YLWbased From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 696 posts, RR: 4 Posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6262 times:
The world first Long-haul LCC is set to take of the ground on 25th Oct, 2006 from HKA to London (LGW). Airfare starting from HKD$1000(oneway) and HKD$6600 (Business Class one way) with FULL inflight services and IFE (including PTVs). Here are some pic of their livery and interior view of their 744.
Ever hear of Laker Skytrain? or PeoplExpress? (or a hundred others) Actually - I don't see how the can be called LC with full service and IFE? Where actually do they have lower costs?
Dogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5990 times:
Quoting ANother (Reply 4): Where actually do they have lower costs?
Well the lowest fare I beleive is £260 Return! So that to me is like it is a lower cost. Meanwhile, CX are charging £430 return from LHR. I think this will be a success.
Dogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5583 times:
Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 6): I think ANother is referring to the cost structure of the airline...not ticket prices!
Ahh, gotcha!
Well in that case, they make you pay for drinks so i would assume they would be sky high and you will need a drink on such a long flight. Also the aircraft may be pretty squeezed.
TommyBP251b From Germany, joined Apr 2006, 449 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5570 times:
Another thought!
Will there be any codeshare agreement or partnership with 4U in CGN and SXF, and with Easyjet in SXF?
What will LH say if passenger will fly with Oasis to Berlin or Cologne and get connected to LH Low cost airline 4U who will fly them to European destinations?
CX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6363 posts, RR: 56 Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5508 times:
Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 8): Well in that case, they make you pay for drinks so i would assume they would be sky high and you will need a drink on such a long flight. Also the aircraft may be pretty squeezed.
I believe that drinks will be included. Alcohol will not be free. As for seating, the seat pitch is fairl decent. I can't remember what it is, but it is no smaller than CX's 31inch economy pitch. Not sure about business.
Oasis will be operating out of a very expensive airport. I cannot imagine that staff costs will be much lower for their HK office staff. As for pilots, although they do not have housing, their salaries are actually not at all bad.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5418 times:
Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 5): Meanwhile, CX are charging £430 return from LHR. I think this will be a success.
Raventom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5126 times:
I've always had the thought... if there are 278 odd Y class pax, and only a little amount of business with no first... then would the overall revnue be higher on a full plane? Besides, NOT everyone is paying only £260 return.
According to their website, Oasis will charge economy for soft drinks and alcohol (complimetry in business). Also "deluxe amenity kits" are available for purchase. However, headsets are still complimentry for both classes
Besides they allow up to 23kg of baggage! That's 2 more than CX and the same as BA i think.
I'm interested in the effect of the prices on the legacy airliners flying London - Hong Kong. Will they lower their prices too? Or will they stay in superisolation and continue ripping us off?
Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 11): Low fares and full planes do not = profitable!
Well that depends on what the cost is to operate these full planes. Would you really think a bunch of experienced aviation businessmen would start up an airline which they think will fail?
Guys you checked out thier retro style uniform?
Anyways, enough of me typing... I'm flying with Oasis this December to test them Look out for my trip report.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5077 times:
Quoting Raventom (Reply 12): Well that depends on what the cost is to operate these full planes. Would you really think a bunch of experienced aviation businessmen would start up an airline which they think will fail?
HKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4762 times:
I love the livery ...
Quoting ANother (Reply 4): Ever hear of Laker Skytrain? or PeoplExpress? (or a hundred others) Actually - I don't see how the can be called LC with full service and IFE? Where actually do they have lower costs?
It could be just the perception of lower costs that get the punters on the plane. Isn't that the way VS started?
Mind you, HKG-London is getting rather crowded nowadays ... and I don't think CX would take too kindly to a new competitor. Wonder how long Oasis an last if NZ, VS, CX, BA and QF all start offering ultra-cheap economy fares - these are all full-service carriers with a good service reputation.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4716 times:
Also this is a long flight not to be getting frequent flyer miles!
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4716 times:
Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 14): Wonder how long Oasis an last if NZ, VS, CX, BA and QF all start offering ultra-cheap economy fares - these are all full-service carriers with a good service reputation.
