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NW932, Gate Change - Aircraft Change?  
User currently offlineM Tamminiemi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

My folks will return from Hawaii tomorrow. The first leg in their travel plan is from Honolulu to Detroit on the NW932 (DC-10-40) and lasts 11:40. This seemed kinda long to me, even to an ER-model DC-10, so I checked it out and indeed, the flight makes a stop for 1:20 at LAX. The inbound gate at LAX is 26 and the outbound gate is 28.

My question is: despite the same flight number (932) does the stop at LAX include a plane change or do they just tow the aircraft to another gate? If so, what might be the purpose of this be as it seems to be common in other big international airports as well (e.g. JFK)? To keep the a/c from occupying the gate during the stop-over? Separate arrival and departure gates (seems unlikely)?

Why do I need to know? As an airline enthusiast purely for trivial reasons   Thanks!

Tami

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User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

My guess is it is a plane change. That particular DC10 operating 932 HNL-LAX is probably based in HNL or LAX and the other DC10 operating LAX-DTW is probably based in DTW.

User currently offlineM Tamminiemi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

Wow, what a rapid reply. Thanks Trent!

User currently offlineLxlgu From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1445 times:

it is a definate aircraft change.
I checked the NW CRS and it shows aircraft change-so
that is the definite story as per NW 747400

Hope your folks have a great flight!


User currently offlineM Tamminiemi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1399 times:

Thank you! It's gonna be quite a journey...

HNL-LAX 5:03
transit 2:17
LAX-DTW 4:21
transit 1:44
DTW-AMS 7:25
transit 2:05
AMS-HEL 2:30

Total trip time 25:25, of which 19:19 in the plane and 6:06 at airports. They'll probably be pretty beat up when I pick them up Friday afternoon. This is why you see Finns only occasionally on the Waikiki Beach...

Btw, how would YOUR trip go from South Africa to Oahu? Does SAA fly nonstop to US? Seems like a loooong way too. Well, you guys don't have to travel to the opposite side of the world to find a good surf - that is if you don't mind the great whites...

Best wishes,
Tami


User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

It is, in my view, dishonest of an airline to sell a flight as being a "one stop," if it involves a change of plane. Indeed, other than international flights for which a customs clearing stop is required, any required disembarkation should terminate the flight number.

Looks like a real snookering here; no doubt, there are people who book this itinerary without realizing that there is a change of plane, and at LAX, certainly one of the least pleasant places to do so.

Of course, my home airport is DFW, so who am I to complain about LAX?(!)



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineM Tamminiemi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1398 times:

Thank you! It's gonna be quite a journey...

HNL-LAX 5:03
transit 2:17 (miscalculated in the original message)
LAX-DTW 4:21
transit 1:44
DTW-AMS 7:25
transit 2:05
AMS-HEL 2:30

Total trip time 25:25, of which 19:19 in the plane and 6:06 at airports. I bet they'll be pretty beat up when I pick them up from Helsinki Friday afternoon. This is why you see Finns only occasionally on Waikiki Beach...

Btw, how would your trip from JNB to Oahu look like? Does SAA fly nonstop to US? Well, you fellas don't have to travel all the way across the globe to find a good surf - that is, if you don't mind the great whites...

Best wishes,
Tami


User currently offlineM Tamminiemi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

...sorry, probs with my browser!

User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1358 times:

Dishonest as it may be, it's a way of business practiced by most, if not all, of the US majors. You think that UA flies the same plane from BWI-MEL? Of course not! However, that was a flight listed in their schedule some time back. Other airlines do this all the time with "unscheduled aircraft changes", where you arrive at say, gate B14 at ATL and have to transfer to gate T1.

Also, the gate change for this flight isn't so unpleasant at LAX. It's in newly renovated Terminal 2, and it's only two gates down.

