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US Airways Express To Begin CLT-HPN, End PIT-HPN  
User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7584 times:

US Airways Express will be starting 3x daily CLT-HPN service with the slots freed up from ending PIT-HPN service.

Like most routes, US served CLT-HPN with mainline back in the day.

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Christmas Comes Early This Year - US Airways Announces New Service Between Its Hub in Charlotte, N.C. and White Plains, N.Y.

TEMPE, Ariz., Sept 18, 2006 -- Effective December 3, US Airways (NYSE: LCC) will begin service three times per day between its hub in Charlotte, N.C. and White Plains, N.Y. This new service complements five daily round trips already established between Philadelphia and White Plains, N.Y. as well as three daily round trips from both Washington, D.C. and Boston. Passengers will be able to fly the route every day, creating a perfect schedule for a business trip or vacation getaway.

(Logo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20050223/LAW097LOGO)

"This new route will allow our Northeast customers to have conveniently timed connections through Charlotte to and from our extensive list of destinations in the south," said Andrew Nocella, senior vice president, scheduling, planning and alliances.

Service between Charlotte and White Plains will be operated by US Airways Express carrier Air Wisconsin using 50-seat CRJ 200 aircraft.

Flight details are as follows:

Charlotte to White Plains* White Plains to Charlotte*
Flight Departs Arrives Flight Departs Arrives
3962 9:55 a.m. 11:41 a.m. 3577 6:45 a.m. 8:32 a.m.**
3976 3:22 p.m. 5:00 p.m. 3881 12:15 p.m. 2:02 p.m.
3736 8:30 p.m. 10:07 p.m. 3699 6:28 p.m. 8:15 p.m.

*Flights do not operate on Saturday
** Flight operates Monday-Saturday

US Airways and America West's recent merger creates the fifth largest domestic airline employing nearly 35,000 aviation professionals. US Airways, US Airways Shuttle and US Airways Express operate approximately 3,800 flights per day and serve more than 230 communities in the U.S., Canada, Europe, the Caribbean and Latin America. US Airways is a member of Star Alliance, which provides connections for our customers to 842 destinations in 152 countries worldwide. This press release and additional information on US Airways can be found at www.usairways.com. (LCCG)


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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7512 times:

That still leaves onew open slot. There a currently four dailys to HPN from PIT. Three Dash 8s and AWAC CRJ. Wonder if PIT will keep one daily Dash to HPN for or if the slot will go in the closet for later use?

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17690 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7487 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 1):
That still leaves onew open slot.

Isn't there a way to straddle slots in HPN such that you end up taking up two slots with one turn?



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9239 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7465 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 1):
Wonder if PIT will keep one daily Dash to HPN for or if the slot will go in the closet for later use?

I hope it does. Perhaps another regional carrier for USX will have some interest in bringing back lost regional service. Of course, it's up to the airport authority to have the competence to make the right moves here... With the new Republic station taking shape there, I hope the airport authority can do something to woo them to expand...



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6798 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7459 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
Isn't there a way to straddle slots in HPN such that you end up taking up two slots with one turn?

If memory serves, HPN's "slots" are actually capacity allocations instead of actual departure/arrival slots. The terminal is limited as to how many passengers may use it in a certain time period. If this is the case, four 37-seat Dash-8's would be nearly identical in capacity to three 50-seat CRJ's.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7345 times:

Quoting A330323X (Thread starter):

I was wondering why US hasn't started CLT-HPN service sooner.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 3):
I hope it does. Perhaps another regional carrier for USX will have some interest in bringing back lost regional service. Of course, it's up to the airport authority to have the competence to make the right moves here... With the new Republic station taking shape there, I hope the airport authority can do something to woo them to expand...

Maybe PIT-HPN will return, maybe it won't. Don't be too surprised to see other small/medium-sized markets getting the boot from US soon. PIT still has over 200+ flights a day, not bad for a large station.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7315 times:

Its a shame that that terminal is held down the way it is if it were unconstrained it could easily be in the neghborhood of 6-7 million pax today. It could be the SNA of the east.


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User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3562 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7256 times:

"Its a shame that that terminal is held down the way it is if it were unconstrained it could easily be in the neghborhood of 6-7 million pax today. It could be the SNA of the east."

Westchester County does not want an SNA east

I did a lot of flight instructing into and out of HPN. In my opinion, which is probably worthless  Smile, HPN matched FRG and LGA for the most congested airports in the NY State.

They really don't need to make HPN into a major commercial airport.

Stewart Airport is the only airport in the area capable of being a 4th major airport.

