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Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4187 posts, RR: 89
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9559 times:
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Flag carrier Thai Airways International has said it would buy four Boeing 777-200ER aircraft worth 560 million dollars to expand its fleet amid strong foreign demand.
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"We want to meet strong foreign demand as we open new direct flights from Bangkok to Johannesburg in October," a company official said, adding that Thai Airways would receive the planes in the next fiscal year to September 2007


http://www.todayonline.com/articles/143231.asp

Are these new orders or part of the existing 6 which they ordered in 2004 which have yet to be delivered?

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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9499 times:

It seems unlikely that a new order placed now would provide for delivery of four B777s by September 2007 unless TG already held delivery slots somehow.

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6939 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9469 times:

It seems improbable that this is a new order. I suspect it's some rather ill-informed reporter belatedly picking up on the previous order.

The clue might be in the statement that this takes to 44 the number of Boeings in their fleet. Can anyone work that out?


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4187 posts, RR: 89
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9425 times:
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Quoting Zvezda (Reply 1):
placed now would provide for delivery of four B777s by September 2007 unless TG already held delivery slots somehow.

They most recently ordered 6 x 772ER powered by RR in December 2004 so they hold delivery slots. QRs recently confirmed order had the first delivery for November 2007. I'm not sure of the definition of the Thai fiscal year.

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
I suspect it's some rather ill-informed reporter belatedly picking up on the previous order.

It could well be in which case they have quoted the incorrect number as TG have 6 on order with delivery commencing this year. A quick check of Boeings site shows these as being unfilled.

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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9424 times:

http://www.thaiairways.com/About_Tha...tion/Information/AircraftFleet.htm

Thai lists 44 Boeing aircraft, including 4 leased to Nok Air. No idea if the website is up to date.

edited, website says UPDATE AUG 2006

[Edited 2006-09-18 07:27:53]


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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9337 times:

The list at Thai's website excludes aircraft yet to be delivered. If those additional 4 bring the fleet to 44 (excluding 4 for Nok Air), why isn't there any mentioning of the other 2 aircraft ordered in december 2004? Cancelled?

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
four Boeing 777-200ER aircraft worth 560 million dollars to expand its fleet amid strong foreign demand.

That's an interesting bit. Usually listprices are mentioned, it would be US$720 million to US$848 million for the 772ER, or US$190 to US$212 million a piece. Assuming the average of US$201 million, Thai's 772ER's seem to come with a discount of 30%.



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 9170 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 5):
Thai's 772ER's seem to come with a discount of 30%.

That would be within the range of normalcy.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 9072 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6):
That would be within the range of normalcy.

It certainly is IMO. It's just that it happens not often that it is made public.



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User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8833 times:

Forbes is reporting it.

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2006/09/17/afx3023231.html



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4187 posts, RR: 89
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8728 times:
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The original 6 they ordered in 2004 have a delivery schedule from August 2006 through to October 2007. As Manni noted, why mention 4 and what happened to the other 2? Not likely to be cancelled IMO but this could be a case a journalist quoting the wrong number.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q1/nr_050126i.html

We'll have to wait and see if any further updates occur but it might be awhile given the last order was a UFO. Would be nice to see 4 more RR 772ERs ordered but a question mark hangs over this one IMHO.

[Edit - Correction of original 6 order year to 2004 from 2006]

Regards, PanAm_DC10

[Edited 2006-09-18 13:08:13]


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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3333 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8573 times:

Considering that 2 of the 6 have already been allocated to MEL, another to JNB, that leaves only 3.

another 4 would come in handy, especially for sector to Europe such as MAD, MXP and others generating reasonable J class traffic.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8441 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 10):

Considering that 2 of the 6 have already been allocated to MEL, another to JNB, that leaves only 3.

another 4 would come in handy, especially for sector to Europe such as MAD, MXP and others generating reasonable J class traffic.

Agreed. They really could use another 4 besides the 4 they have on order for further expansion.

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User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1410 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8415 times:

Will TG be starting flights to Manchester, UK as rumoured for 2007? The 772ER would be the ideal aircraft for the flights.

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8382 times:
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THai still has two types of long range airplanes for every mission, A345, A346 and 777-200ER's. Short Range, 777-300 and A330-300, ehat next A380 adn 748?

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7871 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 13):
ehat next A380 adn 748?

I think TG will go for the 748I. If they go for the A380, i'll be surprised.

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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7845 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 14):
I think TG will go for the 748I. If they go for the A380, i'll be surprised.

They went for the A380 last year. Ordered 6.



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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7817 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 14):
I think TG will go for the 748I. If they go for the A380, i'll be surprised.



Quoting Lumberton (Reply 15):
They went for the A380 last year. Ordered 6.


