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Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)  
User currently offlineMarcus380 From France, joined Feb 2006, 146 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5711 times:

Hello,

I was last thursday at CDG when I saw this Aerolinas Argentinas clean 737/500
last thursday...very strange...I remembered the topic saying that
60% of their plane where grounded.
Was is at CDG for maintenance ?

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User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5705 times:

Most likely it is an ex AF bird going to AR. Correct me when I'm wrong.

User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 574 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5687 times:

Aerolíneas Argentinas flies daily from Madrid to Paris CDG using B735. They are used as feeder for their MAD-EZE flights, but you can just fly the route CDG-MAD without going to Argentina.

AR also flies MAD-LGW daily with a B735.


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6716 posts, RR: 77
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5679 times:

It's LV-BBN, based at MAD in June 2006 for feeding AR's longhaul flights. Btw - it's ex-AF (F-GJNX), delivered to AR in June 2005.


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5644 times:

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 1):
Aerolíneas Argentinas flies daily from Madrid to Paris CDG using B735. They are used as feeder for their MAD-EZE flights, but you can just fly the route CDG-MAD without going to Argentina.

AR also flies MAD-LGW daily with a B735.

Yes, correct.....these unusual feeder flights were flown by an MD80 for several years before the 735 was introduced.


User currently offlineMarcus380 From France, joined Feb 2006, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5624 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):
It's LV-BBN, based at MAD in June 2006 for feeding AR's longhaul flights. Btw - it's ex-AF (F-GJNX), delivered to AR in June 2005.

Thanks for the Info plane hunter...
Strange system, to feed; AR has no alliance to permit other companies to do this ?
Yes logical to use a recently AF 737/500
I thonk AF has 9 or 7 left.

regards


User currently offlineArgentina From Argentina, joined Aug 2000, 374 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5439 times:

The aircraft is coming back to Buenos Aires at the end of September. MD88's will do that work again. It's a codeshare flight with Air Plus Comet (MAD-CDG and MAD-LGW).

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5362 times:

Quoting Marcus380 (Reply 5):
Strange system, to feed

Not unheard of though. IB did the same thing until 2004 for their Central American flights. They had DC-9s, MD-80s and last A319s based down here for feeder flights in and out of their MIA hub, which was shut down due to the US's Visa Requirements. Maybe when AR gets those A332, there could be the possibility of them starting nonstop EZE-CDG service.


User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5263 times:

First, that news about AR 60% of the fleet grounded, is wrong.
Second, Aerolineas operates ( since 3/4 years ago) MAD-CDG and MAD-LGW, first with an MD88 and now with a 735.

with the huge database of A.Net and all the threads, people should be better informed.
And if you saw an AR 735 from Ar at CDG, you can go to the photo base and check. that easy!


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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8942 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5209 times:

Why doesn't AR operate newer norrowbody aircraft? Newer models would do them much good, be it Boeing, Airbus or Embraer. The E-jets are perfect for replacing those -500s. . . I wonder if AR could buy Embraer's without import tax due to Mersosul?

Edit: random question, but did the ARG government indeed buy back Marsan's share or not? Are they still talking about it? Haven't heard anything new about it. Thanks for any info.

Cheers

[Edited 2006-09-16 22:40:24]


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5165 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 9):
Why doesn't AR operate newer norrowbody aircraft? Newer models would do them much good, be it Boeing, Airbus or Embraer. The E-jets are perfect for replacing those -500s. . . I wonder if AR could buy Embraer's without import tax due to Mersosul?

Edit: random question, but did the ARG government indeed buy back Marsan's share or not? Are they still talking about it? Haven't heard anything new about it. Thanks for any info.

Cheers

[Edited 2006-09-16 22:40:24]

Its a money issue......lets be grateful that AR is finally replacing its ancient 732s with 735s, its a big step in the right direction. AR is not in the position to go on a shopping spree for new airplanes.....although there are reports that AR will upgrade its longhaul fleet with some new A330s.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5008 times:

Not sure when AR will get their A332s , they will reopen a direct EZE-CDG , since the load factor is not so high for them.In fact less than 100 passengers a flight.
Passengers travel aboard AFR 777s (which are always full) on the EZE-CDG route.
They have to improve the quality of the service , and to low prices to attract more passengers on this market.Can the A332 will help for this purpose ?


