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User currently offlineAirNewZealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2545 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8667 times:

Hey guys dont know if these have been reported yet or not...

NEW APPROACH TO CAIRNS Qantas' B737-800 services into and out of Cairns are set to become more fuel-efficient, when proving flights utilising Required Navigation Performance (RNP) technology are completed tomorrow. The B737-800 fleet uses GPS navigation, incorporated with the aircraft’s onboard avionics, for navigation precision. As a result, more accurate approach and departure procedures and flight paths can be designed than is possible using conventional ground-based navigation aids. Later this month, the change in approach and departure procedures will lead to more reliable and predictable flight paths, time and fuel savings, shorter route distances, reduced aircraft emissions and reduced aircraft noise. The Civil Aviation Safety Authority has also given Qantas approval to also operate RNP flights in Sydney and Canberra. Gold Coast, Townsville, Hobart, Ayers Rock/Uluru and Alice Springs will also follow later this month. Qantas operates 47 B737-800 services into and out of Cairns each week.


SEASONAL SERVICES TO KOREA Qantas will operate seasonal services between Australia and Korea from 2 January to 28 January 2007 to meet demand during the traditional New Year peak period from Korea. The 12 return services between Sydney and Seoul will operate on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays each week, using two-class Boeing 767-300 aircraft. The services will operate alongside Qantas' existing daily Asiana Airlines codeshare services between Sydney and Seoul.



oneworld AIRLINES MEET IN CHINA oneworld Airlines operating to China met last week to discuss co-location opportunities at the new terminals in Beijing and Shanghai when they open in late 2007. Mr Ken Gilbert, Vice President Customer experience and Airports from the oneworld Management Group chaired meetings with the Beijing and Shanghai Airport Authorities. The meetings highlighted the oneworld desire to provide a premium customer experience, particularly in the lounges in the new terminals. The airlines also took the opportunity to tour the new Beijing terminal, which is enormous and covers approximately one million square metres of airport land. Representatives from Qantas, American Airlines, British Airways, Finnair and JAL were at the meetings.


E-TICKETS ON SINGAPORE AIRLINES AND SILK AIR Qantas, Singapore Airlines and Silk Air can now issue electronic tickets for each other's flights between Australia and Singapore, with connections to Singapore's and Silk Air's worldwide and Asian network instead of paper tickets. Singapore Airlines and Silk Air take the number of Interline E-Ticketing agreements to 21 carriers. Interline E-Tickets allow customers to travel with the convenience of a single electronic ticket throughout the combined carrier itinerary.

INCREASED CAPACITY PERTH TO PORT HEDLAND QantasLink has announced an increased capacity each week between Perth and Port Hedland. The new services, which will operate from 11 September 2006, bring the total number of services each week to 38. The new service will see QantasLink operate three return flights per day on weekdays using B717 aircraft. Weekday flights depart Perth at 10am, arriving in Port Hedland at 12.05pm, then depart at 12.40pm, arriving in Perth at 12.45pm.

EXTRA SERVICES ADELAIDE TO PERTH Qantas has added an extra four return services each week between Adelaide and Perth. The services, which operate from 29 October 2006 will take the number of services between the two cities to 31 per week. Qantas will add a 2.15pm departure from Adelaide on Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays using Boeing 737 aircraft. The service will arrive in Perth at 3.05pm, then depart at 3.50pm, arriving in Adelaide at 9.10pm.


JETSTAR ASIA MOVE TO NEW AIRPORT Jetstar Asia’s passengers will be the first to experience Bangkok’s new International Airport. Jetstar Asia will move to Bangkok’s brand new Suvarnabhumi Airport on 15 September 2006, being the first scheduled international airline to begin full operations at the new state-of-the-art airport. All other carriers will begin operations by 28 September 2006. Jetstar Asia is working closely with Airports of Thailand to ensure the transition is as smooth as possible. Travelling time and cost of travel between the city and Suvarnabhumi Airport are comparable to the current Don Muang Airport. Public buses are readily available from the Suvarnabhumi Airport to major locations in the city. Taxis are also conveniently stationed outside the terminal building. Shuttle buses between the airport and the public bus terminals will be provided free of charge, and a shuttle bus linking the two airports will be available at a small charge.


