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XLA Pull Out Of HUY, CWL And Nema  
User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3414 times:

Very bad news - XLA are pulling out of CWL, NEMA and HUY. CWL is due to low loads and HUY due to lack of cat. 3

From a HUY perspective this is as big a blow as loosing FR. Charters are integral to the airports future and this surely rules out based charter aircraft at HUY until cat 3 is installed. It also probably means there will be no SSH flights next summer

Very dissapointing, especially as loads weren't a problem on the flights  cry 

(Source XLA website and pprune)


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User currently offlineCardiffairtaxi From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3394 times:

Quoting Humberside (Thread starter):
Very bad news - XLA are pulling out of CWL, NEMA and HUY. CWL is due to low loads and HUY due to lack of cat. 3

XLA were supposedly very busy from CWL,and introducing more routes next year.


User currently offlineCardiffairtaxi From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

Its showing CWL-PMI flights for next year,operated by Air Malta.
There are rumours MYT are pulling out of BRS next year,and so buying seats on other carriers.
Maybe XLA are going to base another aircraft at BRS to cover this.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

XLA are opening DUB up next year and apparently taking STN in house (this year it is operated by Nordic Regonal)


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User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

They introduced MIR and KGS from CWL next year, so I'm very disappointed with this news! They've been doing extremely well from CWL this summer, which I wasn't expecting, but they have done, and loads have apparently been very good, so it isn't quite adding up?

Guess it also means no SSH for CWL next summer  Sad

... One more reason to dislike Excel!



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User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

Just checked out the website, and even though there's no official announcement on there yet, it seems that from CWL they're still offering weekly services to CFU and TFS under an XLA code, and weekly PMI and ACE under a KM code... any ideas of whether CWL is just getting a KM aircraft insted, and, as in BRS, some flights are being operated under the XLA code, whilst others will remain KM?


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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 5):
Just checked out the website, and even though there's no official announcement on there yet, it seems that from CWL they're still offering weekly services to CFU and TFS under an XLA code, and weekly PMI and ACE under a KM code...

Im thinking w patterns into CWL from elesehwere. They have 5 a week into EXT next year plus some to BFS and may have a couple into HUY

And returning to HUY - a post on my forums indicates yields are the reason for XLA pulling out



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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 4):

If they were doing "very well" they wouldn't be cutting back to this extent at CWL.

Most likely they haven't been able to retain whatever deal CWL enticed them to operate from there with this year. Without the deal they won't have been able to offer the prices that filled their flights this year (but probably didn't make much, if any profit)

As far as the remaining flights... wouldn't be suprised it they had large allocations of seats taken by other operators.

Certainly my flight with them a couple of weeks ago to CFU saw a large number of seats being taken by MyTravel passengers.

Poor Spencer Birns who joined CWL a couple of weeks ago as Head of Aviation Relationships (i.e.route development manager) - the first achievement of his tenancy in his new job is to have a major operator pull out...

[Edited 2006-09-16 23:36:20]


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User currently offlineCaaardiff From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3199 times:

Could this have anything to do with their new Ireland operation??
The EMA MD80 had to go sooner or later anyway!
When are the new a/c due? Anyone know exactly whats on order? 738/9's according to Jethro's
The loads were good on some routes, but not great on others. E.G The twice weekly DLM flight often went with less that 100 pax and as Diesel says, i think the more popular ones were ones with allocations from other airlines.
TOM should get in on SSH year round and as i've said on other forums, MYT should make a comeback, as it seems they had allocations on quite a few of XL's flights, as well as the JKK flights operated on their behalf.
This is still rumour around the airport. So i wonder what Monday will bring with regards to an CIAL announcement!


User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

Quoting Caaardiff (Reply 8):

I can't see there being an announcement from the airport... more likely they'll allow XL to quietly slip away.

I'm hoping the CWL-CFU flight is going to be operated - I was about to book for next May.

May consider taking an alternative option now...



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User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 9):
I'm hoping the CWL-CFU flight is going to be operated - I was about to book for next May.

It's still on there, not as a W pattern either, however, if it doesn't happen, it's still operated by FCA, TOM, and MYT!

Quoting Caaardiff (Reply 8):
MYT should make a comeback

Comeback? MyTravel already have a base there? Granted it's only a measly A320, and they could probably bring in another a/c, I'd like to see a new airline approach us  Smile TCX or MON... something along those lines? However I dont doubt TOM will see this as a good opportunity to win some more passengers at CWL!

Who knows, the amount of possibilities are quite big!



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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3162 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 10):
if it doesn't happen, it's still operated by FCA, TOM, and MYT!

FCA operate a night flight, so no thanks

TOM operate on Friday (the wrong day for me) so no thanks

MYT don't even operate to CFU from CWL, so can't say no thanks...

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 10):
I'd like to see a new airline approach us TCX or MON... something along those lines?

You need a tour operator to take up the seats... and as XL have demonstrated, that's not so easy.

The high streets of South Wales are dominated by the travel agent arms of TUI, MyTravel and First Choice - these travel agents will always sell their operators first.

As far as My Travel are concerned, their presence at CWL this year is iirc the smallest number of seats offered by their inhouse airline for some years - instead of part basing an A320 they have used capacity on XLA.