NWA Man



Create your own luck.
User currently offlineLxlgu From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1309 times:

We can fly SAA to ATL and then on
DL nonstop to HNL.So it is not too bad from here
Usually the flight is via ILHA DO SAL and or CAPE TOWN
from JNB.The NEW YORK flight is via ILHA DO SAL as
well.So we have 2 daily Stateside but some days we
will have 3 to the States as once a week we have
a 747300 via LAGOS to NEW YORK


User currently offlineAdam84 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1302 times:

If there is a plane change enroute, the f/a's will announce it when the plane lands in LAX or wherever. For example, when I flew from HNL-LAX the flight number was continuing on to LAS but had a plane change, well when we landed they announced that the plane going to LAS was leaving out of a different gate than the one we were arriving at. LAX isnt that hard to get around if you are staying on the same airline, but if you are switching from say Continental to Northwest it sucks cause their terminals are across from each other and you have to take the LAX shuttle (which is hell during the busy hours).

User currently offlineM Tamminiemi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1298 times:

I don't think my folks, being exprienced travellers, will mind the plane change. They survive ok communicating in English but I kinda doubt they would pay that much attention to an announcement in the plane, and being honest, that they would be able to understand it either unless carefully concentrating (yeah, right, how skilled do you have to be to understand "Welcome to this NW flight to Los Angeles..."). However, most likely, a check-in clerk at HNL will explain them - nice and slow - how their flight will proceed and an extra stop will not eventually be a surprise. I'm pretty sure though that this "extra" manueuver will be a piece of news to them - dad didn't seem to have a clue about it when we went scrutinously through their travel plan. Neither did I realize it at that point - the HNL-DTW 11:40 flight time seemed oddly long, though. Had the a/c been a 747 instead of a DC-10 I may not have pondered this even this much. Sure, the ER model flies long legs but this just seemed not right, especially as NW has even more suitable long haul a/c in its fleet.

What amazes me is that the travel agency was not able to inform about this. They gave a print-out that nicely listed every leg of the journey (HEL-AMS-LAX, LAX-HNL, HNL-DTW-AMS-HEL) with ample information, and this very easily mislead one, me included, to think they'd fly from HNL to DTW nonstop, or as I later figured, perhaps with a brief stop for pax and fuel for example at SFO. An actual plane change NEVER occured to my mind.

I really didn't think about all this other than in trivial sense but true, this kinda of situation could potentially cause lotsa gray hair and grief to people with little travel experience and limited language skills. I personally see the ticket seller responsible for providing complete and accurate information regarding the flights, stops and plane changes. I wonder how much problems this kind of issue causes? Anyway, an excellent point has arisen from this discussion, thank you all for participating.


User currently offlineAdam84 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1296 times:

Also, hope your parents had a good time in Hawaii. I could not imagine flying that far to go to a nice beach, and I though flying from Florida to Hawaii was long.

User currently offlineM Tamminiemi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1269 times:

To close this off, I'd like to add briefly that things eventually worked out fine. As expected, the service at HNL was excellent - the NW clerk actually told my folks that a flight via SFO would be even better for them so the flight was changed and off to SFO they went. I didn't ask how the plane change there took place but, nevertheless, I met two happy relaxed persons at the airport who were very satisfied with their journey.

They said that service with KLM was a bit better, though - NW was good as well but more "transportation" than "travelling" -like. I have heard this before - service being different with US carriers, friendly but more "a-matter-of-fact". I have only one experience within US and that was a charter (Tower Air) so I can't really tell. I wonder if it's the pax viewpoint, the most of US traffic is domestic while in many other parts of the world it's international. And international flights seem better, right...? Or is it that Europeans prefer a wet omelet to peanuts *grin*.


User currently offlineCle_tim From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1269 times:

Yeah, there is a two stop plane from CLE-Shanghai - I really believe that. However, the aircraft is a 763ER, so its possible. I'm checking in from PSP right now, and hotel time is not cheap - I'm coming home tomorrow.

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