Hope that shares an insight into whats happening within the airline!
Cheers

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User currently offlineVHXLR8 From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 500 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8523 times:

Seoul sounds cool!! Wouldn't mind doing on of those flights, might see you onbaord Airnewzealand  Smile

It would be great if it were extended beyond a month's charter; and see QF return to Seoul on a scheduled basis.


User currently offlineJasond From Australia, joined Jul 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8450 times:

Quoting AirNewZealand (Thread starter):
The B737-800 fleet uses GPS navigation, incorporated with the aircraft’s onboard avionics, for navigation precision. As a result, more accurate approach and departure procedures and flight paths can be designed than is possible using conventional ground-based navigation aids

What this means is the end of flying a traditional procedure involving a 'historical' beacon effectivily replacing it with a virtual waypoint (not in the same position) in the new navigation system thereby optimising the flight path. Thats my read of it anyway. This sounds like a very significant development in how aircraft are operated when departing and arriving from airports. Anyone else doing this around the world?


User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8388 times:

Quoting Jasond (Reply 2):
Quoting AirNewZealand (Thread starter):
The B737-800 fleet uses GPS navigation, incorporated with the aircraft’s onboard avionics, for navigation precision. As a result, more accurate approach and departure procedures and flight paths can be designed than is possible using conventional ground-based navigation aids

What this means is the end of flying a traditional procedure involving a 'historical' beacon effectivily replacing it with a virtual waypoint (not in the same position) in the new navigation system thereby optimising the flight path. Thats my read of it anyway. This sounds like a very significant development in how aircraft are operated when departing and arriving from airports. Anyone else doing this around the world?

Believe WestJet in Canada have been doing this for ~1 year now on their 737NGs for selected airports, slowly expanding the list. I think Kelowna (YLW) was the initial trial location.



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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8371 times:

Quoting AirNewZealand (Thread starter):
SEASONAL SERVICES TO KOREA

Wow I thought QF would never enter Korea. Nonetheless it is good to see they are starting new services

Quoting AirNewZealand (Thread starter):
EXTRA SERVICES ADELAIDE TO PERTH

This should have come earlier IMO especially with the football finals on

Quoting VHXLR8 (Reply 1):
It would be great if it were extended beyond a month's charter; and see QF return to Seoul on a scheduled basis.

Yes it would be great another Asian city in QF network

Good see QF increasing and Starting new services


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8276 times:

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 3):
Anyone else doing this around the world?

I think this is being installed or used in Queenstown for A320's and I believe it is what is being proposed?? for AKL ?


User currently offline9VSRH From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 132 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8200 times:

Quoting Jasond (Reply 2):
What this means is the end of flying a traditional procedure involving a 'historical' beacon

Flying via VORs and NDBs will not be phased out in the near future as the a lot of other aircraft are not RNP approved, so it would not make sense to make special airways without navaids for RNP approved aircraft.

All RNP means is that there is a higher accuracy with regard to navigation. It allows the aircraft to fly RNAV approaches and fly RNAV departures.
Cheers


User currently offline9VSRH From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 132 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8119 times:

Sorry I forgot to add to this...

Quoting Jasond (Reply 2):
Anyone else doing this around the world?

Just off the top of my head all CX are RNP approved, all SQ are RNP approved, all EK are RNP approved, majority of BA's fleet is approved (if not all).

QF is quite late in its approving of aircraft for RNP in comparison to other international carriers.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4867 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4984 times:

Quoting Jasond (Reply 2):
What this means is the end of flying a traditional procedure involving a 'historical' beacon effectivily replacing it with a virtual waypoint (not in the same position) in the new navigation system thereby optimising the flight path. Thats my read of it anyway. This sounds like a very significant development in how aircraft are operated when departing and arriving from airports. Anyone else doing this around the world?

NZ is doing RNP into ZQN using 737 and A320 aircraft. They have also been looking at other places to use it including WLG. If SYD, MEL and other places in Australia are implementing RNP then I wouldn't be surprised if NZ gets in on that there too.

[Edited 2006-09-17 03:03:54]


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User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4941 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 8):



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 8):

NZ is doing RNP into ZQN and WLG using 737 and A320 aircraft.