PJ


User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2673 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7192 times:

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 7):
They really don't need to make HPN into a major commercial airport.

I'm sure the folks in Westchester County and the adjacent Connecticut county (can't remember the name of county) would never let that happen anyway. IIRC, they hate the airport as it is!!



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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7160 times:

What a mess.....It would make sense to keep at least two flights from PIT-HPN for people connecting to the west (HPN-PIT-LAX). Who wants to go to PHL or CLT? Does anyone know if the PIT-HPN loads were bad?

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 5):
PIT still has over 200+ flights a day, not bad for a large station.

This is the PIT Route Network as of Sept. 21, 2006:

PIT-ABE (4 daily Express)
PIT-ALB (4 Ex.)
PIT-ART (3 Ex.)
PIT-AVP (3 Ex.)
PIT-BDL (5 Ex.)
PIT-BFD (1 Ex.)
PIT-BNA (2 Ex.)
PIT-BOS (2 Ex.) (3 ML)
PIT-BUF (4 Ex.)
PIT-BWI (5 Ex.)
PIT-CLT (6 ML)
PIT-CMH (4 Ex.)
PIT-CRW (3 Ex.)
PIT-DCA (6 Ex.) (1 ML)
PIT-DEN (1 ML)
PIT-DUJ (4 Ex.)
PIT-ERI (4 Ex.)
PIT-EWR (4 Ex.)
PIT-FKL (2 Ex.)
PIT-FLL (2 ML)
PIT-HGR (3 Ex.)

PIT-HPN (4 Ex.)

PIT-IAD (4 Ex.)
PIT-IND (4 Ex.)
PIT-JHW (2 Ex.)
PIT-JST (4 Ex.)
PIT-LAS (2 ML)
PIT-LAX (2 ML)
PIT-LGA (2 Ex.) (4 ML)
PIT-LNS (3 Ex.)
PIT-LWB (1 Ex.)
PIT-MCO (3 ML)
PIT-MDT (4 Ex.)
PIT-MYR (2 Sat. only flights) (1 E70 and 1 B734)
PIT-ORD (2 Ex.) (2 ML)
PIT-ORF (2 Ex.)
PIT-PBI (1 ML)
PIT-PHL (4 Ex.) (7 ML)
PIT-PHX (2 ML)
PIT-PVD (4 Ex.)
PIT-RDU (Ex.)
PIT-RIC (4 Ex.)
PIT-ROC (3 Ex.)
PIT-RSW (1 ML)
PIT-SDF (2 Ex.)
PIT-SFO (2 ML)
PIT-STL (4 Ex.)
PIT-SYR (4 Ex.)
PIT-TPA (2 ML)

International:

PIT-YYZ (4 Ex.)

This adds up to 169 daily flights. (41 ML and 129 Ex.)

I don't think PIT can afford to lose anymore flights.....



Pittsburgh International: US Airways---160 daily departures! (52 destinations)
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9239 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7041 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 5):
PIT still has over 200+ flights a day, not bad for a large station.



Quoting CentPIT (Reply 9):
This adds up to 169 daily flights. (41 ML and 129 Ex.)

I don't think PIT can afford to lose anymore flights.....

Yeah... I WISH that there were 200+ flights daily out of PIT on US... 129 express flights, very lame. 41 mainline flights... ULTRA LAME... I don't care what anyone says; I still think and hope that PIT could one day have at least one more airline set up a focus city there... kinda like BOS...



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6835 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 9):
This adds up to 169 daily flights. (41 ML and 129 Ex.)

That's a seasonal reduction. September-November is the lowest-yielding time of the year.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6825 times:

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 7):
Stewart Airport is the only airport in the area capable of being a 4th major airport.

Also TTN, it's closer than SWF to Manhattan (although not by much) it's located right off I-95 exactly halfway between NYC and Philly in affluent densly populated Central Jersey, and it's a mile or two from Bucks and Montgomery Counties PA which are two of PA's most affluent counties. It's also surrounded by large corporate campuses and headquarters of companies like Bristol Myers Squib, Johnson and Johnson, Dow Jones, Merril Lynch.

The Port Authority is studying ABE, SWF and TTN as a possible fourth airport to invest in, IMO TTN is prefereable because it's better situated, closer to Manhattan and there's an existing rail line running right through the Airport that already has SEPTA service to Center City Philadelphia and eventually NJ Transit service to Newark, Hoboken, NY Penn.



