added to the list. MH, even with problems, should be considering the flights. With Visit Malaysia 2007, I am not doubting that Malaysia will reach its goal for tourism. The route has a lot of potential. Aeroflot would be there if they had teh resources, but unfortunately they don't. So it really is in MH's interest. Plus it will help with SkyTeam. Since SU is a member, cooperation is a good thing.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4496 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 6):
MH, even with problems, should be considering the flights.

However, MH currently has quite some other fish to fry, and they can do very well without opening yet another station for just a handful of weekly flights. Vienna and Manchester have just been closed, and Cairo, with 2 weekly frequencies, and Stockholm and Newark, with 3 combined frequencies, are next to get the axe. MH is in no position to open new longhaul stations and should concentrate instead on reinforcing core international destinations.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24710 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Agree with HB-IWC.

With all the problems MH has these days, the last thing it needs to do is launch services to new destinations particularly one that is unproven.

MH needs to sort its affairs out and rationalize its domestic and international network before venturing into new ones.



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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 2999 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 8):
Agree with HB-IWC.

With all the problems MH has these days, the last thing it needs to do is launch services to new destinations particularly one that is unproven.

I agree that they should not be thinking about doing it now. But in the near future, if they truly want Visit Malaysia 2007 to succeed, which they REALLY want apparently, they need to figure out a solution. The thing is, Visit Malaysia is more in Malaysia's best interest not Russia's. Malaysia is the country trying to promote it's tourism for Russians. Also, as I've mentioned before, it would also be a SkyTeam move. It will get them closer with the alliance.

Aeroflot777


User currently offline777MAS From Malaysia, joined Sep 2003, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Thread starter):
Russia wants Malaysia Airlines to introduce direct flights from Malaysia to its capital.

Tourism Minister Datuk Seri Tengku Adnan Tengku Mansor said foreign airlines, while keen to expand to Malaysia, wanted to know what plans MH had in terms of flying to their home countries.

If I were an airline that's keen to expand to Malaysia, I'd sure hope MH doesn't ever "expand" to my own country, competition is NOT GOOD from my bottom line's point of view.

If that desire was expressed by the Minister's Russian counterpart, then I'd dismiss it as the kind of "small talk" that ministers would make amongst themselves when they meet, they are merely "ideas" of how to improve bilateral ties, etc. etc. (what else is there to talk about??) but the actual implementation would, in this case, be carried out by airlines that have to balance their desire for "improved bilateral ties" and making money. No siree, I don't see MH flying to SVO any time soon, unless it's by way of codeshare. That might be interesting, maybe for the first time, a MH-coded flight might be operated using Ilyushin 96......

Quoting 9MMAR (Thread starter):
“And Finnair plans to have flights between St Petersburg to Helsinki before flying to KUL,” he said yesterday.

I do not think Finnair will want to do that just for the sake of getting feed into its flights to KUL - come on, they have cities all over Europe from which they can get such "feed". I'm don't think Finnair thinks a SVO-Helsinki-KUL route is going to form an "important backbone" to its overall network in the future. Finnair ISN'T GOING TO do Malaysia any favours (and rightly so, too - I say this as a Malaysian  Embarrassment), but the Minister seems to imply that is going to be the case!!!! I wonder whether the Minister knows what he's talking about, but then, knowing Malaysian politicians, blah blah blah


User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2107 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2292 times:

Clearly, the minister just speak words that he didn't even understand and the journalist who covered the news simply publish everything that he said. Both must be non-aviation fan and just didn't care to do a little bit of research.

I am thinking we should just regard the outcome of this news, on MH's side, the most, is a seasonal service to cater for tourists on specific months, just like it does for Bahrain and Kuwait, as I suggested in the thread starter.


User currently offlineDigitalone From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2064 times:

MH is probably not in a position to introduce a new service on its rationalisation plan. Rather than add and explore unknown territories, it would make more sense increase services that are known to them to be profitable and high in demand, or withdraw services which are bleeding red ink for some time. Afterall, will there be enough premium traffic to justify operating KULMOW since there are already a handful of options with new ones anticipated.

On a seperate note, I noticed that KUL-ARN-EWR will be withdrawn from 15Jan07. As such, there would be a spare 777-200. Is this official yet? It'll be sad for MH, but if it is not working for them, then it is not.

Sorry if it has already been posted and discussed.


User currently offlineMAS777 From United Kingdom, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

I think although KUL-ARN-EWR is officially suspended from 15 Jan, the KUL-ARN route may be retained. Agents in Sweden seem confident in thinking that MAS may retain this station and MAS is yet to issue an official statement (about Stockholm).

User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3971 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

Yes still no official word on ARNs fate.
But just been talking to a MH guy at ARN and he wonders if MH might operate KUL-ARN-MOW. It is just over an hour ARN-MOW so could operate as a return shuttle from ARN.


User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2107 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

Quoting MAS777 (Reply 13):
MAS is yet to issue an official statement (about Stockholm)

And EWR and CAI too. Surprisingly for CAI, they are going to end the service on 28 October but yet, still no official statement over the suspension/termination of service.


User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1775 times:

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 14):
It is just over an hour ARN-MOW so could operate as a return shuttle from ARN.

ARN-SVO is 2+ h. It could only work KUL-SVO-ARN-SVO-KUL, not the other way around.



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