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7403 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4984 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 11):
Not sure when AR will get their A332s , they will reopen a direct EZE-CDG

I doubt the A332 could fly nonstop CDG-EZE ...


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4894 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 12):
I doubt the A332 could fly nonstop CDG-EZE ...

I admit that at 5980 nm still air distance between EZE and CDG, an A332 would be tight in its range, but then again, it can be just a direct flight (flight with stopover but no change of aircraft), not a nonstop flight.


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4861 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 9):
The E-jets are perfect for replacing those -500s

But the 500's are new, they are the replacement, so don't expect these to be replaced any time soon

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 9):
random question, but did the ARG government indeed buy back Marsan's share or not?

AFAIK what they agreed is that the Government can officially have a 20% of the shares, although I'm not sure if they have already bought the whole 20% back.


Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):
although there are reports that AR will upgrade its longhaul fleet with some new A330s.

Apparently Marsans will buy 12 330's of which 10 would go to AR, but with Marsans you never know.

saludos  Smile



Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineLanas From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 978 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4759 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 11):
they will reopen a direct EZE-CDG

I don´t think there´s not enough demand for such a route, competing with AF. There are better destinations for AR to expand, I believe.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 9):
The E-jets are perfect for replacing those -500s

Not for replacement, I´m afraid. It´s another market segment. They would surely be useful on very short routes where a 737 is just too big.
Anyway, the 737-500s is a nice fleet to have instead of the -200s. I hope we see more coming.

Cheers!
Lanas.-



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User currently offlineMarcus380 From France, joined Feb 2006, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4658 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 12):
doubt the A332 could fly nonstop CDG-EZE ...

The A332 can flight CDG-EZE directly, it is the flight sample on Airbus.com:

http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfam...a330a340/a330-200/performance.html

click on "Paris"

Quoting Lanas (Reply 15):
I don´t think there´s not enough demand for such a route, competing with AF. There are better destinations for AR to expand, I believe

Not so sure, the AF CDG-EZE flight are always crowded
and it conitnues to Santiago, so, maybe the is space for AR to fly to CDG
3 or 4 times weekly.


User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4424 times:

Quoting Marcus380 (Reply 16):
Not so sure, the AF CDG-EZE flight are always crowded
and it conitnues to Santiago, so, maybe the is space for AR to fly to CDG
3 or 4 times weekly.



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 12):
I doubt the A332 could fly nonstop CDG-EZE ...

I also doubt it; maybe in range, but remember the winds in the southbound flight

Regards )(



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7403 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4300 times:

Quoting Marcus380 (Reply 16):
The A332 can flight CDG-EZE directly, it is the flight sample on Airbus.com

Figures on a paper ...it always works.
The A332 is one of the best aircraft around, but it would hardly make it without restrictions on CDG-EZE.

The World's longest regular flights for an A332 is operated by AF on CDG-NRT (5256nm) and CDG-HKG (5187nm) and the plane, when full, is already at its limit on those lines, and CDG-EZE is 5980nm which is another 700nm further ...

But the A332 would be just perfect for AR on the EZE-MIA or EZE-JFK routes ...

Quoting Marcus380 (Reply 16):
Not so sure, the AF CDG-EZE flight are always crowded
and it conitnues to Santiago,

Not anymore. Starting October 29th, AF will keep a DAILY CDG-EZE-CDG (AF418/AF415) but all flights will terminate at EZE, which represents quite a big increase in the seat offered weekly on this line.
SCL will be served also NONSTOP from CDG(AF406/AF401), separetly from EZE, with 5 x Weekly flights.

[Edited 2006-09-24 12:13:09]

User currently offlineSK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4289 times:
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Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 2):
Aerolíneas Argentinas flies daily from Madrid to Paris CDG using B735. They are used as feeder for their MAD-EZE flights, but you can just fly the route CDG-MAD without going to Argentina.