When is WLG going to be operative? Is this the system being proposed/installed
at AKL?


User currently offlineJoffie From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 821 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4783 times:

Quoting AirNewZealand (Thread starter):
Jetstar Asia will move to Bangkok’s brand new Suvarnabhumi Airport on 15 September 2006, being the first scheduled international airline to begin full operations at the new state-of-the-art airport. All other carriers will begin operations by 28 September 2006

I thought the airport is still testing. Today is September 17. Has JQasia moved to the new airport already???


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4867 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4641 times:

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 9):
When is WLG going to be operative? Is this the system being proposed/installed
at AKL?

Not sure about WLG...but basically WLG isn't suitable for higher cat ILS so the best it can do is RNP.
AKL is getting a Cat III ILS next yearish not sure if it will be IIIa/b/c... tho would make sense to be cat IIIb tho "autoland"  Wink yeah
so RNP won't be required... then again theres nothing to stop it in theory....



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9245 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4487 times:

Quoting 9VSRH (Reply 7):
Just off the top of my head all CX are RNP approved, all SQ are RNP approved, all EK are RNP approved, majority of BA's fleet is approved (if not all).

QF is quite late in its approving of aircraft for RNP in comparison to other international carriers.

Hmm, I think your missing the point, different levels of RNP exist, from 0.1, 1, 2, 5, and 10. QF has been RNP for a long long time.

RNP 1 SIDs and STARs are common, so is RNP 10 oceanic airspace.

QF was one of the first, if not the first operator to do RNP approaches with 737-800s, these were done into airports in NZ.

RNP approaches are VERY common, what would be a GPS approach on a general aviation aircraft is coded as a RNP approach on most modern airlines, the GPS input feeds into the FMC as a position update, its just another navaid as far as the FMC is concerned. Most airlines dont need this as they go from ILS to ILS, the new RNP approaches give pilots some level vertical guidance, and allows for more straight in approaches which are safer.

Australia has been very innovative in this area, they are responsible for a lot of the procedures which were adopted by ICAO in PAN-OPS. Differential GPS approaches down to ILS like minina were approved and conducted into Norfolk Island for over 5 years now.



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User currently offline9VSRH From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 132 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4410 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 12):
Hmm, I think your missing the point, different levels of RNP exist, from 0.1, 1, 2, 5, and 10. QF has been RNP for a long long time.

Why are QF still only flying the conventional SIDs out of SIN and HKG and not the RNAV ones on its A333s and 763s? Aren't these SIDS only RNP1? (not being smart or anything would seriously like to know   )

[Edited 2006-09-17 04:56:52]

[Edited 2006-09-17 04:58:08]

User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9245 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4146 times:

Quoting 9VSRH (Reply 13):
Why are QF still only flying the conventional SIDs out of SIN and HKG and not the RNAV ones on its A333s and 763s? Aren't these SIDS only RNP1? (not being smart or anything would seriously like to know )

Sorry sounds like total B/S to me.

That is deffo not the case on any airbus with GPS installed, i.e. the QF A330s, they are RNP 1 out of the factory (normally its giving you RNP 0.1 with GPS PRIMARY). The 733/734/763 if they dont have GPS or is unserviceable (which I know is the case for the 733/734) may not be RNP 1, but can be RNP 5 & 10. Have a look at the age of the 763s, were they purchased before GPS was about ? Have they been retrofitted ? I have not heard of ANY 767/330 operator having issue with the SIDs to STARs ex HKG or SIN.

I would imagine their 767s are GPS equipped, my understanding is they spent a lot of money on their 743s to get them FMC/GPS/RNP 1 as well.

Another issue is for the case of one engine inoperative considerations in HKG, the new SIDs may not provide the required terrain clearance for QF, I dont know if this is the case, it would be a consideration.

JQ for a while were using the QF 330 sim as the QF 330 and its sim had GPS (the old 320 sim in BNE did not have one), and the JQ pilots could use that sim for training. They now have their own 320 sim in MEL with all the good bits.

The ONLY aircraft I have heard that have issues are some of the older freighters, like the NWA 747-200s, they are RNP 10, not RNP 1. This is not a problem, all one has to say is negative RNP and you will get vectors. Vectors are the norm in SIN, not the exception.



