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Intra-European Flights Outside Of Home Market...  
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3052 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3276 times:

Outside of the Low Cost Carrier Market, I was wondering how many other carriers have taken advantage of the "Open-Skies" policy within the European Union and are operating scheduled routes outside of their home market.

Anyone know of any such routes and what carriers operate the flights...

The only ones I can think of are:

Adria Airways (Slovenia) - VIE-FRA
Air Malta - LGW-CTA

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User currently offlineAlespesl From Czech Republic, joined Jan 2004, 583 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3260 times:

Czech Airlines flies daily MRS-BCN-MRS.


Next Flight: Dec 06 PRG-WAW ATR72, Dec 07 WAW-PRG ATR42 with Czech Airlines.
User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3257 times:

LG used to operate BGY-ATH (or something similar) for a while a few years ago as a tag-on to their LUX service.


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User currently offlineTIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3235 times:

SN: NCE-GVA (or something similar)
MA: ATH-HEL, ATH-DUB

I don't know if these flights still operate, but they did at one point.


User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3225 times:

LG still operates SCN-MUC vv. although actually Luxembourg is so small, one could count the Saarland (the region which hosts SCN) as its home market. then this flight wouldn't in this category, LOL.

also, LH once had flights from MRS to BOD and back, as a tag-on flight from the MUC-MRS run. that was in the mid-nineties, IRIC.

rgds
daniel



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User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3225 times:

AR MAD-CDG
AR MAD-LHR
LA MAD-FRA

RG used to fly AMS-CDG.

These flights are bookable without connecting to LatAm.


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4069 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 3194 times:

In the mid nineties, BA used to operate
ARN to CDG, NCE and FCO with a F100.
It lasted about four years but was never very successful.


User currently offlineSK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 3171 times:
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LG MAN/DUB/MAN
VG Loads of routes ex LCY

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 5):
AR MAD-CDG
AR MAD-LHR

Interstingly, from the 1st October these flights cannot be booked online, only through the AR call centre. Anyone know why?


User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

Air France LCY-DUB operated by WX (cityjet) - 28 weekly flights each way

User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3092 times:

EK flies FCO-NCE and from Cyprus (Lanarca) to Malta.

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

Quoting TIA (Reply 3):
SN: NCE-GVA (or something similar)

It was MRS-GVA but is no longer operated

Quoting Goldorak (Reply 8):
Air France LCY-DUB operated by WX (cityjet) - 28 weekly flights each way

Since Cityjet are an Irish airline this is a debatable one. You could argue most of Cityjet's routes fit into this thread since they dont serve Ireland



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User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3067 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 10):
Since Cityjet are an Irish airline this is a debatable one. You could argue most of Cityjet's routes fit into this thread since they dont serve Ireland

not exactly. You would be right if it was a code-shared flight. But this is not the case as the route is not operated under a WX flight number but only a AF number. So I think, this case falls under the scope of the post. Other routes done by WX are operated from France, under AF franchise agreement, so do not correspond to the question asked.
regards


User currently offlineSkyone From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

Ryanair from Rome to Venice!
Now, Easyjet from Madrid to Asturias and Galicia


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 9):
EK flies FCO-NCE

No traffic rights though.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

Quoting Goldorak (Reply 11):
not exactly. You would be right if it was a code-shared flight. But this is not the case as the route is not operated under a WX flight number but only a AF number. So I think, this case falls under the scope of the post. Other routes done by WX are operated from France, under AF franchise agreement, so do not correspond to the question asked.

Am I right in thinking though that as an Irish registered airline, Cityjet couldn't fly most of their AF routes without open skies or would the fact they are French owned allow them to do so



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User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 14):
Am I right in thinking though that as an Irish registered airline, Cityjet couldn't fly most of their AF routes without open skies or would the fact they are French owned allow them to do so

I think you're right. Without open skies, I don't think they could operate AF routes such as CDG to FLR, ZRH, EDI, etc. But I'm not a specialist of these "legal" issues, so I may be wrong


User currently offlineBOSSAN From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

The Belgian airline VLM is the largest carrier at London City Airport and has the bulk of its operations there, with routes LCY-MAN, LCY-LPL, LCY-IOM and LCY-JER within the UK and dependencies, LCY-AMS and LCY-RTM between the UK and the Netherlands, and LCY-LUX between the UK and Luxembourg in addition to LCY-BRU and LCY-ANR between the UK and Belgium.

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9746 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2928 times:

Tag flights are not that popular with airlines anymore. LH used to fly GOA-NAP way before we had the European Internal Market.

Which actually is the "open skies" policy. Any company, not only airlines, basically can do business anywhere in Europe. Once Brussels has taken over the negotiations of traffic rights from the various states and negotiates directly with third countries, the EU carriers can fly from anywhere in the EU to anywhere aoutside the EU,



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 42
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

SV operates FRA-GVA and CDG-FCO, although I am not sure about traffic rights on these routes. I have always thought about trying out SV this way in order to avoid having to travel to Saudi Arabia.


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User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

Quoting TIA (Reply 3):
MA: ATH-HEL
I don't know if these flights still operate, but they did at one point.

MA did operate that this summer, too.

Until next month AY is operating ARN-MAD-ARN and ARN-OSL-ARN.
Also Gothenburg-CPH (only Sundays).

[Edited 2006-09-18 11:01:15]


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