The other thing that the above mentioned carriers can do is offer bonus miles at there normal fares and that would attract people to fill the seats.
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 19236 posts, RR: 63 Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4438 times:
Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 14): Mind you, HKG-London is getting rather crowded nowadays ... and I don't think CX would take too kindly to a new competitor. Wonder how long Oasis an last if NZ, VS, CX, BA and QF all start offering ultra-cheap economy fares - these are all full-service carriers with a good service reputation.
It remains to be seen for this type of route, but by simply having a carrier plying it that is perceived as cheap to fly and offers a nonstop, may indeed increase the demand. The airlines who offer connecting service may be the ones with the most to lose (such as KE, OZ, QR, EK, GF, UL, etc.). QR is offering a return as low as HK$2770 plus tax HKG-LHR-HKG, with a connection in DOH, through the Hong Kong travel agents. A comparably-priced or even cheaper nonstop surely would grab some of that market.
We've also seen Premium Economy do quite well in that part of the world--NZ had to up the number of seats in that section right after their cabin refit to accommodate everyone, and BR does a brisk business to/from Asia with their Evergreen Deluxe class. Oasis' Business Class may very well siphon off a number of passengers who'd like some extra room, but don't want or need a flat bed, or who are unable to afford full Business class.
Can they fill up enough seats to make the venture profitable? We won't know until they take flight.
Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 16): The other thing that the above mentioned carriers can do is offer bonus miles at there normal fares and that would attract people to fill the seats.
Just offering full mileage might be enough for some. The lowest fares on BA and QF offer very meager takings mileage-wise.
HZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1598 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4232 times:
Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 13): The boneyards are littered with them!
Excellent!
Never be fooled into believing that something will be successful just because someone is willing to throw a lot of money at it.
If this flies the Kangaroo route, it will attract those European backpackers who fill the hostels around the country here. It would also attract those English people with larger families and cannot afford the BA / QF fare to go back to the UK and visit relatives.
HKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4093 times:
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 17): It remains to be seen for this type of route, but by simply having a carrier plying it that is perceived as cheap to fly and offers a nonstop, may indeed increase the demand.
Yes but before the demand increase benefits Oasis they might have gone out of business already ... only they know how deep are their pockets and just how low their operating costs are and whether they can sustain a discount price war with the established majors.
Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 18): If this flies the Kangaroo route, it will attract those European backpackers who fill the hostels around the country here. It would also attract those English people with larger families and cannot afford the BA / QF fare to go back to the UK and visit relatives.
It's a shame Backpacker Express never got off the ground, be interesting to see how that would've gone with exactly this market.
DeltaJet757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3875 times:
Looks nice to me. Is Oasis only operating 744's or are they operating other A/C?
Oakjam From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 182 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3428 times:
Wow how exciting to see Oasis starting up, and the new livery. I am excited to see them here at OAK. Some people think that low fares and full planes will not work, but I think otherwise. I wish them the best, they will have excellent connections at OAK though out other destinations out west and to the East Coast out of OAK. The exciting part is that the new concessions should open at OAK soon, making this Airport look like a real airport now. I will have to fly WN to try out the T2 extension.
26 Luv2fly: Yes though will lightning strike twice! And they certainly are not a low cost carrier now by any means.
27 CruzinAltitude: I'll steer clear of the LCC debate and say that I like the color scheme very much, and look forward to seeing it take to the skys.
28 BlrBird: Well said! I like the livery and wish them good luck.
29 Aussiestu: How can so many 'legacy carriers' on one route continue ripping you off??? Have you moved in to the 21stCentury with competition on most routes and m
31 PlanesNTrains: That will make things interesting if they go mechanical. What if it's an enroute diversion due to an engine problem? That would be a mess. But they d
33 CCA: B-LFA had a test flight today and did a Go-Around at 15:40 from 25L (right over me, too bad the pollution today was so bad) then it was to be towed to
34 Vasu: Where did they get the interiors from? They certainly aren't the SQ type.
36 Oakjam: I really won't spend any money to check out the concessions, as I have a travel voucher from WN to see the concessions at OAK anyways. In the next cou
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