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User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2128 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6806 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 9):
What a mess.....It would make sense to keep at least two flights from PIT-HPN for people connecting to the west (HPN-PIT-LAX). Who wants to go to PHL or CLT? Does anyone know if the PIT-HPN loads were bad

Better connection options in CLT, as you pointed out yourself. Nothing concrete but anecdotal evidence from some FAs I know said loads were usually pretty light.


User currently offlineEric777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6711 times:

Quoting Nkops (Reply 8):
I'm sure the folks in Westchester County and the adjacent Connecticut county (can't remember the name of county) would never let that happen anyway. IIRC, they hate the airport as it is!!

That would be Fairfield County, CT. They may not like the airport being in their backyards, yet they all probably fly out of there. Of course there's a lot of cars with NY plates in the garage. But there's nearly as many cars with CT plates that have graced the garage as well - including mine.


User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6512 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 11):
That's a seasonal reduction. September-November is the lowest-yielding time of the year.

NO, you are wrong, I have been following the daily flights for over a year now, the highest has never been over 180. The reduction is not huge. The only routes losing frequencies are the following:

PIT-SAN (1 to 0)
PIT-SEA (1 to 0)
PIT-MIA (1 to 0)
PIT-CUN (1 weekly to 0)
PIT-SJU (1 weekly to 0)

The total number of daily departures at PIT has been between 164 and 178 for about one year. I am not going off of the US fact sheets, I actually go through the flights once a week!



Pittsburgh International: US Airways---160 daily departures! (52 destinations)
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9239 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6440 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 15):
The total number of daily departures at PIT has been between 164 and 178 for about one year. I am not going off of the US fact sheets, I actually go through the flights once a week!

It would be nice to see this number go to 175-190... but it probably won't. I am optimistic anyway about some of the flights anyway! Here's to our optimism man!!  champagne 



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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6338 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 16):
It would be nice to see this number go to 175-190... but it probably won't. I am optimistic anyway about some of the flights anyway! Here's to our optimism man!!

I am ready to welcome any increase, big or small! US is shaping Pittsburgh to be profitable for them. I sure hope US doesn't just cut routes claiming they are unprofitable.



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User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2128 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6336 times:

I'll be on HPN-PIT a couple times next month, I'll let you know what the loads are like.

User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6320 times:

Quoting Silentbob (Reply 18):
I'll be on HPN-PIT a couple times next month, I'll let you know what the loads are like.

Ok, I am by no means doubting the fact that PIT-HPN may not have good loads/is unprofitable, but I just hope other routes aren't pulled for no reason. Just when I think the cuts are over for PIT, US cuts another route!



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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6319 times:

I'm really suprised this change didn't occur much sooner.


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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6302 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 15):
I have been following the daily flights for over a year now, the highest has never been over 180.

It's been a while for me. 180+ is still not bad for a large station. I do expect PIT to get back DFW, MSP, MKE, IAH, and MCI eventually, once the E190s arrive.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9239 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6223 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 21):
It's been a while for me. 180+ is still not bad for a large station. I do expect PIT to get back DFW, MSP, MKE, IAH, and MCI eventually, once the E190s arrive.

Do you suppose some of those could be brought back with the E70? DFW, MKE, what about DTW?



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User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6213 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 17):
I sure hope US doesn't just cut routes claiming they are unprofitable.

Well it is not just about whether the route is profitable but whether that aircraft could be MORE profitable on another route.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9239 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6210 times:

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 23):
I sure hope US doesn't just cut routes claiming they are unprofitable.

Well it is not just about whether the route is profitable but whether that aircraft could be MORE profitable on another route.

As has been stated before, routes will be added and taken away here and there... MAYBE some of those lost PIT routes will be brought back if/when more demand/appropriate aircraft are made available. I am sure that some service will return as I have been saying.



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25 Silentbob : A couple days ago someone mentioned 25 flights a day out of PIT for the E190s. I don't know how much of that is new or replacing existing aircraft.
26 FCYTravis : MKE doesn't even get E70s from PHL, so if anything from PIT it would be CRJs.
27 Vega : Not likely. The E190s will be used between PHL and Providence, Hartford, Houston and Dallas/FW. Maybe the 2nd batch of 190s will see some PIT service
28 CentPIT : I agree with you here........ Right....but if the route is profitable at all, I would consider splitting the HPN slots between PIT nad CLT. I would h
29 Silentbob : I had little faith in that particular source, but I wanted to say something positive about PIT for once. Some will fly through there, there's no doub
30 CentPIT : Right, I agree. PIT and CLT are almost guaranteed to see a few.
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