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User currently offline9VSRH From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 132 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

This is from a QF NOTAM out of HKG-


[Edited 2006-09-17 09:46:40]

User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5319 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 4):
Wow I thought QF would never enter Korea. Nonetheless it is good to see they are starting new services

They ran these seasonal flights earlier this year also from BNE


User currently offlineTurkee From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3204 times:

Quoting AirNewZealand (Thread starter):
INCREASED CAPACITY PERTH TO PORT HEDLAND QantasLink has announced an increased capacity each week between Perth and Port Hedland. The new services, which will operate from 11 September 2006, bring the total number of services each week to 38. The new service will see QantasLink operate three return flights per day on weekdays using B717 aircraft. Weekday flights depart Perth at 10am, arriving in Port Hedland at 12.05pm, then depart at 12.40pm, arriving in Perth at 12.45pm.

Does this not make mathematical sense to anybody else? 3 flights a day on weekdays = 15 flights. But the total number of services each week is 38?

The Qantas timetable listed on their own website for services from Perth to Port Hedland lists 21 services total per week.

Somebody hand the Qantas PR folk a calculator please.


User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

Quoting Jasond (Reply 2):
Anyone else doing this around the world?



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 3):
Believe WestJet in Canada have been doing this for ~1 year now on their 737NGs for selected airports, slowly expanding the list. I think Kelowna (YLW) was the initial trial location.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure AS pioneered this technology in JNU. For you Aussies and Kiwis who aren't familiar with Juneau, it is notorious for poor flying conditions due to terrain and bad weather. AS can now land in Juneau in near-zero visibility, drastically reducing the number of over-flys. AS also uses it in SFO and DCA, among other places.



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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3071 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 16):
They ran these seasonal flights earlier this year also from BNE

Thanks for that I didn't know they did


User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2545 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

Hey VHVXB...

Yes, they were operated by BNE longhaul crew  Sad...

Sad as i would love to go back to Korea!!!

In regards to Port Hedland...no idea, these were not publications, just news off of our staff website.

Cheers!


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9245 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2654 times:

Quoting 9VSRH (Reply 15):
This is from a QF NOTAM out of HKG-

That is a company notam. The A330 aircraft are certified for RNP 1 out of the factory, if they dont have the CASA approval, that is not the fault of the aircraft.

If you were to plug that SID in the aircraft it would fly it with RNP 0.5 accuracy, just they dont have a piece of paper to say they are allowed to do it which makes that notam correct.



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2502 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 4):
Wow I thought QF would never enter Korea. Nonetheless it is good to see they are starting new services



Quoting VHVXB (Reply 19):
Thanks for that I didn't know they did

The BNE charters last year were not very succesful... average LF was about 62%.

the reason for these supps has NOTHING to do with market development for QF.

Basically it is the THE PEAK of PEAK season for the Korean market, and codeshare partner OZ doesn't have the capacity to expand beyond its daily B777, so QF assists with these B767 supps.

KE has upgraded SYD from A333 to B744, increased BNE from 3 to 5 A330s per week, and will operate over 10 charter services to MEL from 26 December!


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 22):
Basically it is the THE PEAK of PEAK season for the Korean market, and codeshare partner OZ doesn't have the capacity to expand beyond its daily B777, so QF assists with these B767 supps.

KE has upgraded SYD from A333 to B744, increased BNE from 3 to 5 A330s per week, and will operate over 10 charter services to MEL from 26 December!

oh ok. So I guess QF won't have a regular service to Korea anytime soon. Could this possibly be another Jetstar Destination.


User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2397 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 14):
I would imagine their 767s are GPS equipped

Not for navigation, only for the EGPWS. Only VH-OGT, U and V have GPS tied into the navigation system!


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 25, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 23):
Could this possibly be another Jetstar Destination.

certainly a candidate, although there is considerable business class travel between Australia and Korea, so it's a tricky one...

I can imagine OZ continuing to operate SYD-ICN, with perhaps JQ operating 4pw BNE-ICN and 3pw MEL-ICN for the leisure market, with OZ codesharing.


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