AR also flies MAD-LGW daily with a B735.

Apparently you can't book the MAD/CDG or MAD/LGW sectors online from 1st October - it has to be done through the call centre. Anyone know why?


User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4222 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 18):
SCL will be served also NONSTOP from CDG(AF406/AF401), separetly from EZE, with 5 x Weekly flights.

Why AF keeps 777s instead of 340s to EZE-SCL?

Any chance we'll see you in Chile?



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User currently onlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3146 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4213 times:

Quoting Arcano (Reply 20):
Why AF keeps 777s instead of 340s to EZE-SCL?

Payload/Cargo capacity.

Cheers! wave 
Gastón - The MD11junkie



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User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 574 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4123 times:

Quoting SK736 (Reply 19):
Apparently you can't book the MAD/CDG or MAD/LGW sectors online from 1st October - it has to be done through the call centre. Anyone know why?

Of course you can book those sectors. The only difference is that it won't be an AR flight anymore, it will be an Air Plus codeshared flight using a MD88:

Quoting Argentina (Reply 6):
The aircraft is coming back to Buenos Aires at the end of September. MD88's will do that work again. It's a codeshare flight with Air Plus Comet (MAD-CDG and MAD-LGW).


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7403 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

Quoting Arcano (Reply 20):
Why AF keeps 777s instead of 340s to EZE-SCL?

The A340 on CDG-EZE-SCL was briefly used by AF quite a long time ago ... In the early 90s with A342 if I remember correctly when flights became nonstop on CDG-EZE.


Then the flights were operated by B744 Combi (most of the time) and EZE was one of the first destinations to see the AF's B772ER, the second in South America after GRU, in 1999.

As MD11Junkie said, it is first a question of playload and freight capacity.
Then, the B777 offers a First Class (the A343 doesn't) and more seats in Business Class.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 20):
Any chance we'll see you in Chile?

BIG chances I come to SCL during the winter ... if I can get a flight  Wink


User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 24):
The A340 on CDG-EZE-SCL was briefly used by AF quite a long time ago ... In the early 90s with A342 if I remember correctly when flights became nonstop on CDG-EZE.

Indeed, I remember to see 342 in SCL in 1993... htey even got a model over the counter. At that time I wasn't aware of it, and I kept wonder a long time what aircraft was that one with four engines and a single deck. I kept repeating me: "it can't be a 707"...
At that time, Internet wasn't that available to clear things to me, I guess...

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 24):
BIG chances I come to SCL during the winter ... if I can get a flight

Let me know if you come here to show you around...

Regards )(



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25 SK736 : Read my reply again. I didn't say you couldn't book them I said you couldn't book them ONLINE after the 1st October.
26 Lanas : Aerolineas' 737-500 LV-BBN will return to Argentina in the beginning of October. What aircraft will operate the LGW and CDG routes? Or worse, will the
27 Post contains images MD11junkie : Yes, they will. They will be operated by the MD88s that AR/AU still have in Spain. Cheers! Gastón - The MD11junkie
28 Lanas : But they´re with Air Plus now, I believe. Will they be registered back as Argentine aircraft? Cheers! Lanas.-
29 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : There's a Concorde taking off in the back?!? or is just a static display.. Aerolineas Argentinas has the ugliest colors around. I didn't know AR was b
30 Post contains images MD11junkie : Leased to, I believe. I don't know about the reggos. Static display. The 'hommage' to the Concorde. Thank you very much for saying my flag is ugly (n
31 Lanas : Former LV-VCB and LV-VGB are flying for Air Plus Comet as EC-JKC and EC-JOI, respectively. They´ll be back in AR by the end of the year or beginning
32 CODCAIAH : Oh, come on! Their planes are beautiful. Very clean, strong blue and white. What's not to like?!
33 MIAMIx707 : No che.. I actually like your flag, in fact if the flag was on the tail (sorta like on the argentinian govt. 757 the scheme would look way nicer. I h
34 Post contains images FlySSC : Air France's F-BVFF :
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