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 10):
Granted it's only a measly A320, and they could probably bring in another a/c

Why would they? They only have an A320 at Bristol, Glasgow (excluding FUA op'd flights and long haul), East Midlands and Newcastle, and only have two at Gatwick and Birmingham - so i don't think they would bring in another aircraft at CWL before they would at those other bases.

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 4):
One more reason to dislike Excel!

So BMI Baby pulling MME-LGW is one more reason for me to dislike WW is it? I thought judging an airline by the arrivals board was bad, but judging them for pulling out of an airport they failed to make successful is just ludicrous.


User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3127 times:

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 12):
i don't think they would bring in another aircraft at CWL before they would at those other bases.

Yes but all those airports have more charter airlines serving them, and in terms of LGW and BHX, MYT have more than just the one aircraft! So now that XLA have pulled a decent amount of seats from CWL, including one's that the MyTravel Group would put their passengers on, it would be sensible to base another aircraft at CWL:
a. To increase the range of destinations they offer
b. To serve the passengers who have booked with them but onto XLA flights
c. Because there's significantly less competition
d. They're rumoured to be leaving BRS by all accounts, so they're going to need extra capacity in the southwest and Wales for those flights too!

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 12):
I thought judging an airline by the arrivals board was bad, but judging them for pulling out of an airport they failed to make successful is just ludicrous.

I'm certainly not going into the punctuality argument with you again, but I'm not going to like them more because they don't fly locally am I? Hmmmmn... XLA from BRS or LGW, or MYT/TOM/FCA from CWL! Wonder which I'm going to prefer?



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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2980 times:

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 12):



Quoting Cwldude (Reply 13):

We're moving off topic here when discussing MyTravel, however...  Smile
What you need to consider is that one part of the strategy that saw MyTravel group's return to being a successful, profitable business was to scale back their aviation activities, so that the aircraft the group's airlines operated, were flown year round - this meant less need to arrange winter lease outs, and the airlines move away from the situation where aircraft flew infrequently during the quieter winter months.
The additional capacity needed to the summer would then be taken up by other operators (e.g. Futura / Spanair / Excel etc)

What all this means is that MyTravel are far more likely to use other carriers to build business, before committing to additional aircraft themselves.

Moving back on topic though.... afaik Excel's bases at EMA / CWL / HUY were all new for Summer 2006 - that all appear to have failed in some way has to set alarm bells ringing in the way that it plans and develops its business?



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 13):
I'm certainly not going into the punctuality argument with you again,

Good because i seem to remember you saying, back in May or June, that they were having a crap season, which was only going to get worse as the summer went on. Yet in this thread you say:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 4):
They've been doing extremely well from CWL this summer, which I wasn't expecting, but they have done

And they've had a good summer at Gatwick and Manchester as well, so yeah, don't bother talking about punctuality, because you'd probably be talking crap.

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 13):
So now that XLA have pulled a decent amount of seats from CWL,

Do you ever wonder why?

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 13):
but I'm not going to like them more because they don't fly locally am I?

But you said you would never fly XLA anyway, so surely them leaving has no affect on you? So why should you dislike them more because of it?


User currently offlineCaaardiff From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 11):
The high streets of South Wales are dominated by the travel agent arms of TUI, MyTravel and First Choice - these travel agents will always sell their operators first.

Too true. Not many people from South Wales have even heard of XL, they've never had a presence in South Wales.
Yes we could say if they tried harder to promote themselves they could build up a good base, However the aircraft are probably better elsewhere.

The 'MyTravel comeback' was a reference to how they used to be, 2 a/c, and also a winter base. MYT are doing great as they are at the moment at CWL, just again maybe theres more money elsewhere.

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 11):
Quoting Cwldude (Reply 10):
if it doesn't happen, it's still operated by FCA, TOM, and MYT!

FCA operate a night flight, so no thanks

TOM operate on Friday (the wrong day for me) so no thanks

MYT don't even operate to CFU from CWL, so can't say no thanks...

If every flight had the perfect day and flying time we'd need about 10 a/c based!
 Smile  Smile

Bottom line for me is it would be nice to see someone replace the gap XL have left, for me i'd like it to be MYT or MON (latter being wishful thinking!), as CWL doesnt seem to be making much progress at the moment.


User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 15):
Good because i seem to remember you saying, back in May or June, that they were having a crap season, which was only going to get worse as the summer went on... And they've had a good summer at Gatwick and Manchester as well

3 out of how many airports? BRS hasn't been too impressive, neither has EMA (THATS for sure), and Im sure there have been a lot more blips! Anyway... we'll see when the stats are released won't we! And if they've done well for themselves... I'll eat my hat!

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 15):
Do you ever wonder why?

I do wonder why, when they originally planned to offer more destinations with increased frequencies on particular routes, then within the space of a month, they've pulled it! If it was so obvious that they were really doing that bad, why bother doing a Summer 2007 schedule for CWL in the first place?

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 15):
But you said you would never fly XLA anyway, so surely them leaving has no affect on you? So why should you dislike them more because of it?

You're right, I'd never fly them... but that doesn't mean it's not good to have the option does it?



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User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2096 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2761 times:

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 7):
Poor Spencer Birns who joined CWL a couple of weeks ago as Head of Aviation Relationships (i.e.route development manager) - the first achievement of his tenancy in his new job is to have a major operator pull out...

It shouldn't come as a shock to him.......he's simply transferred his expertise from his previous position at Manchester  stirthepot 


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