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They ordered them in 2004 IIRC. Anyway, MCOflyer surprised now? And why?



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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7778 times:

Quoting Kalakaua (Reply 8):
Forbes is reporting it.

I think a.netters have pointed out repeatedly just how bad Forbes reporting often is. I think we need a better post


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4187 posts, RR: 89
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7447 times:
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Quoting Manni (Reply 16):
They ordered them in 2004 IIRC. Anyway, MCOflyer surprised now? And why?

Manni with the utmost respect I ask that you look at when MCOflyer joined A.net for his first flight  Smile He only joined in June of this year and is learning from a period of time in which he was not a member and therefore is unaware that they had ordered the A380 already. I saw a similar instance when he mentioned JAL and the 787.

MCOflyer if you are interested in which airlines have ordered a particular model you may find the following links of some assistance;

For Airbus the following link is all their orders on one spreadsheet

http://www.airbus.com/en/corporate/orders_and_deliveries/

For Boeing the following is for year to date sales and user defined searches for previous years;

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

Not all orders are listed as it takes sometime between the announcement before the order is finalised. Another highly respected member keeps the following thread updated with all announced orders that have yet to be finalised between the airlines and OEMs.

I hope this is of some assistance sir.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 17):
just how bad Forbes reporting often is. I think we need a better post

I concur as Forbes and all other reports since the initial report all lead back to the same source. In this case we need a more accurate report or statement from the airline or Boeing. Until then we remain, to some degree,  confused  as to the accuracy of this report.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7302 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 14):
I think TG will go for the 748I. If they go for the A380, i'll be surprised.

"TSUNAMI-struck Thailand has been told by the European Commission that it must buy six A380 Airbus aircraft if it wants to escape the tariffs against its fishing industry.

"While millions of Europeans are sending aid to Thailand to help its recovery, trade authorities in Brussels are demanding that Thai Airlines, its national carrier, pays £1.3 billion to buy its double-decker aircraft."

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=66782005


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7130 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 18):
Manni with the utmost respect I ask that you look at when MCOflyer joined A.net for his first flight

I understand what you're saying, however with 856 posts in just 3 months I dont consider MCOflyer as a newbie.

My question to MCOflyer remains. What is so surprising about TG ordering the A380? Not only do they already operate a sizeable Airbus fleet and also operate a fleet of the largest airliner currently in service, the 744. Thailand is also one of, if not the worlds most popular holiday destination.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6667 times:

I would think that the A380 is more aircraft to satisfy their needs. I just hope TG uses it to destinations such as LAX where loads demand it.

I like TG and hope that its new fleet of 777's and the 380 will bring in profit.

PanAm_DC10,

Welcome to my RU list. I love airliners.net and i'm proud to be part of it. It took me 2yrs to join and is the best $42 I have spent.

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User currently offlineHKA From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 148 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6242 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
That's an interesting bit. Usually listprices are mentioned, it would be US$720 million to US$848 million for the 772ER, or US$190 to US$212 million a piece. Assuming the average of US$201 million, Thai's 772ER's seem to come with a discount of 30%.

Does anyone know what PIA paid for their 777LRs ? I believe they must have got some good discounts as the launch customer for LR model and also since they bought the test planes.

Thanks


User currently offlineLPLAspotter From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5446 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 21):
I would think that the A380 is more aircraft to satisfy their needs. I just hope TG uses it to destinations such as LAX where loads demand it.

I respect your opinion too, but how can you say that when they have cut their frequency to LAX from a daily flight (via KIX or NRT) to a nonstop 350?

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User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4300 times:

I wish they would re-start HEL soon...


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25 Carpethead : TG will likely use their 6 A380s on their main BKK-LHR & FRA runs where adding frequencies is not highly probable and wouldn't surprise me if it shows
26 Post contains links Manni : Luchtvaartnieuws has the newsreport aswell now. The only variation is that it brings Thai Boeing fleet to 48. Thai's has 40 Boeing aircraft in their f
27 6thfreedom : Just had a look at TG website, which shows the BNE will increase from 3 to 5pw, with aircraft change from B773 to B772ER... so 12 pw MEL, 5pw BNE alre
28 Pieinthesky : The CEO of TG said earlier this year that they would like to start services to MAN, but had been waiting until they had the right a/c for the route. A
29 Manni : BIAC is rumoured to be negotiating with TG aswell, according to a Belgian aviation enthousiast website. Perhaps a route BKK-BRU-MAN? MAN has been lin
30 United787 : You forgot the 743 and 744. Had TG gotten rid of their MD-11s? Can someone explain the logic of their fleet, it seems as though they have a lot of ov
31 Pieinthesky : It has, but it's a pain, and if they want to compete with SQ they'd be better off going nonstop, as the low ex-MAN loads on the twice weekly SQ345 74
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